TR Navy Naval Programs

[Anmdt]

https://savunmasanayiidergilik.com/tr/HaberDergilik/MiLGEM-6-7-8-firkateynlerin-sac-kesim-toreni-gerceklestirildi

STM - Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan MİLGEM Fırkateynlerinin İnşasını Başlattı

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, MİLGEM projesinin 6-7-8. fırkateynlerinin sac kesim törenini gerçekleştirdi. Haberin detaylarını incelemek için tıklayınız.

www.stm.com.tr

April 2023, all three ships’ steel cutting was done at the same time. It was then stated by RTE that within 36 months all 3 ships would be delivered to the Navy. According to this statement the 1st, 2nd and 3rd ships on your list, all should be delivered to the navy before April 2026. (the attached X message actually states that the first 3 ships will be delivered in 2026. Remaining ship to be delivered in 2027)

I wonder if those pictures are old and dated. And in reality the production is far ahead of what is portrayed in the pictures!

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Intrinsically i have introduced a year delay and haven't assumed all three ships can be simultaneously outfitted. If all three shipyards are capable of carrying out simultaneous outfitting and organization of logistics and integration of components then the dates are achievable by maximum a year delay. As in, 2027 for first three, 2028-2029H1 for remaining 4 is safely achievable.

We are highly benefiting from utilizing resources of three separate shipyards and STM's expertise in logistics management. But could they manage limited subcontractors on specialized fields, or could they find alternatives to certain ones? Could manufacturers of components catch up with the schedule and so on. Seeing Izmir / Izmit's progress will tell us about the rest, imo. I can't see it yet.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Yunan Bakan ABD’nin LCS teklifine karşı çıktı | SavunmaSanayiST

Yunan Savunma Bakanı Nikos Dendias, Amerika Birleşik Devletleri’nden Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) tedarikine yönelik teklifini reddettiğini açıkladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Unbelievable they really want free ships, the US American is not master of their own country and politics.
The whole system is run by Armenians, Greeks or Jews. If I were the Americans I would make it clear that the United States is not a proxy of country XY just because some of your people live here. That was a big mistake that the majority of the turkish diaspora did not go to America but to Germany which has absolutely no weight.

 

[Nutuk]

Yunan Bakan ABD’nin LCS teklifine karşı çıktı | SavunmaSanayiST

Yunan Savunma Bakanı Nikos Dendias, Amerika Birleşik Devletleri’nden Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) tedarikine yönelik teklifini reddettiğini açıkladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Unbelievable they really want free ships, the US American is not master of their own country and politics.
The whole system is run by Armenians, Greeks or Jews. If I were the Americans I would make it clear that the United States is not a proxy of country XY just because some of your people live here. That was a big mistake that the majority of the turkish diaspora did not go to America but to Germany which has absolutely no weight.

Not quite, these are ships that the navy doesn't want.

It's not that the US gives away active ships. In fact the engine condition is such that even Griks reject them, go figure

 

[boredaf]

Not quite, these are ships that the navy doesn't want.

It's not that the US gives away active ships. In fact the engine condition is such that even Griks reject them, go figure

This wouldn't have been the first time they get something US decided to discard, they got bloody amphibious vehicles that drowned US marines because they were free.

 

[CAN_TR]

• MLU Barbaros-class TCG Orucreis (F245)
• Yavus-class TCG Turgutreis (F241)
• Kemalreis (F247) belongs to the subclass (Salihreis) of the Barbaros-class

For those who didn't knew the Barbaros-class are made of two MEKO 200 TN Track II-A and two Track II-B, the Track II-B are classified as Salihreis.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

• MLU Barbaros-class TCG Orucreis (F245)
• Yavus-class TCG Turgutreis (F241)
• Kemalreis (F247) belongs to the subclass (Salihreis) of the Barbaros-class

For those who didn't knew the Barbaros-class are made of two MEKO 200 TN Track II-A and two Track II-B, the Track II-B are classified as Salihreis.

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What about other MLU of barbaros class ? 5+ years and only 1 ship modernised ?!

 

[Sanchez]

Finally our first look to the new MCMV. I'm seeing a Marlin USV!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871110892290769110

 

[Anmdt]

Finally our first look to the new MCMV. I'm seeing a Marlin USV!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871110892290769110

While i recall another design (MHV) of Dearsan was also going to be ordered with Voith propeller, this one seems to have no Voith but Schötel or Electric Azimuth drives.
Seems like Dearsan has bagged both NG-MCMV and NG-MH

 

[Sanchez]

NG-MH

What's that? We need a new glossary for all these, it's getting harder to catch up...
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We knew for some time Dearsan was awarded the next 4 Hisar Class OPVs, but here's a confirmation from İbrahim Sünnetçi as well.
"DEARSAN was assigned as the Main Contractor in the HİSAR Class ADKG and National Mine Hunting Ship Projects within the framework of the SSİK Decision."

 

[Anmdt]

What's that? We need a new glossary for all these, it's getting harder to catch up...
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We knew for some time Dearsan was awarded the next 4 Hisar Class OPVs, but here's a confirmation from İbrahim Sünnetçi as well.
"DEARSAN was assigned as the Main Contractor in the HİSAR Class ADKG and National Mine Hunting Ship Projects within the framework of the SSİK Decision."

NG-Mine Hunter
Last time i talked with someone from DzKK i heard that both MH and MCMV was alive. Now i am wondering if they restructured the future plans and merged those two into what we see from Dearsan.

OPV is given as 2 and plus 2 options. I hope they will realize remaining 2 options in the following years.

 

[Saithan]

Good news, but those German tech stuff sound omnious. Don't we have our own projects on potential replacements in case we get hit by another embargo ?

 

[boredaf]

I'm seeing a Marlin USV!

It should be Sancar, as it was the one that had mine countermeasure mentioned among its missions on SSB's website; unless something changed since they updated it, of course.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

NG-Mine Hunter
Last time i talked with someone from DzKK i heard that both MH and MCMV was alive. Now i am wondering if they restructured the future plans and merged those two into what we see from Dearsan.

OPV is given as 2 and plus 2 options. I hope they will realize remaining 2 options in the following years.

What's the difference between the two?
Don't they basically have the same purpose?

 

[Sanchez]

It should be Sancar, as it was the one that had mine countermeasure mentioned among its missions on SSB's website; unless something changed since they updated it, of course.

Possible but one shown on the model is the Marlin without the "catamaran addons".

 

[Anmdt]

What's the difference between the two?
Don't they basically have the same purpose?

Technically, yes, they have overlapping purposes, and Mine Hunters are the past, while Countermeasure Ships are the future trend.

In practice, however, hunters tend to be more agile and maneuverable, made of non-magnetic steel, with tighter operational noise levels and special materials, designed to enter mined areas and keep them clean. While countermeasure vessels do the same but are made larger, less agile, classic materials and less complexity, more equipment and often keeps a distance to mined areas and use auxiliaries to reach.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Technically, yes, they have overlapping purposes, and Mine Hunters are the past, while Countermeasure Ships are the future trend.

In practice, however, hunters tend to be more agile and maneuverable, made of non-magnetic steel, with tighter operational noise levels and special materials, designed to enter mined areas and keep them clean. While countermeasure vessels do the same but are made larger, less agile, classic materials and less complexity, more equipment and often keeps a distance to mined areas and use auxiliaries to reach.

Thanks for the clarification, mate!

 

[Isbara]

Finally our first look to the new MCMV. I'm seeing a Marlin USV!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871110892290769110

Aziz Başkan strikes again!!!!

 

[Fuzuli NL]

The first domestic Yaw Damping System, designed and produced by STM with national resources in Turkey, received its product certificate from Türk Loydu, a certification body that is a member of the International Association of Classification Societies (IACS).



Roll Damping System of surface warships; It ensures that the platforms continue their combat missions safely under adverse environmental conditions by absorbing the forces they are exposed to due to external factors such as wind, waves, currents and storms.



The Roll Damping System, which we developed in cooperation with Robotek, accompanies the challenging missions of our national warships.



https://stm.com.tr/tr/medya/haberle...pa-sonumlerim-sistemi-urun-sertifikasini-aldi

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871811303947317594

 

[Sanchez]

Finally our first look to the new MCMV. I'm seeing a Marlin USV!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871110892290769110

Another slide previously unseen showing the mission loadout of the MCMV. Multiple types of UUVs, ability to carry 2 USVs as well as 2 RHIBs.

Also an infographic detailing the weapon loadout for the Hisar Class OPVs, which have some very interesting changes, which does make me curious. First is the MIDLAS VLS placement instead of an actual Hisar/Sapan launcher akin to a ground based launcher. Second is the pedestal launcher behind the main gun. This location was shown as a place to install missile launchers like Yalman in the past to install missiles like Umtas-GM for engagements up to 30kms but on this version it's shown with Roketsan's ASW rocket launcher like on the Tuzla class boats. Very interesting. @Anmdt

 

[Anmdt]

Another slide previously unseen showing the mission loadout of the MCMV. Multiple types of UUVs, ability to carry 2 USVs as well as 2 RHIBs.

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Also an infographic detailing the weapon loadout for the Hisar Class OPVs, which have some very interesting changes, which does make me curious. First is the MIDLAS VLS placement instead of an actual Hisar/Sapan launcher akin to a ground based launcher. Second is the pedestal launcher behind the main gun. This location was shown as a place to install missile launchers like Yalman in the past to install missiles like Umtas-GM for engagements up to 30kms but on this version it's shown with Roketsan's ASW rocket launcher like on the Tuzla class boats. Very interesting. @Anmdt

Two changes from Asfat's design;
Tübitak Yelkovan is replaced by Aselsan ARES-2N/L (also being used on Qatari FACM)
Unirobotics stabilized* gun replaced by Aselsan STAMP

This is not certain, Dearsan does not have authority to change suppliers, all is predefined by SSB.