TR Naval Programs

[Saithan]

All the while TCG is not doing anything….

 

[Anmdt]

I recognize when i see National FAC (former TTHB). Although this was an old design.

ARDA - CENK-300N, X band radar - 180 km range.

 

[Pilatino]

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I recognize when i see National FAC (former TTHB). Although this was an old design.

ARDA - CENK-300N, X band radar - 180 km range.

Isn't it a little bit insufficient?

 

[TheInsider]

Isn't it a little bit insufficient?

The given range is against fighter-sized targets (~1m^2)

 

[Pilatino]

The given range is against fighter-sized targets (~1m^2)

I wish I had known the competitors' data's to compare.

 

[UkroTurk]

@Anmdt

This article is accurate?

They are saying

Cenk-100N

Cenk-200N( mar-d)

Cenk-300
Cenk-400

Türkiye's Aselsan unveils advanced radar systems for naval platforms - Türkiye Today

Aselsan introduces next-gen radar systems for naval platforms, enhancing Türkiye's defense capabilities

www.turkiyetoday.com

 

[Sanchez]

This article is accurate?

Türkiye's Aselsan unveils advanced radar systems for naval platforms - Türkiye Today

Aselsan introduces next-gen radar systems for naval platforms, enhancing Türkiye's defense capabilities

www.turkiyetoday.com

It quotes the most recent Aselsan magazine but the photo they used is wrong.

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/aselsan_dergi_120_092024.pdf

MAR-D is now Cenk-200N

Arda is Cenk-300N

Cenk is Cenk-400N

All search radars are now called Cenk, fire control radars are Akrep.

 

[Sanchez]

TCG HIZIRREİS Submarine met with the water

And here's the first known photo of the second Reis class boat Hızırreis in a test cruise.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1836416413554090379

 

[Brave Janissary]

It quotes the most recent Aselsan magazine but the photo they used is wrong.

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/aselsan_dergi_120_092024.pdf

MAR-D is now Cenk-200N

Arda is Cenk-300N

Cenk is Cenk-400N

All search radars are now called Cenk, fire control radars are Akrep.

That symbology needs a another caracter for refer to band of radars.

 

[Sanchez]

Finally a new infographic on TF-2000. Details I haven't seen before include, "kamikaze USV, mini UAV launchers, swarm uav" integration, as well as a landing pad for a single 15ton helicopter(so will be able to accommodate T925) and hangar space 2 Seahawk and 2 helicopter UAVs. Start of construction is real soon now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1837107077837103559

 

[Khagan1923]

Finally a new infographic on TF-2000. Details I haven't seen before include, "kamikaze USV, mini UAV launchers, swarm uav" integration, as well as a landing pad for a single 15ton helicopter(so will be able to accommodate T925) and hangar space 2 Seahawk and 2 helicopter UAVs. Start of construction is real soon now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1837107077837103559

Hisar-D, Siper Block 1D and Sapan.

First of all do we know what Sapan now officially even is?
Secondly Block 1D for Siper. What are Block 1A-1C then?

Better look at those 64 Cells in the middle.

@Anmdt also interestingly what ever they had in the last imagine in the middle besides the VLS cells seems to be missing now?

Also looks like first steel cut will happen soon. Though that means nothing as the first cut for TCG Istanbul was done in 2017 and then nothing happened for a while until subsystems were actually ready.

 

[Anmdt]

Hisar-D, Siper Block 1D and Sapan.

First of all do we know what Sapan now officially even is?
Secondly Block 1D for Siper. What are Block 1A-1C then?

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Better look at those 64 Cells in the middle.

@Anmdt also interestingly what ever they had in the last imagine in the middle besides the VLS cells seems to be missing now?

Also looks like first steel cut will happen soon. Though that means nothing as the first cut for TCG Istanbul was done in 2017 and then nothing happened for a while until subsystems were actually ready.

I think Sapan is Siper Block-2 and Block-2ER (or Block-3)

Block-1D refers to "Deniz", it is Siper B1 adapted to ship based systems.

More interestingly;

TF-2000 will have kamikaze USV (and possibly other USVs for ASW / Patrol etc) and these USVs will likely have a dedicated space,a hangar.

pneumatic UAV launcher and swarm drone (quadcopters etc.) launchers are also noteworthy. Might be used against anti-symmetric threats.

 

[dBSPL]

Finally a new infographic on TF-2000. Details I haven't seen before include, "kamikaze USV, mini UAV launchers, swarm uav" integration, as well as a landing pad for a single 15ton helicopter(so will be able to accommodate T925) and hangar space 2 Seahawk and 2 helicopter UAVs. Start of construction is real soon now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1837107077837103559

I wonder if Gürbağ's GSPT-U type launchers will be integrated into naval platforms? As we know, with the hydro-launcher, they have recently created a family of products qualified up to 200kg mtow uavs/loitering systems.

 

[Sanchez]

these USVs will likely have a dedicated space,a hangar

But, under the helipad or to the sides? An aft launcher could be interesting to deploy USVs(along boats for SAT insertion of course). But is there ample space for a hangar to keep at least 3 boats there?

 

[dBSPL]

Considering the current I-class frigate production program and the estimated launch dates of the 5th-6th-7th ships, and if we take into account the acceleration in the naval construction programs: I think it will not be impossible for the navy to reach a fully indigenously designed main combatant fleet consisting of 8-10 OPV/MMV + 4 ASW corvettes (perhaps some retrofit work on ADA class), 7-8 multi-role frigates and 7-8 destroyers, by 2033. This, of course, does not include missile boats under 1000 tons or other combatant elements. If we can maintain this pace, the advantages provided by the civilian shipyards in parallel production will enable the Turkish navy to complete its national naval-industrial development to a great extent by the 2030s, when it will begin to expand quantitatively.

 

[Khagan1923]

Considering the current I-class frigate production program and the estimated launch dates of the 5th-6th-7th ships, and if we take into account the acceleration in the naval construction programs: I think it will not be impossible for the navy to reach a fully indigenously designed main combatant fleet consisting of 8-10 OPV/MMV + 4 ASW corvettes (perhaps some retrofit work on ADA class), 7-8 multi-role frigates and 7-8 destroyers, by 2033. This, of course, does not include missile boats under 1000 tons or other combatant elements. If we can maintain this pace, the advantages provided by the civilian shipyards in parallel production will enable the Turkish navy to complete its national naval-industrial development to a great extent by the 2030s, when it will begin to expand quantitatively.

I would be very suprised to see 7-8 TF2000 enter service in under 10 years. Especially combined with other projects of the Navy ongoing (AC+OPV+TTHB+MILDEN) I think budget wise it is impossible. I would be satisfied with having 3 ships in service by that date honestly and 2-3 more under contract.

 

[Sanchez]

I would be very suprised to see 7-8 TF2000 enter service in under 10 years. Especially combined with other projects of the Navy ongoing (AC+OPV+TTHB+MILDEN) I think budget wise it is impossible. I would be satisfied with having 3 ships in service by that date honestly and 2-3 more under contract.

As 4+4 number is being touted for the last few months, I expect that around the time Istifs are completed first TF-2000 will have been completed by the military shipyard and design will be given to private shipyards just like with Istif, where we'll see simultaneous building of hulls. Actual issue might be the subsystem and missile construction still.

 

[Khagan1923]

As 4+4 number is being touted for the last few months, I expect that around the time Istifs are completed first TF-2000 will have been completed by the military shipyard and design will be given to private shipyards just like with Istif, where we'll see simultaneous building of hulls. Actual issue might be the subsystem and missile construction still.

Good point no one talks about. What is the rate of production on these missiles? They will be shared with the ( yes naval version will have modifications) Land Forces and Air Force. Building multiple ships with 96 VLS cells and then not being able to actually equip all those cells would be emberassing to say the least.

 

[TheInsider]

First TF-2000 will be ready in 5 years so 2029/2030. Siper block 2/3 capability will be added when those systems are ready.

 

[dBSPL]

I would be very suprised to see 7-8 TF2000 enter service in under 10 years. Especially combined with other projects of the Navy ongoing (AC+OPV+TTHB+MILDEN) I think budget wise it is impossible. I would be satisfied with having 3 ships in service by that date honestly and 2-3 more under contract.

Üstad, really I don't know if the share of the naval forces in the defense budget will increase, but the total amount allocated to construction activities will continue to increase at very significant rates. My forecast is that the dramatic increases in the overall budget will continue. Of the three main topics that make up this forecast, the first one is regional and national risk factors, the other one is that the delayed procurement planning will start back-to-back as the efforts that have been going on for more than 20 years finally start to materialize, and my forecasts for the macro-economic structure in 2025-2035.

As a concrete example, I think one of the most important indicators is the focus on the launch of aircraft carrier construction activities between 2025 and 2027. By the time this platform is in active service - let's assume 2034-35 - the Turkish navy should have a fleet structure capable of carrying an aircraft carrier. The other issue is the overseas basing strategies and the navy's doctrines of relevance, which are becoming more and more evident. As you know, it was recently decided to send another frigate to Somalia. When the strategic rapprochement and logistical cooperation with Iraq is evaluated within the framework of cooperation with Qatar, there is another sea area from Basra to the Oman Sea where the Turkish navy's effectiveness will definitely increase. the issue is not limited to these, in fact, there are some plans that go as far as ASEAN zone, but there will be too much speculative discussions yet. In short, the work underway today is not in today's conditions, but in the years that are planned to be in service... Even now, frigates going to Somalia are a significant burden for the Turkish navy.

As a matter of fact, while 3 frigates are in the slipway and a new construction decision has just been taken for 3 frigates, there is an extraordinary effort to start the construction of the first destroyer in 2024. From this point of view, I am of the opinion that, just like the I class, after the production of the first ship in Pendik, parallel production of the Air Defense Destroyers will be initiated in parallel while the sea tests are still in progress. Private shipyards may very well deliver the first ships to the navy in 36 months and the secondary ships in 48-60 months. Maybe the final date for the example above will be 2035 and not 2033, but I don't doubt it, because regional conditions indicate that a regional risk is imminent and the acceleration in naval programs confirms that this risk is taken seriously.

By the way, while I was writing in many places around 2017 that the same shipyards would build a total of 8 I-classes with parallel production in 2 batch and justifying this with the statements of the then naval forces and and naval shipyards commanders of that time and some other developments, many of our friends were producing counter-arguments such as only 4 I-classes would be produced, then TF-2000 and finally TF-100. Because that was what was accepted in the forums. I would like to share this as an anecdote also...