TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Ahlatshah]

They should not export this one even strategic partners.

I am usually leaning on to the exporting side, but this missile is something else. I agree with you but just one exception:

Pakistan. We tried to get rid of enemies from our land, they sent money. We got pilot shortage, they sent pilots. Someone threaten us with nukes, they provide nuclear coverage. When we got alone, they support us internationally.

To sum up they sent actual help in every times of need. They have earned to get anything from us that they can afford

 

[Afif]

I usually leaning on to the exporting side, but this missile is something else. I agree with you but just one exception:

Pakistan. We tried to get rid of enemies from our land, they sent money. We got pilot shortage, they sent pilots. Someone treating us with nuke, they provide nuclear coverage. When we got alone, they support us internationally.

To sum up they sent actual help in every times of need. They have earned to get anything from us that they can afford

Well, Pakistanis have their own ballistic AShM in testing.

If Turkiye is going to export KAAN to friendly countries, Tayfun series does not appear to be more sensitive than this. But Turkish MoD and SSB knows better.

 

[TheInsider]

Coastal surveillance radars, MPAs, AWACS and UAVs will pass the exact coordinates of the target ship for the missile launch. A missile will be launched towards the given coordinates. There might or might not be midcourse updates. Based on the missile’s diameter(610mm, for comparison diameter of Amraam is 178mm), I believe an RF seeker head that fits inside this missile could detect and lock onto a frigate-sized object at a range of around 100 km at worst. It is a 100+ meter target and the missile is looking at it from angles of 70+ degrees. It will light up on the RF seeker like the full moon. The seeker can scan a big area(for example 10kmX10km square) extremely fast. No matter how fast a ship is, it can't get out of that box. Once seeker locked onto the target ship, it is an automatic process. The guidance computer will calculate PIP maybe 10 or 100 times per second. A missile flying close to Mach 5 will have approximately 60 seconds to scan, lock onto target, make the necessary course corrections and hit the target. As for the small boat in today’s test, the missile’s seeker likely detected and lock onto it at a range far shorter than 100km which would give the missile a very small time window but since the target was drifting the missile seeker was searching a very small area around the given target coordinate. Still it made very precise corrections to hit the small target bullseye. Extremely impressive. Without those corrections there is no way to hit a tiny target bullseye albeit it is a drifting target without its own propulsion.

I don’t think the missile’s impact speed on the target is above Mach 5. I'm guessing the lower limit is Mach 4, and the upper limit is Mach 5 barely hypersonic. It is %100 certain that the missile travelled at hypersonic speeds during its mid-course phase. The speculated range is 800km so i guess missile might have seen maximum speeds around Mach 8 in the midcourse. I don't think this missile will have problems hitting a frigate moving at 25+ knots. Such a frigate will travel less than 5km between missile launch and impact. It should be possible even without midcourse updates.

 

[Zafer]

I usually leaning on to the exporting side, but this missile is something else. I agree with you but just one exception:

Pakistan. We tried to get rid of enemies from our land, they sent money. We got pilot shortage, they sent pilots. Someone treating us with nuke, they provide nuclear coverage. When we got alone, they support us internationally.

To sum up they sent actual help in every times of need. They have earned to get anything from us that they can afford

China China, China China. China has its own technology but they might get their hands on ours too, if ours is better then they will improve theirs. Pakistan is developing their own and their only opponent is just nextdoor, so they will be fine with their own.

 

[Bogeyman]

China China, China China. China has its own technology but they might get their hands on ours too, if ours is better then they will improve theirs. Pakistan is developing their own and their only opponent is just nextdoor, so they will be fine with their own.

China has been developing these types of missiles for decades. They have developed HGVs with a range of 2500 km and have added them to their inventory in four-digit numbers. They don't need us.

 

[Zafer]

China has been developing these types of missiles for decades. They have developed HGVs with a range of 2500 km and have added them to their inventory in four-digit numbers. They don't need us.

We have no idea what capability those missiles have other than the range and numbers.

 

[Pokemonte13]

We have no idea what capability those missiles have other than the range and numbers.

True but overall the chinese have invested more time and money than we have. They also have more human capital who can work on these projects

 

[Zafer]

True but overall the chinese have invested more time and money than we have. They also have more human capital who can work on these projects

Not to compare but comes to mind that other countries have more people and time on subjects but couldn't make a success on simpler things. I guess China should have nailed on such missiles because they also put money on development but I will still not be sure which technology is superior.

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2073694957538328788

They either mixed some footage or there was another test as well

 

[TheInsider]

Ongoing and possible supersonic and hypersonic missile projects.
Air-to-Air
Gökhan/ER (liquid fuel Ramjet, Mach 3- 4.5)
Gökbora (solid fuel Ramjet, Mach 3- 4)
Gökdoğan/ER (solid fuel rocket, Mach 4)
Bozdoğan (solid fuel rocket, Mach 4)

Air to Ground
IHA-230 (solid fuel rocket, supersonic)
IHA-300 ER (solid fuel rocket, supersonic)
IHA-500+ (possible hypersonic aeroballistic missile similar to Israel's ROCKs)
Akbaba HARM (solid fuel ramjet, Mach 2.5-4, Air-to-air secondary capability)

Cruise Missiles
Supersonic Anti-Ship Cruise missile (liquid fuel ramjet, Mach 2.5-4)
Supersonic Cruise Missile (liquid fuel ramjet, Mach 2.5-4)
Air-launched supersonic cruise missile (liquid fuel ramjet, possible project)

Ballistic Missiles
Bora/Khan (solid fuel rocket, supersonic)
Tayfun Block 2 (solid fuel rocket, supersonic)
Tayfun Block 3 (solid fuel rocket, hypersonic)
Tayfun Block 4 (solid fuel rocket, hypersonic)
Cenk(solid fuel rocket, hypersonic)
Yıldırımhan (liquid fuel rocket, hypersonic/possible high hypersonic-mach 10+ capability )
Timur (solid fuel rocket, hypersonic/possible high hypersonic-mach 10+ capability )

Most of our high-speed missile projects target mid-supersonic to transitional/low/barely hypersonic speeds. There is a reason for that. At those speeds, you don't need to deal with a lot of headaches related to the hypersonic speed regime. Those weapons are not exotic weapons they are accurate, easier to produce cheap enough to be deployed in numbers but they are still a lot more effective compared to subsonic or low supersonic weapons. As the technology matures i expect hypersonic cruise missiles(scramjet), hypersonic gliding vehicles to appear in the next decade.

 

[Huelague]

Gezgin?

 

[Ripley]

Meanwhile, let’s not forget that Turkey is a signatory state to Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and International Code of Conduct against Ballistic Missile Proliferation AKA Hague Code of Conduct (HCOC).
Turkey has voluntarily signed these treaties and is bound by their regulatory limitations.

 

[Sanchez]

Gezgin?

Gezgin is subsonic.

 

[Yasar_TR]

This is interesting ;

Take an engineer’s protractor and enlarge the picture so that the missile is ~70mm and the width is ~6mm (that corresponds to ~7m length and ~60cm diameter.)
Then that boat becomes nearly 12 m. Considering the fact that we are looking at it from slightly behind and at an angle, it is in reality longer than 12 metres.

Although they keep sharing news pieces that the missile hit a “moving” target when clearly it wasn’t moving and that the boat targeted was 7m long ; there is clearly some misinformation here probably being fed to the public intentionally.

We have not been fed with the whole picture here. I can’t imagine the head of Roketsan or SSB giving wrong information. But a moving target means a moving target. (Not a free bobbing boat in the mid seas)

This is how you hit moving targets:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarplanePorn/comments/1j7u2i7
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2.619 Aufrufe · 56 Reaktionen | 🇹🇷 Bayraktar AKINCI strikes moving target with TOLUN-IIR Turkey’s Bayraktar AKINCI has successfully hit a moving target with pinpoint accuracy using the TOLUN-IIR, marking a major milestone in precision-strike capabil

🇹🇷 Bayraktar AKINCI strikes moving target with TOLUN-IIR Turkey’s Bayraktar AKINCI has successfully hit a moving target with pinpoint accuracy using the TOLUN-IIR, marking a major milestone in...

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It is not as if we can’t do it; Or we haven’t done it. But we haven’t been shown it.

 

[Zafer]

It is a fishing boat which is usually 12 meter or longer which corresponds to 40ft, there is no 7 meter fishing boat looking like this one with double decks.

 

[TheInsider]

There are a lot of sources thay says the target is 7meters long. Image is not clear and perspective can deceive eyes.

NATO'da Bir İlk: TAYFUN BLOK 3 Gemiyi Vurdu | SavunmaSanayiST

ROKETSAN'ın TAYFUN BLOK-3 Balistik Füzesi, Karadeniz'deki testte seyir halindeki deniz hedefini ilk atışta tam isabetle vurdu.

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TAYFUN BLOK-3 hareketli deniz hedefini tam isabetle vurdu

Türkiye'nin milli imkanlarla geliştirilen balistik füzesi TAYFUN'un BLOK-3 versiyonu, dünyada sayılı örneği bulunan bir başarıya imza atarak denizdeki hareketli ve insansız hedefi cerrahi hassasiyetle imha etti.

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Savunma sanayiinde yeni eşik: TAYFUN BLOK-3'ten tarihi atış - CNN TÜRK En Son Haberler | Video

Son Dakika Türkiye Gündem Haberleri - ROKETSAN tarafından geliştirilen TAYFUN BLOK-3 balistik füzesinin canlı harp başlıklı test atışı başarıyla gerçekleştir...

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ROKETSAN üretimi füze, hareketli su üstü hedefini başarıyla imha etti

ROKETSAN tarafından milli imkanlarla geliştirilen TAYFUN BLOK-3 füzesinin test atışı başarıyla gerçekleştirildi. Canlı harp başlığı kullanılan testte, hareket halindeki su üstü hedefi arayıcı başlıkla kilitlenerek imha edildi

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TAYFUN Blok 3'ten bir ilk: Hareketli hedef vuruldu

ROKETSAN tarafından geliştirilen TAYFUN Block 3 balistik füzesi, yeni test atışında hareketli gemi hedefini vurdu!

www.defenceturk.net

 

[Bogeyman]

Afaik this is the only official information which mentions Tayfun Block 3 has a seeker head. There is no official information about the size of the target. The target probably drifted during missile launch and impact. If this was the first test, it makes sense the target wasn't actively moving, just testing the seeker head first.
By stating "moving target" they probably want to emphasise Block 3 is an ASBM.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2073401900788039991

During the test, a free-floating unmanned surface vessel/ship, identified as an enemy element, was engaged with a missile reaching hypersonic speeds. Using a live warhead, the target was locked onto with the seeker head and successfully destroyed. This test marked the first time a ballistic missile has targeted a free-floating unmanned surface vessel/ship at sea with complete success.

This was certainly not the first test, as a real warhead was used. The use of real warheads in missile testing is usually done after the project has reached a certain level of maturity.

 

[Zafer]

One deck's height is about 6 ft, 183+ cm accomodating 95% of height of people, calculate from there.

 

[TheInsider]

Correct. It was certainly not the first test. IMHO, this was the last test of the prototype qualification. After this deliveries will start and a random serial production missile will be tested among the first delivered products. This is called an acceptance test.

 

[Bogeyman]

Correct. It was certainly not the first test. IMHO, this was the last test of the prototype qualification. After this deliveries will start and a random serial production missile will be tested among the first delivered products. This is called an acceptance test.

I can't wait to hear the news that it's been added to the inventory.