Montreux and Ataturk declaration from 103 retired Turkish admirals

[Saithan]

People gang up and become gangs becoming criminals.
A person can speak for himself, a gang is a security matter.

Tarikats aka sects are also gangs, but we don’t see AKP and RTE do anything but praise them and let them grow and even have TSK ppl join them

 

[Zafer]

Look at the counter argument “hidden” master. Such a sad statement in itself.

The ret. Adm. Have the right to express their concern. RTE and AKP is running the country like their own backyard.

I think they should go for elections then we’ll seewhat happens. But no they’ll postpone it until forced to, unless they come up with a fake coup to prevent elections.

Are you living in this world, thinking they are persons without associations that support them to be who they are.

 

[CAN_TR]

People gang up and become gangs becoming criminals.
A person can speak for himself, a gang is a security matter.

Stop polluting the THREAD, thanks.

 

[Zafer]

Look at the counter argument “hidden” master. Such a sad statement in itself.

The ret. Adm. Have the right to express their concern. RTE and AKP is running the country like their own backyard.

I think they should go for elections then we’ll seewhat happens. But no they’ll postpone it until forced to, unless they come up with a fake coup to prevent elections.

Are you living in this world,

Tarikats aka sects are also gangs, but we don’t see AKP and RTE do anything but praise them and let them grow and even have TSK ppl join them

Sects are a bunch of people minding their religious matters and some trade between them, they are not parallel states.

 

[Saithan]

Are you living in this world,

Sects are a bunch of people minding their religious matters and some trade between them, they are not parallel states.

Hizmet, Nurcu, hizbullah etc. You could say the same about them.

Anyone member of an organization religious or not is in same category. I know.

 

[CAN_TR]

Hizmet, Nurcu, hizbullah etc. You could say the same about them.

The most notable one is for sure FETÖ, but they tend to forget this.

 

[Saithan]

The most notable one is for sure FETÖ, but they tend to forget this.

I kinda didn’t mention them on purpose since they’d gloss over it by saying FETO is terrorist organization. My point was that government picks which organization and groups they want to work together with in their regime. While in a democracy like Denmark you’d be forced to work with several political parties because you don’t have absolute majority.

FETO and AKP worked together do not forget that! And many FETOcu is still active because they have switched to RTE side! Proper clean up is needed and that is done by remove all sect members.

 

[mulj]

In a democratic country where everything works decently. Ppl can voice their opinions without being picked up by the police. Would you at least agree on that ? SB is supposedly a democracy after all.

And normally you’d have hearings where public (the people) can challenge politicians decisions and such. Just read up on Denmark if you fail to understand the proces.

None of that exist in Turkey because it’s been turned into a authoritarian regime.

i agree in principal, this is not ordinary matter, on the contrary, highest strategic issue of Turkey as nation and state, so slightly different rules should be followed in expressing "opinions".

 

[mulj]

NO, the Goverment overstepped it and acted long enough against the countries interests.

LOL, they talk about Law, Rights, Democracy but took 10+ retired Admiral (now civilians) in custody this morning only because they've send a letter that should be a warning. ONE question did you actually read the first post?

i read it very well and my conclusion is clear, admirals mindset is still colonized by foreign powers and disregarding completely turkish national interests and those are full control and management of Bosforus straits.

 

[Anmdt]

People gang up and become gangs becoming criminals.
A person can speak for himself, a gang is a security matter.

since when non-affiliated people gathering together and publishing a declaration has been considered as an organized crime?
Do these people has any power to do coup, to damage anything?
They have expressed their deep concern on a matter which is about to happen, by coming together and sharing a single declaration which is done before in Turkey for several other things and it wasn't considered as a crime. This is the only and sole proof of, Erdogan is considering to retreat from Montreux in a way which would actually cause loss of privileges, for sake of being able to build a canal, and in background letting USN in Black Sea.

Cem Gürdeniz is detained as well, so if it is turn of real patriots to be detained and we know what is the situation in Turkey right now, i only remember past times when FETO-AKP did Ergenekon, it is repeating and i can't stop thinking whether FETO is still influencing AKP in return of promising some votes.


In fact we know how many gangs out there doing actual mafia stuff, killing -threatening people, selling drugs and remain untouched.

 

[Kartal1]

Are you living in this world,

Sects are a bunch of people minding their religious matters and some trade between them, they are not parallel states.

Don't be so brave with these statements so you not to be deceived. Our memory is long.

 

[Kartal1]

I am waiting for the mosque attack plans and the buried weapons any moment...

 

[uzaysan]

The real coup is made by akp and its still ongoing. Letting tarikats to enter TSK, Discussion of cancelling independence agreements of Turkey, Screwing economy, Stealing money etc..

 

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[Turko]

My opinion: https://defencehub.live/threads/turkish-politics.194/page-28#post-65979

As you guys know, I don't give a hoot about your precious political feelings and, personally, I'm against the Canal Istanbul project. It's neither the right time nor the right investment or the right political environment to commence a project of such dimensions.

But having said that, our "beloved" admirals are pretty much talking BS all the way.

The Montreux Convention

- was not a full-blown victory for Turkey
- has not given Turkey back its full sovereignty over the straits
- has nothing to do with Turkey's neutral stance during the WW II (at most it was just one element of many others which led to Ankara's non-participation)
- is favouring the status quo which is in Russia's best interest, not Turkey's
- is limiting our value as a member of the NATO amongst our Western allies

So, yeah, our admirals are talking like second-class politicians who are afraid of losing their perks.

If Russia is annexing Crimea and breaking international treaties, so should we in order to protect our interests and values.

This is a perfect example of Betonkemalism. This treaty is historically connected to the era of Atatürk, thus, it's holy in our land. Don't you dare criticizing it!

He did what he had to do and his actions made him a great leader but I don't live in 1923 anymore. Like I said before, I'm against the Kanal Istanbul but I won't defend a wrong mentality. It has turned out that in modern times, the Montreux Convention is an invisible shackle on our foot and we need to get rid of it.

The timing and the wording of this declaration is only helping AKP and Erdogan. Whenever I'm thinking that this time Erdogan is heading out of the office, something idiotic like this pops out creating new questions marks.

- was not a full-blown victory for Turkey
- has not given Turkey back its full sovereignty over the straits
-Betonkemalism

Have you ever heard about Treaty of Sevres?
You should read more about it.

Treaty of Sèvres - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

İf you feel current government is strong enough and Montreux is absolute and outdated , let's change it. İnstead of jailing own naval officers , Don't waste time and change it.

 

[Stimpy75]

ok my msj was deleted and one from another member, np from my side, like i said i normally avoid political threads, as it is the reason i left PDF, but i hope these rules are used objectively

have a nice day

 

[Sinan]

1-) These are not Admirals but Ex-Admirals. They are basically civilian, they are not military personel.
2-) A similar decleration made by Ex-Ambassadors a few weak ago, there were not a outcry at that time.
3-) Most of these Ex-Admirals was jailed by Gülenists at the time.

Let's not forget these facts.

 

[Turko]

Soon you'll have to jail all retired navy officers. Reactions are growing.

"Sea Lions", who were educated at the Naval Academy, also published a statement

After 103 retired admirals, "Sea Lions", who studied at Naval High School and Naval Academy between 1976-1984, published a statement.

According to reports in the Republic, in the statement, "The Republic and Merit Republic of Turkey in aiming into (TCA) expressed are and removal of Ataturk relief and publicly to various sects and community activities and dared to participate in the official uniforms Armed Forces personnel of the images are also worrying developments" expressions were used.

 

[Kartal1]

 

[Sinan]

96 ex-Deputies made a similar declearation.
https://www.haberler.com/104-emekli-amiralin-montro-bildirisinin-yankilari-14043157-haberi/