TR Naval Programs

[dBSPL]

TCG Istanbul is much more than a warship. I know it is cliche to write about it all the time, but it is a real breakthrough. Our valuable members in the forum have written dozens of things about the reasons for this, maybe hundreds of pages could be written, but this importance cannot be fully underlined. Let's take a look at the mini-clip prepared by STM about the TCG Istanbul localization rate, which is a summary of all these and which everyone will realize this importance when they watch it:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748679929862959384

For the Turkish defense industry, at least for the naval forces, the embargo is no longer an obstacle. On the contrary, it is producing an exponential strengthening of the naval forces.

 

[dBSPL]

Akya mass production project:

Range: +50km
Minimum speed: +45 knots
Targets: submarines and surface ships
Guidance type : Active / Passive , Rudderwater
Guidance mode: Internal guidance / External guidance via fiberoptic cable
Warhead: Insensitive warhead with underwater shock effect
Drive system: Brushless direct current electric motor + counter-rotating propeller
Battery type: High energy chemical battery

* System deliveries started in 2021.

photo:twitter.com/SavunmaSanayiST/status/1748640589216694550

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748638846365896999

Naval weapon systems for which mass production has begun:

- ATMACA Anti-Ship Missile: 220+ km range and will be used by land, air, sea and submarine platforms.

- AKYA Heavyweight Torpedo: 50+ kilometer range and will be used by submarine platforms in the first phase.

- SAPAN Missile: HİSAR-D RF Air Defense Missile to be launched from the National Vertical Launcher System. In the first stage, it will be used on the TCG ISTANBUL Frigate, which was added to the inventory yesterday.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

TCG Istanbul is much more than a warship. I know it is cliche to write about it all the time, but it is a real breakthrough. Our valuable members in the forum have written dozens of things about the reasons for this, maybe hundreds of pages could be written, but this importance cannot be fully underlined. Let's take a look at the mini-clip prepared by STM about the TCG Istanbul localization rate, which is a summary of all these and which everyone will realize this importance when they watch it:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748679929862959384

For the Turkish defense industry, at least for the naval forces, the embargo is no longer an obstacle. On the contrary, it is producing an exponential strengthening of the naval forces.

ASELSAN is such a valuable asset in our defence industry. Without it, none of this is even imaginable.

 

[Strong AI]

Minimum speed: +45 knots

Looks like they confused "Azami" with "Asgari" on that slide.

45+ knots is the maximum achievable speed

 

[Sanchez]

Or they just wanted to say "45+" and leave it at that.

 

[Anmdt]

Looks like they confused "Azami" with "Asgari" on that slide.

Possibly not confused but they have misplaced a term. Maximum speed is often given as 'lower bound of maximum speed'. It is how it is used in requirements, so it may also go as fast as 50 knots depending on the conditions but in any possible condition it is not less than 45, therefore 'minimum'.

Get used to notation used by people who calls any guided missiles as 'gudumlu mermi : guided bullet'

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1748822975963361396

This is why you need "navalization".

 

[Huelague]

So far as i understand for the projects granted by SSB the breakdown of tasks are as follows (that i may have mentioned earlier in somewhere).

Sefine & Aselsan for the EW and ASuW USV,
Ares & Meteksan for ASW,
Yonca & Havelsan for MCM.

Dearsan is the lone manufacturer benefiting from Aselsan's technological gains in the SSB project.

It is important to note that this information pertains only to Phase-I, and there will be more phases to follow.

Any information about hull design of TF-2000? Can we expect one hull design a la 'Zumwaldt' class?

 

[B_A]

Any information about hull design of TF-2000? Can we expect one hull design a la 'Zumwaldt' class?

I dont think it will be hull design a la 'Zumwaldt' class.

Much likely an UK Type 45 destroyer or Sejong the Great-class destroyer design.

 

[dBSPL]

Any information about hull design of TF-2000? Can we expect one hull design a la 'Zumwaldt' class?

No, please. There's nothing uglier in the world that floats on the sea. Also, as far as I know, the practical advantages of this hull shape are still debatable.

If there is to be a new approach for the navy with the TF-2000, my wish would be a propulsion system with the acoustic signature of the ship reduced as much as possible. The use of the IEP system in naval ships is now quite mature, this system allows for a less noisy cruising as well as the advantage of reduction in fuel burn, and so more range.

 

[Afif]

No, please. There's nothing uglier in the world that floats on the sea. Also, as far as I know, the practical advantages of this hull shape are still debatable.

I disagree, Zumwalt is a ship ahead of its time.

 

[dBSPL]

I disagree, Zumwalt is a ship ahead of its time.

Maybe or not, but whole mess of problems and uncontrollable costs, and ultimately the death of the program. It did not even come close to the impact of the Ticonderoga class. Until DDX arrives, the US Navy will continue to want more Arleigh Burke-class on the slipway. I think the biggest benefit of Zumwalt is that they have provided a very serious experience in the propulsion system that they will use in the next generation destroyers.

 

[Anmdt]

Any information about hull design of TF-2000? Can we expect one hull design a la 'Zumwaldt' class?

Le this, not expecting much variation from this concept.

Add a proper NG EW (Only ESM is shown, that will be improved version of ARES-2NV3, better to call ARES-3) suite,
Add a SIGINT/ELINT antenna in midst (improving what briefly has shown)
Add a properly positioned COM jammer
Doubting but they may add RAM-like missile at Yalman RCWS positions
Add UMTAS - GM 2 / Cirit
They are talking of IEP-like system, the hull is spacious that transition won't be troublesome, but TN is currently holding a distance for electric propulsion in combatants.

 

[Afif]

@Anmdt How quite is it compared to...let's say, type-26?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

8 (OPV) + 4 (I-Class) + 2 (LST) + 4 (MCMW) + 1 (TTHB)

This is my breakdown that i can fit to 19 (details below).

4 NG MCMW vessel to repace 5 Engin Class, prototype of TTAB, 2 LST as presumed as "options" from earlier times. to replace 2 Bey Class.

Iran style? DIMDEG will carry USV's and VTOL UAVs anyway.

• 4x Istif
• 4x Hisar OPV
• 1x TT Assault Boat
• 8x LCT
• 1x Mine Hunter
• 1x Military Tug

 

[uçuyorum]

Yeah I had a feeling it might not be 8 Hisar after all, at least right now.

 

[Anmdt]

• 4x Istif
• 4x Hisar OPV
• 1x TT Assault Boat
• 8x LCT
• 1x Mine Hunter
• 1x Military Tug

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I hope the Tug is an ocean-going one that TN has demanded years ago.

 

[Heartbang]

• 4x Istif
• 4x Hisar OPV
• 1x TT Assault Boat
• 8x LCT
• 1x Mine Hunter
• 1x Military Tug

View attachment 64941

8 landing crafts?
Fucking hell, are we going to invade Greece?

 

[TheInsider]

Looks like they confused "Azami" with "Asgari" on that slide.

No confusion it can travel 50km at 45knots. It can go faster if you sacrifice range for speed.
Anyway, IMHO number one improvement should be replacing chemical batteries(Zinc+Silver oxide) with lithium-ion batteries and it should be planned and done as soon as possible.

 

[Anmdt]

8 landing crafts?
Fucking hell, are we going to invade Greece?

Replacement of Ç130 to Ç150 that is another aged platform. I think continuation of the LCT (Ç151 + ) . We may expect an evolved version with UAV integration. Impatient to see what they are going to come up with, a lot has changed since LCT80 was introduced to the service.

@Anmdt How quite is it compared to...let's say, type-26?

Type 45 (or more of what is to replace this), Horizon Class of French & Italian Navies (or more of what to replace this), Type 55 of PLAN (plus more sensors and better self protection suite).