TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Deliorman]

But why is the top round and not pointy? I don’t like it…

 

[Yasar_TR]

But why is the top round and not pointy? I don’t like it…

Flat-nosed, or "blunt," missile nose cones are designed to manage extreme aerodynamic heating by creating a detached bow shock wave, which pushes the hottest gases away from the missile's surface.

Blunt Body Aerodynamics: By using a blunt (flat) nose instead of a sharp point, the shock wave formed is stronger and detached from the body, leaving a cooler "cushion" of air between the shock wave and the missile body, thus lowering the peak heat load.

Especially useful when using seeker headslike IIR that are susceptible to heat.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Cenk is also the only one of our ballistic missiles with a MARV

 

[Pokemonte13]

in the first few seconds you can see an akinci with SIGINT antenna.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

What is the range of the SOM J? Given that other cruise missiles in the same class as the TAURUS, Joint Strike Missile (JSM) and the SCALP EG/Storm Shadow have a range of at least 500+ km.

 

[Oublious]

What is the range of the SOM J? Given that other cruise missiles in the same class as the TAURUS, Joint Strike Missile (JSM) and the SCALP EG/Storm Shadow have a range of at least 500+ km.

The range depends on the flight profile, if it goes fly low then they will never go 500km. I think they a misguiding with this, SOM missile have 250km+ range.

 

[Pokemonte13]

What is the range of the SOM J? Given that other cruise missiles in the same class as the TAURUS, Joint Strike Missile (JSM) and the SCALP EG/Storm Shadow have a range of at least 500+ km.

Firstly som j and JSM are not in the same class as Taurus and scalp. Som j and JSM both weigh less than 600kg and Taurus an Scalp weigh more than a ton they also are faster and are better against mobile targets.

 

[AlperTunga]

The range depends on the flight profile, if it goes fly low then they will never go 500km. I think they a misguiding with this, SOM missile have 250km+ range.

if they use KTJ-3700 which is almost ready for Atmaca land version, it can reach up to 400km. KTJ-3700 is almost the same size as the currently used KTJ-3200, so I'd be surprised if they dont go this way. SOM-J should rather have 500km range to be a strategic weapon.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

As far as is known, the SOM family is currently being further developed to achieve greater ranges – presumably using the KTJ-3700 engine or a specially optimised variant as the SOM M cruise missile, which is designed to fit into the TAI KAAN’s internal weapons bay.

SOM M

In parallel, it is likely that the SOM-J is being specifically developed to offer a flexible, cross-platform stand-off solution, including for export. Whilst it was originally designed for internal integration into the F-35, its design also makes it suitable for other carrier platforms such as the F-16, Hürjet and Eurofighter, as well as modern unmanned systems such as the Bayraktar Kızılelma, TAI Anka-3 and Bayraktar Akinci.

 

[MonteCarlo]

What is the range of the SOM J? Given that other cruise missiles in the same class as the TAURUS, Joint Strike Missile (JSM) and the SCALP EG/Storm Shadow have a range of at least 500+ km.

Storm shadow and Som has the same purpose but are not really in the same class. Storm shadow weighs 1300kg whereas som J is merely 530kg. Of course I would want Som to reach those ranges but I don't know how feasible it is with this much of a weight difference

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Ongoing serial production of L-OMTAS, which was presented during SAHA EXPO 2024.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2036020069151502593

Do we have a mobile/portable version of this?

 

[AlperTunga]

Storm shadow and Som has the same purpose but are not really in the same class. Storm shadow weighs 1300kg whereas som J is merely 530kg. Of course I would want Som to reach those ranges but I don't know how feasible it is with this much of a weight difference

Storm Shadow cannot be carried in the internal bay of the fighter jet. A radar like ERIS will detect the plane from a long distance. Even the missile itself is easier to detect than SOM-J, which is small, stealth, but still powerful enough. The idea is to carry it with a stealth drone like Anka-3 and fire it from about 300km, which is the range it is being improved. SOM-J is not to be underestimated. It is a sleek, smooth ”operator“.

 

[Trakya_forever]

Old variants of Som 's (with French engine) max. range was over 300 km for hi hi lo. It has a gliding range nearly 90 km when dropped 40k feet. French engines have a limit for 17 minutes. It was a big problem. According to rumours with Ktj 3200 new range is about 500 km.

 

[Huelague]

ATMACA has now a range of 400 km.

 

[Pokemonte13]

ATMACA has now a range of 400 km.

Navy Atmaca with ktj 3200 or Kara Atmaca?
Also speculation or real info?

 

[Huelague]

Navy Atmaca with ktj 3200 or Kara Atmaca?
Also speculation or real info?

Every thing I told is real

 

[Pokemonte13]

Every thing I told is real

We Already knew that the range of Kara Atmaca is even above 400km for some time. I thought you mean Normal Atmaca.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

The ATMACA still has a range of 250+ km; it may even reach 270+ km.

In fact, a range of 300+ km is essential in order to launch these cruise missiles as Navy Version from Ships and Submarines near Northern Cyprus at specific targets in the Middle East (ports, bases and ships on Coasts) on country XY.

 

[Yasar_TR]

If you check Roketsan’s site, Sea-Atmaca has a range of 250km and the Kara-Atmaca has a range of 280km.
There are no “more than“ or “+” signs that go with it.

Roketsan - KARA ATMACA Surface-To-Surface Cruise Missile

www.roketsan.com.tr

Roketsan - ATMACA Anti-Ship Missile

www.roketsan.com.tr

So these are official ranges given by the manufacturer. Yet there are news channels that claim ranges in excess of these official figures. Unless an official gives an official figure, these are the ranges to go by.
It has to be remembered that these missiles are exportable weapons. Roketsan has to quote figures that are in line with MTCR legislation.

However @TurDef has written an article naming SSB President Haluk Gorgun regarding Kara-Atmaca-UM where in a test, 400+ km range has been achieved. This is done via an altered flight profile. It flew higher and had an outer shell with less drag characteristics, making it more fuel efficient.
KTJ3700 is supposed to be more fuel efficient too. It is not clear if this was used at the recent tests but it should give even better range figures if it weren’t. If it were, then it may have contributed to the longer range.

Roketsan’s Atmaca UM Cruise Missile Breaks New Range Record | TURDEF

ROKETSAN announced that the Atmaca UM land attack cruise missile based on the Atmaca anti-ship missile had broken a new range and flight duration record.

turdef.com

In view of this article one can deduct that KTJ3200 will be available for export units. But Turkish missiles will have KTJ3700 engines fitted. As it has the same dimensions of the previuos engine, but performs better, we may see all new SOM series and Atmaca missiles with this engine fitted.

 

[SCAR]

Every thing I told is real

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