TR Navy Naval Programs

[TR_123456]

This is what I gathered from what @Yasar_TR abi and @Anmdt wrote



Seems like we’ll have to do with İstif Class until a lighter TF2000 derivative design comes out, IF they decide to do so.

The problem is that we dont have the luxury to send 2 TF-2000's with the battle/strike group,we need a frigate like the Italian Multipurpose Combat Ship Raimondo Montecuccoli.
''If they decide'' is not good enough.

 

[Ripley]

The problem is that we dont have the luxury to send 2 TF-2000's with the battle/strike group,we need a frigate like the Italian Multipurpose Combat Ship Raimondo Montecuccoli.
''If they decide'' is not good enough/

I totally agree with you. An inadequate independent task force is not acceptable.
As a matter of fact, since I became a member here i posted many times regarding, what I call an ‘in-between’, class to fill the gap.

Obviously, there are many issues to be taken care of however until such class turns into a fully committed project, such as workload of ship yards, new design requirements for said class after TN gets familiar with TF2000, political agenda shifts, budgetary constraints 🫤

I can’t see any other choice but go with İstif class for quite a while.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Dont we need the 4/5k ton frigates if we want to become a ''blue water'' navy?
Lets face it ,TF-2000 alone wont cut it.
AC,2 TF-2000,1/2 Milden,1 LSS and then what?
The old OHP's?
How to form a battle group?

Dont we need the 4/5k ton frigates if we want to become a ''blue water'' navy?
Lets face it ,TF-2000 alone wont cut it.
AC,2 TF-2000,1/2 Milden,1 LSS and then what?
The old OHP's?
How to form a battle group?

Here is the Queen Elizabeth-class carrier group;
2+ escorts (Type 45 destroyer and Type 23 frigate); 1+ replenishment; 1+ Astute/Trafalgar-class attack submarine

So our carrier group can be ; 1 A/C , 1 TF2000, 1 ASW frigate (or Ada/I- Class until a more capable one is available ), 1 milden, 1 Dimdeg.

So really we need a very good 5K ton frigate that specialises in ASW.

 

[boredaf]

Here is the Queen Elizabeth-class carrier group;
2+ escorts (Type 45 destroyer and Type 23 frigate); 1+ replenishment; 1+ Astute/Trafalgar-class attack submarine

So our carrier group can be ; 1 A/C , 1 TF2000, 1 ASW frigate (or Ada/I- Class until a more capable one is available ), 1 milden, 1 Dimdeg.

So really we need a very good 5K ton frigate that specialises in ASW.

That looks to me like it is just what Royal Navy sends, however, they either sail with ships from Netherlands or other NATO countries. In fact, UK literally has an agreement about it with Netherlands. It has been a point of contention that Royal Navy couldn't protect its ACs without putting much of its surface ships around them.

We might not have that luxury ourselves, so we have to be able to provide protection closer to US level by ourselves, otherwise we might as well paint a big target on each side of the AC.

 

[Yasar_TR]

That looks to me like it is just what Royal Navy sends, however, they either sail with ships from Netherlands or other NATO countries. In fact, UK literally has an agreement about it with Netherlands. It has been a point of contention that Royal Navy couldn't protect its ACs without putting much of its surface ships around them.

We might not have that luxury ourselves, so we have to be able to provide protection closer to US level by ourselves, otherwise we might as well paint a big target on each side of the AC.

You are correct that there is an agreement between the UK and Dutch navies for the Dutch ships to accompany UK Carrier strike groups in return for the UK to provide A/C strike group cover to the Dutch. This way UK strike group protects Netherlands and by using Dutch ships, releasing UK warships for other duties. Hence saving money and resources.

But below at the bottom is another document published by the Royal Navy site itself, that clearly states that their strike group consists of:
1 x A/C
2 x type 23 class frigates for hunting submarines
1 x type 45 class destroyer for air defence
1 x Astute Class Nuclear powered strike submarine

They also depend on their air wing group like f35s to provide protection. Also with Merlin helicopters and P8 maritime patrol aircraft’s.

This is the bare bones of a strike group.

In the event of war, a carrier group may consist of more ships to project force in abundance. That is why US and Dutch ships are needed to constitute a task force formed around the Carrier.
Take look at the picture below where a task force has been formed for exercises to project force.

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news/2024/october/14/20241014-strike-warrior-begins-as-uk-carrier-strike-group-assembles-in-the-north-sea

 

[Saithan]

You are correct that there is an agreement between the UK and Dutch navies for the Dutch ships to accompany UK Carrier strike groups in return for the UK to provide A/C strike group cover to the Dutch. This way UK strike group protects Netherlands and by using Dutch ships, releasing UK warships for other duties. Hence saving money and resources.

But below at the bottom is another document published by the Royal Navy site itself, that clearly states that their strike group consists of:
1 x A/C
2 x type 23 class frigates for hunting submarines
1 x type 45 class destroyer for air defence
1 x Astute Class Nuclear powered strike submarine

They also depend on their air wing group like f35s to provide protection. Also with Merlin helicopters and P8 maritime patrol aircraft’s.
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This is the bare bones of a strike group.

In the event of war, a carrier group may consist of more ships to project force in abundance. That is why US and Dutch ships are needed to constitute a task force formed around the Carrier.
Take look at the picture below where a task force has been formed for exercises to project force.
View attachment 72691

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news/2024/october/14/20241014-strike-warrior-begins-as-uk-carrier-strike-group-assembles-in-the-north-sea

I'd like to point out that this is before use of drones and ucavs became so widespread. Whilst I don't think anyone will question the bare minimum I think it's important to have contingency of sorts for the new type of threat that has appeared. Like is USV and such

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1868577113688957406

Our Offshore Patrol Ship TCG AKHİSAR completed its first voyage.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

We can see the empty area behind tge mast of hisar class where the Hisar O type missiles can be placed and antiship missiles .

 

[Sanchez]

We can see the empty area behind tge mast of hisar class where the Hisar O type missiles can be placed and antiship missiles .
View attachment 72696

I hadn't noticed that, see Istanbul's light ASM load. Presumably only 8 in a 4x2 configuration instead of 4x4. And judging by the safety circle/rectangle around the gun on Hisar, are we sure if the gun make a full 360 degree traverse when on standby position and not hit the emplacement behind it? Looks like barrel needs to be raised to complete a full traverse.

 

[Sanchez]

Meanwhile, second Istif class frigate TCG İzmir's construction continues. And I believe one of the new LCT's can be seen on the right. Unsure if it's for export or DzKK use.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1868659493032382947

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I hadn't noticed that, see Istanbul's light ASM load. Presumably only 8 in a 4x2 configuration instead of 4x4. And judging by the safety circle/rectangle around the gun on Hisar, are we sure if the gun make a full 360 degree traverse when on standby position and not hit the emplacement behind it? Looks like barrel needs to be raised to complete a full traverse.



View attachment 72697

Yeah they used that space for the back of mast to place the missiles and for small missiles im front of it , In photo u can see that the gun can make a full tranverse but with gun raised perhaps thats is aslo with other warships since u dont want to hit yourself by mistake

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Meanwhile, second Istif class frigate TCG İzmir's construction continues. And I believe one of the new LCT's can be seen on the right. Unsure if it's for export or DzKK use.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1868659493032382947

There were news month ago that Turkish navy wants more LCT and Anti mine warfare ships so i think its for Our Navy

 

[Sanchez]

There were news month ago that Turkish navy wants more LCT and Anti mine warfare ships so i think its for Our Navy

A deal was also signed by Anadolu with an "unnamed African country" to supply to 2 LCTs in 2 years in 2023.

Anadolu Tersanesi, Afrika ülkesiyle ihracat anlaşması imzaladı

Anadolu Tersanesi, 151 Sınıfı LCT ile küreselde dikkat çekiyor. Şimdi Afrika'dan 2 Süratli Çıkarma Gemisi anlaşması imzaladı.

www.defenceturk.net

 

[TheInsider]

Red: 2 4x Atmaca launchers there are 2x pedestals on the ground
Blue: A Possible place for 8x Hisar-O+ launchers.
Green: A possible place for a Yalman multipurpose turret.

 

[Corvus]

STM is cooking again.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1868326354724266283

We're selling ships to one of the most important sailor nations in the world.

Let's have some pastel de nata for celebration

 

[Anmdt]

Dont we need the 4/5k ton frigates if we want to become a ''blue water'' navy?
Lets face it ,TF-2000 alone wont cut it.
AC,2 TF-2000,1/2 Milden,1 LSS and then what?
The old OHP's?
How to form a battle group?

Think of TF-2000 as a three-block program. Currently we are preparing for construction of 4 that will make the middle-tier AAW Destroyer functions. It will have a block with less weapon, sensors and multi-mission capabilities (through a multi-mission bay) version and an enlarged higher block version with more sensors, and better EW capability.

 

[Khagan1923]

TCG Izmit (Third Ship)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869732519442370652

TCG Izmir (Second Ship)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869752725191405851

@Anmdt
With the speed these are being built could we see them being handed over to the Navy for tests next year?

 

[Anmdt]

TCG Izmit (Third Ship)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869732519442370652

TCG Izmir (Second Ship)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869752725191405851

@Anmdt
With the speed these are being built could we see them being handed over to the Navy for tests next year?

The outfitting is the most difficult stage of all. Looking at these pictures, I can't figure out if they have used fitted out blocks like Istanbul Naval Shipyard is capable of. I would say towards the end of the year we can see them fully outfitted and delivered to Navy in H1, and H2 2026 (or more like not commissioned but manned by Navy) and H1 2027 for the third. 6 months off seems plausible to me. Add 6 to 12 months per ship for sea trials and testing. 6 months offset is considered necessary due to logistics and manning the process of equipment installation / outfitting, port acceptance tests and so on.

So approximately:

#Hull	Sails at (Sea Trial)	Commissioned
1st	H1 2026	H1 2027
2nd	H2 2026	H2 2027
3rd	H1 2027	H1 2028
4th	H2 2027	H2 2028
5th	H1 2028	H1 2029
6th	H2 2028	H2 2029
7th	H1 2029	H1 2030

 

[godel44]

This account says that the remaining 7 Istif class ships will have DÜFAS as well as a diver detection sonar and quad packed VLS.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869715598889906684

DÜFAS on 7 ships sounds like music to my ears...

 

[Yasar_TR]

The outfitting is the most difficult stage of all. Looking at these pictures, I can't figure out if they have used fitted out blocks like Istanbul Naval Shipyard is capable of. I would say towards the end of the year we can see them fully outfitted and delivered to Navy in H1, and H2 2026 (or more like not commissioned but manned by Navy) and H1 2027 for the third. 6 months off seems plausible to me. Add 6 to 12 months per ship for sea trials and testing. 6 months offset is considered necessary due to logistics and manning the process of equipment installation / outfitting, port acceptance tests and so on.

So approximately:

#Hull	Sails at (Sea Trial)	Commissioned
1st	H1 2026	H1 2027
2nd	H2 2026	H2 2027
3rd	H1 2027	H1 2028
4th	H2 2027	H2 2028
5th	H1 2028	H1 2029
6th	H2 2028	H2 2029
7th	H1 2029	H1 2030

https://savunmasanayiidergilik.com/tr/HaberDergilik/MiLGEM-6-7-8-firkateynlerin-sac-kesim-toreni-gerceklestirildi

STM - Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan MİLGEM Fırkateynlerinin İnşasını Başlattı

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, MİLGEM projesinin 6-7-8. fırkateynlerinin sac kesim törenini gerçekleştirdi. Haberin detaylarını incelemek için tıklayınız.

www.stm.com.tr

April 2023, all three ships’ steel cutting was done at the same time. It was then stated by RTE that within 36 months all 3 ships would be delivered to the Navy. According to this statement the 1st, 2nd and 3rd ships on your list, all should be delivered to the navy before April 2026. (the attached X message actually states that the first 3 ships will be delivered in 2026. Remaining ship to be delivered in 2027)

I wonder if those pictures are old and dated. And in reality the production is far ahead of what is portrayed in the pictures!