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And here's the first known photo of the second Reis class boat Hızırreis in a test cruise.


TCG HIZIRREİS, the second submarine of the Reis Class Submarine Project built within the scope of the Air Independent Propulsion System Submarine Project, performed its first cruise on September 17, 2024, and its first dive on September 18, 2024. We wish the TCG HIZIRREİS submarine safe cruises and successful missions in the operations it will carry out.

 

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But, under the helipad or to the sides? An aft launcher could be interesting to deploy USVs(along boats for SAT insertion of course). But is there ample space for a hangar to keep at least 3 boats there?
It should be possible to store more than 3 at the 'hangar' below the helipad but i am more doubting for a winch to transfer these boats. Since this ramp/space can be used for companion USVs as well, they will need a proper ceiling winch attached to the helipad.

The ship will also need C-ESM / ECCM payloads.
 
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"For the TF-2000 HSH[Hava Savunma Harbi/Air Defence Warfare/ADW] Destroyer, the multi-surface double chimney (split chimney) concept was preferred for better ventilation, better cooling and to further reduce the thermal signature. We learned that the two rectangular structures located just in front of the stack are ventilation supply (suction) compartments, not areas allocated for additional VLSs."

"The TF-2000 HSH Destroyer will be equipped with National Vertical Launch System (MİDLAS) VLS launchers with a total of 96 cells, 32 cells in the bow and 64 cells in the transom. The decision to use 96 cells has been finalized. Of these launchers, 64 can be configured for SAPAN Guided Missiles (G/M) HİSAR-D (G/M-1) and SİPER Block-ID (G/M-2), while 16 of the 32-cell MİDLAS can be configured for ATMACA Guided Missile and GEZGİN Cruise Missile, or 16 cells can be configured for a total of 64 HİSAR-D RF Block-II G/Ms in Quad-Pack configuration. It is expected to be clarified in time how many of the MIDLAS VLSs, which are expected to be Strike models, will be Quad-Pack capable."

"On the TF-2000 HSH Destroyer, there will be both one ULAQ KAMA Expendable Unmanned Naval Vehicle (Kamikaze UAV), a product of METEKSAN Defence, and a total of 4 SAPAN Mobile Drone System Launchers around the funnel for SAPAN Drones, which are designed for protection purposes and will enter between the ship and the threat anti-ship G/M. It is planned to create a shield around the ship when the anti-ship G/M threat is detected with these small drones called SAPAN, which will destroy the threat with physical contact. 30-40 SAPAN Drones (Rotary Wing Swarm UAVs) will be launched from 4 separate launchers, and these drones will fly around the ship, creating a protection shield. The development of SAPAN Drones, which will destroy the threat with kinetic energy/physical contact, was ongoing at the time."

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This is like the 3rd or 4th Sapan name system for the navy. Sünnetci chimes in: "My guess is that they think of it as part of the SAPAN Ship Integrated Air / Missile Defense System; like SAPAN Drone, SAPAN CIWS, SAPAN HİSAR and SAPAN SİPER Family...."

@Anmdt , for the first quote in regards to extra ventilation system. You think that's just for ventilation needs of the ship and/or to cool the exhaust to help IR signature? If it's just for ventilation, could it have a better, smaller solution? Looks to be taking so much space right in the middle.
 
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ULAQ KAMA Expendable Unmanned Naval Vehicle (Kamikaze UAV)

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An article about ULAQ KAMA, but only in turkish language.

EDIT: Added translated version (Google)

  • Technological Trends
  • Defense Planning Concept
  • Operational Planning Concept
  • Use of ULAQ KAMA in Naval Operations

"• Can be produced quickly, easily, and cheaply
• Has a cruising range of over 200 NM and a high speed of 50+ knots
• The probability of detection is very difficult due to its small radar cross-section and extremely low infrared signature
• Even in a GNSS jamming environment, it can navigate safely in shallow waters, within harbors, and on the open sea, in remote-controlled or AI-supported autonomous/semi-autonomous modes
• Can contribute to reconnaissance and surveillance activities with its onboard sensor payloads
• When it hits its target, it can precisely detonate a 200 kg explosive payload to create a wound near the waterline of the target
• Can independently attack the target in swarm mode with other boats or other Unmanned Surface Vessels (USVs)
• Capable of predicting the target's defensive maneuvers in advance and developing tactics against these maneuvers
• Can perform defensive maneuvers against the enemy's defense fire

• Can be launched into the sea from a coastal area or a vessel as small as a tug
• Can wait unnoticed in the sea at a low speed, taking advantage of the low probability of detection, and when it makes contact with the target, it can independently or in coordination with other boats, execute the most suitable attack maneuver
• Can infiltrate undetected into areas where target elements are hiding/waiting, make distinctions between detected targets in these areas, and attack chosen targets
• If it cannot find a target or when required, it can return to a predetermined area and safely deactivate itself
• Can perform waiting, target selection, attack, and re-attack processes in autonomous, semi-autonomous, or remote-controlled modes, all of which can be controlled by operators (human in the loop or human on the loop)"

"ULAQ KAMA, much smaller than the KARTAL Class attack boats, based on your experience, you anticipate that the detection range by a surface ship cannot be more than 4000 yards (3600 meters) even under the best conditions. Thanks to ULAQ KAMA's high speed, you calculate that it will reach its target in 4 minutes or less by covering this distance. The target has a very short time to defend itself. An enemy aware that you have a weapon like ULAQ KAMA will either not go to sea or will compromise its own concealment by implementing measures such as activating its active sensors to eliminate detection asymmetry. There are also no humans on ULAQ KAMA. So, you will be able to execute surface operations in areas under enemy control without risking your firing platform and your personnel."

"You are curious about ULAQ KAMA's resilience to defensive fires that could be opened by the enemy. You are aware that its small size and maneuverability make it a challenging target to hit, and upon examining its detailed features, you also notice meticulous design ideas such as; the selection of explosive materials on board that won't detonate with bullet hits, additional ballistic protections provided for vital parts of the boat, and the strategy to preserve the boat’s buoyancy by evacuating any water that could have entered as a result of hits, using powerful pumps."

"You can easily predict that ULAQ KAMA's detection will be quite difficult, especially at night and under restricted visibility conditions with radar and even electro-optic systems. This is expected to create a surprise effect on the enemy, especially in regions where distances are shorter compared to open seas, such as coastal waters. Thanks to the ability to use ULAQ KAMA against an enemy benefiting from coastal waters' geography, provided that sufficient intelligence is obtained, you can attack enemy surface elements hiding in places like coves, ports or shelters where guided ammunition cannot be effective, with minimal risk. You believe that an enemy aware of this capability will not be able to use such positions as freely as before.
ULAQ KAMA is also capable of reporting the location of a detected target with high precision. This feature not only makes it a weapon, but also a reconnaissance and surveillance platform and a "target reporting element", allowing it to be used in conjunction with guided ammunition."
 

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The 4 launcher defense system consist of 30-40 mini drones and the surface drones, which can be used for both protection and kamikaze, presumably carrying explosives, demonstrate the Turkish navy's awareness of innovations in ongoing warfares during concept development. Ships of this displacement and firepower have traditionally not been equipped with additional systems at this level against asymmetric threats, but I believe that these systems will be included in standard equipment in the coming period.

One of the other topics to be highlighted in this article is the target of 85% localization rate for the first ship of the class. Although I am not sure, there must be 3 , maximum 4 countries in the world that can build destroyers with this level of localization rate.
 

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İn this picture, I see the answer to a technical question that I have been wondering about for a long time ."Two automatic cannons are at the front of the ship and at a lower level, so it means the turrets will have contact with strong waves and sea water." Then this is not a big problem. Conclusion : 2x 35mm CIWS can also be placed on both sides in front of the ship.
 

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No more Nazar DIRCM on the rear?
Sünnetçi says there are still two, one in the back, but can't see it on this.

Conclusion : 2x 35mm CIWS can also be placed on both sides in front of the ship.
With Levent/Göksur and DIRCM, bow looks to be nicely protected to be honest. If the main gun can act as a semi CIWS as well, bow is the most protected side fo the ship. On the contrary, placing CIWS there, superstructure would block most of the aft looking angles.
 

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@Anmdt , for the first quote in regards to extra ventilation system. You think that's just for ventilation needs of the ship and/or to cool the exhaust to help IR signature? If it's just for ventilation, could it have a better, smaller solution? Looks to be taking so much space right in the middle.
Exhaust cooling systems do not occupy such large spaces on ships typically, but they could be after additional cooling systems to further assure the funnels being cool enough or not standing out and contributing to the ship's IR signature greatly. There are two common ways:


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For eductor the typicaly mixing is 1-1 and they might need additional air supply to cool the tower altogether, plus the "safe and redundant" intakes might require such a space.

The answer to the question; it is only for ventilation (or rather eductor/swi/reductor) systems. But they could be planning additional gears for exhaust IR management, this space has been there since the first iteration.
 

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Sünnetçi says there are still two, one in the back, but can't see it on this.


With Levent/Göksur and DIRCM, bow looks to be nicely protected to be honest. If the main gun can act as a semi CIWS as well, bow is the most protected side fo the ship. On the contrary, placing CIWS there, superstructure would block most of the aft looking angles.
The one on the back seems to be Ahtapot-EO to me, but still not sure.
 

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I think the stabilized guns on the port and starboard side on the hangar aft deck are Aselsan STOP with 25mm cannons. It is a proven system that can operate in a wide variety of modes with high reliability and fully integrated into combat management systems. I don't know at what stage the production of ATOM air burst ammunition in 25mm caliber is at and whether it will be used in naval systems, but it is clear that these auxiliary weapon systems have gained serious importance, especially in the recent period, as surface asymmetric threats have evolved to another point with unmanned systems.

Surely very detailed calculations of all configurations are simulated. However, I can't help but wonder what a system with a much higher rate of fire per minute that can also engage surface kamikaze drones (like all of stabilized guns) would be like. Like MKE's Phalanx-like CIWS project. Probably the maximum firing range would be lower, also the total weight of the turret would be higher, and depending on the layout, can blind spots against guided munitions coming from the port and starboard sides of Gökdeniz which is main close-in defense system in the stern of the ship may create , but on the other hand, it can offer a better asymmetric surface defense and naturally a total close-air defense capability. I am of the opinion that everything that can be used in the self-defense of these ships against unmanned asymmetric threats, both electronically and hardkill, should be put in ship.

Ultimately, all of these weapon systems will be locally produced, not export products. We are moving towards a very privileged position in the world in terms of naval weapon systems. There are only a few navies in the world in this position.
 
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I wonder, will they use STM's or HAVELSAN's Swarm concept?
The drones seem to be Alpagu/Alpagut, the quadcopter was not shown in the render. I managed to count 40 pneumatic launcher for Alpagu/Alpagut, likely can be recharged.

The quadcopter count would have been higher.

I don't see this as a self defence system for guided missiles only, but also an anti-uav / anti-kamikaze system and counter measures. Low cost and mobile / modular self defence block that is customized as per the environmental threats at the port. Alpagu/Alpagut and quadcopter may serve as a good anti - usv / kamikaze/ antisymmetrical threat defence measures. Other kind of drones could be used to defend ship from uav/drone/gliding munitions threats.
 
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The drones seem to be Alpagu/Alpagut, the quadcopter was not shown in the render. I managed to count 40 pneumatic launcher for Alpagu/Alpagut, likely can be recharged.

The quadcopter count would have been higher.

I don't see this as a self defence system for guided missiles only, but also an anti-uav / anti-kamikaze system and counter measures. Low cost and mobile / modular self defence block that is customized as per the environmental threats at the port. Alpagu/Alpagut and quadcopter may serve as a good anti - usv / kamikaze/ antisymmetrical threat defence measures. Other kind of drones could be used to defend ship from uav/drone/gliding munitions threats.
I've been banging this drum for a while now, and I'm happy that navy is going this way as well. Alpagut with its 60 km range and endurance should work great against kamikaze usvs, but I wonder if it can be retrieved safely if the mission is aborted, that would be the cherry on top. It weighs 45 kgs iirc, so those launchers should be easy to reload as well.
 

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96 VLS vertical launch systems
▫️ 64 VLS for Sapan missiles (Hisar-D and Siper Block-1D)
▫️ 16 of the 32 VLS are Atmaca and Gezgin missiles, 16 are Quad Pack Hisar-D RF Block-II (16x4=64 missiles)
▫️ ÇAFRAD AESA radar standard detection range 450 km+, full power target detection range 750 km
▫️ 1 Ares Shipyard-Meteksan Defense production ULAQ KAMA kamikaze unmanned marine vehicle
▫️ 4 Sapan mobile drone launchers with a capacity of 30-40 rotary wing UAVs to form a shield to protect the ship from anti-ship missiles.
▫️ The first TF-2000 HSH Destroyer is aimed to be built at the Istanbul Naval Shipyard Command with a 85% domestic and national production ratio.

Source: Defence Turkey | İbrahim Sünnetçi

 

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Roketsan has stated that they are now confident about quad packability of Hisar missiles.
That is going to pave the way of increasing fire power of our defence equipment.
 

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96 VLS vertical launch systems
▫️ 64 VLS for Sapan missiles (Hisar-D and Siper Block-1D)
▫️ 16 of the 32 VLS are Atmaca and Gezgin missiles, 16 are Quad Pack Hisar-D RF Block-II (16x4=64 missiles)
▫️ ÇAFRAD AESA radar standard detection range 450 km+, full power target detection range 750 km
▫️ 1 Ares Shipyard-Meteksan Defense production ULAQ KAMA kamikaze unmanned marine vehicle
▫️ 4 Sapan mobile drone launchers with a capacity of 30-40 rotary wing UAVs to form a shield to protect the ship from anti-ship missiles.
▫️ The first TF-2000 HSH Destroyer is aimed to be built at the Istanbul Naval Shipyard Command with a 85% domestic and national production ratio.

Source: Defence Turkey | İbrahim Sünnetçi

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GENESIS ADVENT+ Combat Management System and National IFF
AREAS-2NC Electronic Warfare system

NAZAR Laser electronic attack system
21 cell PMDS
100/35mm CIWS
4x Aselsan STOP 25mm RCSG

Integrated Sonar System (BOSS) Suite
Hızır torpedo countermeasure systems and low frequency active towed array sonar
2x torpedo launcher system

Maintenance hangar for 2x 10 ton class helicopters
 

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