TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Philip the Arab]

There's a reason these are all concepts. There are even simpler guerrilla solutions such as double Rpg carrying Decoy, but on the field, slippered friends clash with pick up. You really don't need that much product.

Against real opponents though it would be useful, I'm surprised the Iranians haven't gone with a Kornet based concept for Hezb, and Hamas.

RPG decoy doesn't work for future modifications, but a missile with the RCS of a .50 bmg is very promising.

 

[TheInsider]

@TheInsider @Cabatli_53 @RadarGudumluMuhimmat
Would this concept work against APS if UMTAS could be redesigned?

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It depends on the APS system. APS systems use different kinds of radars/RF sensors which means different RCS values. This missile has to be optimized for the RF band of the APS system. For example, F-35 is stealth against X band but not VHF band. I expect all subsystems on the tanks like APS, acoustic fire locater, laser warning system, electro-optic targeting system, and 360-degree surveillance systems to be integrated together in the future as an integrated tank defense system, so it might be a little tricky to fool it if that happens.

 

[Anmdt]

@TheInsider @Cabatli_53 @RadarGudumluMuhimmat
Would this concept work against APS if UMTAS could be redesigned?

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6 KM range sounds a bit odd too, what is point of launching a short-range stealth munition (which i doubt the claim of small as a bullet) from an awkwardly non-stealth platform with a huge; radar, IR and acoustic signature?
Moreover claim for RCS looks a bit "odd" with those wings. This question comes to my mind:
-at which band, (X, Ka- Ku -MMW)
-at which angle-azimuth,
-at which kind of sensor (just radar or with irst)
-at which condition (wings on and off, or without wings),

However it looks great for UAV integration with those wings and streamlined profile, or with a propeller/ TJ attached rear as a loitering munition hard to be detected. At worst i would attach a booster to raise it high as possible and then let it glide down and hunt targets.
I would rather use this to penetrate well protected air defenses of units on the move, instead of trying to penetrate APS of individual tanks; once AAs are out, then let simple cheap munitions bombard them from above.

 

[Test7]

@ANIL ŞAHİN

132. fleet prepares for SOM-J

 

[dustdevil]

I think you misunderstood me, I was describing methods to find targets if a certain type of method fails. If weather is bad we can use low flying missiles or spotter drones for target detection. TB2 type UAV, by altitude and SAL method is more vulnerable to weather. And weather is important.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399359200128602115

Not trying to say “I was right”, but an example of bad weather affecting the operations. Don’t know if it’s just for extra safety or the weather is really bad.

CBs, the thunderstorm clouds are usually formed by sun energy input and usually effective in summer or they can be formed by weather fronts. The low deck of clouds or low visibility is another potential problem that may affect EO sensors on UAVs and may happen on different days.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399784738697715712

 

[Khagan1923]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1399784738697715712

Exactly what I was waiting for.

Indigenous Dual-Rack and Triple-Rack.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Exactly what I was waiting for.

Indigenous Dual-Rack and Triple-Rack.

ASELSAN'dan Minyatür Bomba'ya yeni salanlar

ASELSAN, Minyatür Bomba'nın yeni salanlarını ilk kez ANADOLU ANKASI - 2021 Tatbikatı'nda sergiledi. Minyatür Bomba'ya, ikili ve üçlü salan seçenekleri geliyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Bogeyman]

TUBITAK SAGE announced the start of mass production for the SARB-83 (1000 lb class), a sequential penetrating aircraft bomb. For the Sert-82(500 lb class bunker drill), the R & D process continues.

As part of the Kuzgun modular munitions family, anti-personnel, bunker-piercing versions will be produced. The future of the Anti-radiation version has not been finalized. The project is expected to mature in 2022.

The TOGAN 81 mm smart mortar ammunition, which is also expected to be used in Songar SIHA, is about to enter mass production.

Türkiye İHA mühimmatlarını çeşitlendiriyor

Türk savunma sanayisinin ihtiyaçları için 60'a yakın proje yürüten TÜBİTAK SAGE, farklı tipteki insansız hava araçlarıyla kullanılmak üzere geliştirdiği Bozok ve Togan'ı seri üretime hazır hale getirdi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Bogeyman]

New test footage of the bozdogan short-range air-to-air missile has been released.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1400373781571514368

 

[Fuzuli NL]

As part of the Raven modular munitions family, anti-personnel, bunker-piercing versions will be produced. The future of the Anti-radiation version has not been finalized. The project is expected to mature in 2022.

Raven = Kuzgun

 

[Oublious]

Final boss has spoken.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401231625728495620

 

[Test7]

Final boss has spoken.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1401231625728495620

I guess he is talking about an e-shop selling sage's mockups

 

[Zafer]

I guess he is talking about an e-shop selling sage's mockups

How big is the defense aficionado community, yet to be found out.

 

[Test7]

How big is the defense aficionado community, yet to be found out.

Curiosity is increasing day by day..This is more than a passion,some kind of disease. Sept. 28,2009. We are still watching its flight with the same love in the 2021..

 

[dustdevil]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1402291075029647363

What is LGMF? (Edit: Turkish letters for LGMM, laser guided miniature missile)

LASER GUIDED MINIATURE MISSILE – Roketsan

Was it there before? Sorry if it is known....(edit: Yatağan, thought it was something else for a moment....)

Yatağan Lazer Güdümlü Mini Füze

Yatağan Lazer Güdümlü Mini Füze Sistemi; yeni jenerasyon portatif 40mm bombaatarlar kullanılarak da ateşlenebilmekte ve diğer mühimmatların maksimum menzillerine kıyasla

www.defenceturk.net

 

[Spook]

First controlled flight tests of Atmaca happened in 2016. In parallel with designing of the missile and its maturity as an product, guided tests increased and with unarmed prototypes missile tests carried in order.

In 19 September 2019 and 3 November 2019, different features and attacks concepts/profiles were tested. While first tests were land-based, first sea test of Atmaca was completed 3 November 2019.
For target, orange object with radar reflector was used.

In 1 July 2020, 25 September 2020 and 18 December 2020 total 3 tests happened. Atmaca succeeding in all tests, passed the first qualification tests.

In 1 July 2020 tests, Atmaca hit its target from 220km with sea skimming flight mode and pop-up maneuver. In an another test Atmaca switched to a new target using datalink during flight. (No info if KEMENT was used)

In 29 August 2020, Atmaca was tests were planned between 30 August and 5 September. TCG Işın was planned to be used as target. Tests were delayed.

In September 25 tests, Atmaca was successfully tested under EW attack. Atmaca's GPS was turned off and with limited navigation systems it successfully hit its target using its own INS.

During ITU Savtek 2021, SSB said that engine family between 3kN-5kN will be developed using KTJ-3200 as a foundation.

KTJ-3200 can't directly replace TR40. Atmaca and SOM needs some modifications to use it. 80 SOM is planned in the first phase, with a total of 415 SOM missiles. First delivery of KTJ-3200 is planned 2021.

Atmaca said to resist 12+G
Atmaca's cost is less than $500,000

Atmaca Phase 2 (Block 2) will earn 533mm torpido launch capability. It said that along with Ku-Band Active RF Seeker, IIR Seeker will be added. Cooled MWIR sensor is rumored.

More at (I can't translate all)

ATMACA Milli Gemisavar Güdümlü Mermi Atışları Başarıyla İcra Edildi

İbrahim SÜNNETCİ Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanlığının yeni nesil satıhtan satha gemisavar güdümlü mermi ihtiyacının milli imkanlar ile karşılanması maksadıyla 8 Mayıs 2009’da başlatılan ATMACA Satıhtan Satha Güdümlü Mermi Projesinde 2021 yılında gerçekleştirileceği açıklanan teslimat öncesi TCG Kına

tr.linkedin.com

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1404827008996106245

Serial production ktj3200

 

[Tornadoss]

First controlled flight tests of Atmaca happened in 2016. In parallel with designing of the missile and its maturity as an product, guided tests increased and with unarmed prototypes missile tests carried in order.

In 19 September 2019 and 3 November 2019, different features and attacks concepts/profiles were tested. While first tests were land-based, first sea test of Atmaca was completed 3 November 2019.
For target, orange object with radar reflector was used.

In 1 July 2020, 25 September 2020 and 18 December 2020 total 3 tests happened. Atmaca succeeding in all tests, passed the first qualification tests.

In 1 July 2020 tests, Atmaca hit its target from 220km with sea skimming flight mode and pop-up maneuver. In an another test Atmaca switched to a new target using datalink during flight. (No info if KEMENT was used)

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In 29 August 2020, Atmaca was tests were planned between 30 August and 5 September. TCG Işın was planned to be used as target. Tests were delayed.

In September 25 tests, Atmaca was successfully tested under EW attack. Atmaca's GPS was turned off and with limited navigation systems it successfully hit its target using its own INS.

During ITU Savtek 2021, SSB said that engine family between 3kN-5kN will be developed using KTJ-3200 as a foundation.

KTJ-3200 can't directly replace TR40. Atmaca and SOM needs some modifications to use it. 80 SOM is planned in the first phase, with a total of 415 SOM missiles. First delivery of KTJ-3200 is planned 2021.

Atmaca said to resist 12+G
Atmaca's cost is less than $500,000

Atmaca Phase 2 (Block 2) will earn 533mm torpido launch capability. It said that along with Ku-Band Active RF Seeker, IIR Seeker will be added. Cooled MWIR sensor is rumored.

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More at (I can't translate all)

ATMACA Milli Gemisavar Güdümlü Mermi Atışları Başarıyla İcra Edildi

İbrahim SÜNNETCİ Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri Komutanlığının yeni nesil satıhtan satha gemisavar güdümlü mermi ihtiyacının milli imkanlar ile karşılanması maksadıyla 8 Mayıs 2009’da başlatılan ATMACA Satıhtan Satha Güdümlü Mermi Projesinde 2021 yılında gerçekleştirileceği açıklanan teslimat öncesi TCG Kına

tr.linkedin.com

So for ktj-3200 does that mean we don't have yet a local engine to for serial production of SOM and Atmaca?

 

[Yasar_TR]

According to this, Atmaca will have taken 11 years to join the inventory.
The ktj3200 engine program first started in 2011. So that will have taken 10years.

Qualification Tests of KTJ-3200 Engine Still Ongoing

www.defenceturkey.com

These high tech machinery pieces take time to develop and become part of the defence forces’ equipment. Today hundreds of high tech pieces are being developed for the Turkish armed forces. Most of them are in development stage. When a piece of high tech equipment takes this long, it has to be accepted as normal as they have to go through certain steps before they can be accepted; Such as development, classification, acceptance tests etc. It is only normal that sometimes the technology applied, has to be changed in line with updates it requires, during the life of the development stage. This too adds to the delay.
I only hope that MDAS system and the engines for TFX and Hurjet are realised quicker than the two above examples!