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[Sanchez]

Don't want to break your hopes but steel cutting is merely ceremonial, or procedural so it means a little for the actual progress. There is a lot to be done on the design level, and i will begin the hype when the structure starts to take form.

In case of emergency remember first I-class. The steel cutting was too early again for ceremonial purposes and we waited a long time for structure to take a form and even after that, we waited for years for completion of the construction.

Agreed, but the real life construction, as in design mostly leaving the desk and lab test phase to real world starting is something we have been waiting for nearly 2 decades now. Let us have our fun

 

[Anmdt]

But it means the funding is there and such at least, doesn't it? Like it's at least a commitment

The funding has been available for awhile, i see no issues there.

@Anmdt Dear Could you please enlighten us, Will Hisar Class OPVs have Gökdeniz CIWS , Hisar missiles and one cell VLS?

It will have Gökdeniz but Hisar could be for experimental uses. I am certain they will use one of the two ships as a testing platform for brief time to study modularity.

Wasn't a significant part of the delays in TCG Istanbul the problems in system procurement? We couldn't get MK41 from LM for example. And if I'm not wrong, Hisar-D RF firing tests started towards the end of 2022. 76/62 mm naval gun, close-in defense systems... Not just weapon systems but also we could not buy ASIST from Curtiss-Wright, a local equivalent was developed. In fact, I think that due to these embargoes, we have the largest non-US subsystem catalog in NATO for the operation of ship-based aviation. These are the ones reflected in the media, I am sure you were aware of other problems such as these. I wish that MILGEM-I had enabled some of these processes to be overcome earlier in terms of the TF-2000 project.

It wasn't only that, the project had two large gaps and first one was for design part. Specifically canadian embargo was issued later, in which the purchases should have been done already. 7 years and one major design revision after the construction began is unexplainable just via embargoes.

 

[Brave Janissary]

By the way we are talking about using drones for defensively in our destroyers, Why we not use him for aggressively?

İt could be one carrier missile who carry 2-4 drones to target like that ;

Or

Rocket asisted(m-36 kind small ones) six-packed(or quadpacked) in vls kind kamikaze drones ;

just establish hims in 16 vls of tf-2000 16x6= 96 drones or 64 in quadpack condition.

Send them half of them or quarter of them in a target are same time, and see the coordinated swarm kamikaze saturation strike.

Yes we build a capable anti ship missiles like atmaca but saturation drone strike cheap and more effective.

A one small drone can deactive a battleship easily. Just they need to hit bridge or cic or radar mast or vls of enemy ship.

Warships are very open to fires if they small drone can hit ammo, fuel tank or etc. And we talk in about send them many more drones.
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When I'm young watch the stargate series and see the alien drone weapon I was think about its very intresting and high tech.

But in the in nowadays seems humankind start to build of this technology.

 

[uçuyorum]

Well if somebody had done their job and finished the loitering, rocket launched munitions maybe we would have added them

 

[No Name]

Well if somebody had done their job and finished the loitering, rocket launched munitions maybe we would have added them

wait what are you talking about?

 

[uçuyorum]

wait what are you talking about?

Kargı, in response to brave janissary

 

[Anmdt]

TF-100 was never I-Class. But let's pretend it is.

You don't simply build first of the optional hulls (either for TF-2000 or I-Class) in the military shipyard. TF-100 was a whole new design in the past, likely split in two and merged to I-Class and TF-2000 projects. Navy has got a way to get 8 more hulls (+4 TF-2000 and +4 I-Class) In place of the TF-100.

Previous formation has been;
4 I-Class (+4 Optional), 4 TF-2000 (+3 Optional) + 4 TF-100, which transformed to;
8 I+Class (+Options), 8 TF-2000 (+Options).

Also notice NG MCMW and NG MHV are separate projects. Dearsan has secured the deal for one of these, for prototype construction and one another will be conceptualized by another company in cooperation with the Navy DPO.

This was the SSB's plan earlier, each first hull of the new designs are to be built in military shipyards, and follow up orders are to be built by private shipyards. All in all TF-100 was a planned new design and let go in the last year.

The table is mostly valid as of 2024.

 

[Radko]

TF-100 was never I-Class. But let's pretend it is.

You don't simply build first of the optional hulls (either for TF-2000 or I-Class) in the military shipyard. TF-100 was a whole new design in the past, likely split in two and merged to I-Class and TF-2000 projects. Navy has got a way to get 8 more hulls (+4 TF-2000 and +4 I-Class) In place of the TF-100.

Previous formation has been;
4 I-Class (+4 Optional), 4 TF-2000 (+3 Optional) + 4 TF-100, which transformed to;
8 I+Class (+Options), 8 TF-2000 (+Options).

Also notice NG MCMW and NG MHV are separate projects. Dearsan has secured the deal for one of these, for prototype construction and one another will be conceptualized by another company in cooperation with the Navy DPO.

This was the SSB's plan earlier, each first hull of the new designs are to be built in military shipyards, and follow up orders are to be built by private shipyards. All in all TF-100 was a planned new design and let go in the last year.

The table is mostly valid as of 2024.


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Navy with massive planning W again

 

[Saithan]

Well considering how we're sending off our AW frigate to Somalia. It's hard to believe that our government has coordinated this move with TN. As such it's paramount that TCG capabilities are raised to be able to safeguard our interest in Mavi Vatan.

I don't see how our Navy has leeway to send off our combat ships like this

 

[Fairon]

Well considering how we're sending off our AW frigate to Somalia. It's hard to believe that our government has coordinated this move with TN. As such it's paramount that TCG capabilities are raised to be able to safeguard our interest in Mavi Vatan.

I don't see how our Navy has leeway to send off our combat ships like this

I think Navy would want that deployement though even the goverment didn't coordinated with them first. Our Navy wants to extends their reach and this will be a perfect experience for them and because of that I think Navy was in the decision making for this move.

 

[somegoodusername]

I think Navy would want that deployement though even the goverment didn't coordinated with them first. Our Navy wants to extends their reach and this will be a perfect experience for them and because of that I think Navy was in the decision making for this move.

You don't extend your reach when your mainland is in danger. They sent seismic research ship 5000 km away from the East Med to please Greeks and Americans.

 

[uçuyorum]

To be fair the Somalia operation is more likely to hurt Libya operations than mainland defense. Air defense provided by 2x Gabya class is nothing when you consider size of Turkey.

 

[godel44]

You don't extend your reach when your mainland is in danger. They sent seismic research ship 5000 km away from the East Med to please Greeks and Americans.

The news that Turkey will explore oil and gas in Somalian waters has upset certain countries a lot and it is their extensions within Turkey that object, ostensibly due to security concerns which is of course nonsense. Security of the homeland did not rely on those two frigates and natural resources off Somalia are a great financial opportunity for Turkey.

 

[Iskander]

The German government has approved arms exports to Turkey, including 100 RAM anti-aircraft missiles and 28 SeaHake torpedoes for the country's navy, Der Spiegel writes.

The value of the deliveries will be about €336 million. This is the first large-scale arms export to Turkey in many years. Over the past few years, Berlin has been reducing the volume of such deals with Ankara, the publication notes.

Der Spiegel estimated the cost of the missiles and torpedoes at about €256 million. Germany will supply Turkey with materials for the modernization of submarines for another €79 million. The export of engines for Turkish corvettes and frigates for €1.9 million has also been approved, - Azerbaijani website reports Haqqin az.

Германия разрешила экспорт оружия в Турцию

haqqin.az

 

[Anmdt]

The German government has approved arms exports to Turkey, including 100 RAM anti-aircraft missiles and 28 SeaHake torpedoes for the country's navy, Der Spiegel writes.

The value of the deliveries will be about €336 million. This is the first large-scale arms export to Turkey in many years. Over the past few years, Berlin has been reducing the volume of such deals with Ankara, the publication notes.

Der Spiegel estimated the cost of the missiles and torpedoes at about €256 million. Germany will supply Turkey with materials for the modernization of submarines for another €79 million. The export of engines for Turkish corvettes and frigates for €1.9 million has also been approved, - Azerbaijani website reports Haqqin az.

Германия разрешила экспорт оружия в Турцию

haqqin.az

Seems like both US and Germany governments need to approve RAM sales. Germany could have been the obstacle for almost a decade.

$1.9M for the engine spares, man they have been embargoeing spares which they have been providing to Russia and China. Such a NATO ally.

Also, the original source;

Türkei: Ampelregierung genehmigt wieder Waffenexporte

In den vergangenen Jahren reduzierte die Bundesregierung Rüstungsdeals mit der Türkei drastisch. Nach SPIEGEL-Informationen deutet sich nun ein Kurswechsel an. Auf einen Schlag wurden Projekte für mehr als 250 Millionen Euro durchgewunken.

www.spiegel.de

 

[Osman]

@Anmdt, what about mk 48 torpedoes requested by Türkiye? As far as I know something like 50 torpedoes have been demanded but none of them came yet

 

[Anmdt]

@Anmdt, what about mk 48 torpedoes requested by Türkiye? As far as I know something like 50 torpedoes have been demanded but none of them came yet

Torpedo deliveries often take time but i don't know much. The request was submitted-approved in 2014, not sure when it came to effect, and on top of that add 10 years.

 

[Yasar_TR]

The German government has approved arms exports to Turkey, including 100 RAM anti-aircraft missiles and 28 SeaHake torpedoes for the country's navy, Der Spiegel writes.

The whole purpose of Akya torpedo was to replace the ageing DM2A4 (Seahake) torpedoes. So why are we still trying to buy these from Germany?

According to Naval News Akya already proved itself by sinking it’s target in a test firing in December 2023.
After this test with the real warhead, AKYA HWT achieved initial operational capability.
It is confusing that we are still after a foreign weapon that we and most of our adversaries know the details of .

SINKEX: Turkiye's first indigenous heavyweight torpedo AKYA sinks target at live test - Naval News

On Dec. 27, 2023, the Turkish Navy successfully carried out the first live firing test of the AKYA HWT with a real warhead in the East Med.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Sanchez]

The whole purpose of Akya torpedo was to replace the ageing DM2A4 (Seahake) torpedoes. So why are we still trying to buy these from Germany?


According to Naval News Akya already proved itself by sinking it’s target in a test firing in December 2023.
After this test with the real warhead, AKYA HWT achieved initial operational capability.
It is confusing that we are still after a foreign weapon that we and most of our adversaries know the details of .

SINKEX: Turkiye's first indigenous heavyweight torpedo AKYA sinks target at live test - Naval News

On Dec. 27, 2023, the Turkish Navy successfully carried out the first live firing test of the AKYA HWT with a real warhead in the East Med.

www.navalnews.com

"Reis-class submarines, which will be equipped with the DM2A4 heavy torpedo and UGM-84A anti-ship missile in the first phase, will soon be equipped with the Akya heavy torpedo and Atmaca anti-ship missile produced by ROKETSAN, as well as the Gezgin cruise missile."

Reis Sınıfı Denizaltılar

Yeni Tip Denizaltı Projesi (o zamanki adıyla Cerbe Sınıfı Denizaltı Projesi), 22 Haziran 2015 tarihinde yapılan Savunma Sanayi İcra Komitesi

mavivatan.net

Reis Class is not coming with base Akya capability. DM2 is a torpedo we know and use for decades.

 

[Anmdt]

The whole purpose of Akya torpedo was to replace the ageing DM2A4 (Seahake) torpedoes. So why are we still trying to buy these from Germany?

View attachment 71062
According to Naval News Akya already proved itself by sinking it’s target in a test firing in December 2023.
After this test with the real warhead, AKYA HWT achieved initial operational capability.
It is confusing that we are still after a foreign weapon that we and most of our adversaries know the details of .

SINKEX: Turkiye's first indigenous heavyweight torpedo AKYA sinks target at live test - Naval News

On Dec. 27, 2023, the Turkish Navy successfully carried out the first live firing test of the AKYA HWT with a real warhead in the East Med.

www.navalnews.com

I don't think production rates match to the modernization of the munitions and related stocks. It is hard to produce torpedoes en-masse. Even US has rather low production rates for what we call serial production.

"Reis-class submarines, which will be equipped with the DM2A4 heavy torpedo and UGM-84A anti-ship missile in the first phase, will soon be equipped with the Akya heavy torpedo and Atmaca anti-ship missile produced by ROKETSAN, as well as the Gezgin cruise missile."

Reis Sınıfı Denizaltılar

Yeni Tip Denizaltı Projesi (o zamanki adıyla Cerbe Sınıfı Denizaltı Projesi), 22 Haziran 2015 tarihinde yapılan Savunma Sanayi İcra Komitesi

mavivatan.net

Reis Class is not coming with base Akya capability. DM2 is a torpedo we know and use for decades.

+ I also don't think we will be producing 10 AKYA in a year anytime soon.