TR Navy Naval Programs

[Khagan1923]

TCG Izmit (Third Ship)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869732519442370652

TCG Izmir (Second Ship)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869752725191405851

@Anmdt
With the speed these are being built could we see them being handed over to the Navy for tests next year?

 

[Anmdt]

TCG Izmit (Third Ship)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869732519442370652

TCG Izmir (Second Ship)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869752725191405851

@Anmdt
With the speed these are being built could we see them being handed over to the Navy for tests next year?

The outfitting is the most difficult stage of all. Looking at these pictures, I can't figure out if they have used fitted out blocks like Istanbul Naval Shipyard is capable of. I would say towards the end of the year we can see them fully outfitted and delivered to Navy in H1, and H2 2026 (or more like not commissioned but manned by Navy) and H1 2027 for the third. 6 months off seems plausible to me. Add 6 to 12 months per ship for sea trials and testing. 6 months offset is considered necessary due to logistics and manning the process of equipment installation / outfitting, port acceptance tests and so on.

So approximately:

#Hull	Sails at (Sea Trial)	Commissioned
1st	H1 2026	H1 2027
2nd	H2 2026	H2 2027
3rd	H1 2027	H1 2028
4th	H2 2027	H2 2028
5th	H1 2028	H1 2029
6th	H2 2028	H2 2029
7th	H1 2029	H1 2030

 

[godel44]

This account says that the remaining 7 Istif class ships will have DÜFAS as well as a diver detection sonar and quad packed VLS.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1869715598889906684

DÜFAS on 7 ships sounds like music to my ears...

 

[Yasar_TR]

The outfitting is the most difficult stage of all. Looking at these pictures, I can't figure out if they have used fitted out blocks like Istanbul Naval Shipyard is capable of. I would say towards the end of the year we can see them fully outfitted and delivered to Navy in H1, and H2 2026 (or more like not commissioned but manned by Navy) and H1 2027 for the third. 6 months off seems plausible to me. Add 6 to 12 months per ship for sea trials and testing. 6 months offset is considered necessary due to logistics and manning the process of equipment installation / outfitting, port acceptance tests and so on.

So approximately:

#Hull	Sails at (Sea Trial)	Commissioned
1st	H1 2026	H1 2027
2nd	H2 2026	H2 2027
3rd	H1 2027	H1 2028
4th	H2 2027	H2 2028
5th	H1 2028	H1 2029
6th	H2 2028	H2 2029
7th	H1 2029	H1 2030

https://savunmasanayiidergilik.com/tr/HaberDergilik/MiLGEM-6-7-8-firkateynlerin-sac-kesim-toreni-gerceklestirildi

STM - Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan MİLGEM Fırkateynlerinin İnşasını Başlattı

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, MİLGEM projesinin 6-7-8. fırkateynlerinin sac kesim törenini gerçekleştirdi. Haberin detaylarını incelemek için tıklayınız.

www.stm.com.tr

April 2023, all three ships’ steel cutting was done at the same time. It was then stated by RTE that within 36 months all 3 ships would be delivered to the Navy. According to this statement the 1st, 2nd and 3rd ships on your list, all should be delivered to the navy before April 2026. (the attached X message actually states that the first 3 ships will be delivered in 2026. Remaining ship to be delivered in 2027)

I wonder if those pictures are old and dated. And in reality the production is far ahead of what is portrayed in the pictures!

 

[Anmdt]

https://savunmasanayiidergilik.com/tr/HaberDergilik/MiLGEM-6-7-8-firkateynlerin-sac-kesim-toreni-gerceklestirildi

STM - Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan MİLGEM Fırkateynlerinin İnşasını Başlattı

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, MİLGEM projesinin 6-7-8. fırkateynlerinin sac kesim törenini gerçekleştirdi. Haberin detaylarını incelemek için tıklayınız.

www.stm.com.tr

April 2023, all three ships’ steel cutting was done at the same time. It was then stated by RTE that within 36 months all 3 ships would be delivered to the Navy. According to this statement the 1st, 2nd and 3rd ships on your list, all should be delivered to the navy before April 2026. (the attached X message actually states that the first 3 ships will be delivered in 2026. Remaining ship to be delivered in 2027)

I wonder if those pictures are old and dated. And in reality the production is far ahead of what is portrayed in the pictures!

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Intrinsically i have introduced a year delay and haven't assumed all three ships can be simultaneously outfitted. If all three shipyards are capable of carrying out simultaneous outfitting and organization of logistics and integration of components then the dates are achievable by maximum a year delay. As in, 2027 for first three, 2028-2029H1 for remaining 4 is safely achievable.

We are highly benefiting from utilizing resources of three separate shipyards and STM's expertise in logistics management. But could they manage limited subcontractors on specialized fields, or could they find alternatives to certain ones? Could manufacturers of components catch up with the schedule and so on. Seeing Izmir / Izmit's progress will tell us about the rest, imo. I can't see it yet.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Yunan Bakan ABD’nin LCS teklifine karşı çıktı | SavunmaSanayiST

Yunan Savunma Bakanı Nikos Dendias, Amerika Birleşik Devletleri’nden Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) tedarikine yönelik teklifini reddettiğini açıkladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Unbelievable they really want free ships, the US American is not master of their own country and politics.
The whole system is run by Armenians, Greeks or Jews. If I were the Americans I would make it clear that the United States is not a proxy of country XY just because some of your people live here. That was a big mistake that the majority of the turkish diaspora did not go to America but to Germany which has absolutely no weight.

 

[Nutuk]

Yunan Bakan ABD’nin LCS teklifine karşı çıktı | SavunmaSanayiST

Yunan Savunma Bakanı Nikos Dendias, Amerika Birleşik Devletleri’nden Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) tedarikine yönelik teklifini reddettiğini açıkladı.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Unbelievable they really want free ships, the US American is not master of their own country and politics.
The whole system is run by Armenians, Greeks or Jews. If I were the Americans I would make it clear that the United States is not a proxy of country XY just because some of your people live here. That was a big mistake that the majority of the turkish diaspora did not go to America but to Germany which has absolutely no weight.

Not quite, these are ships that the navy doesn't want.

It's not that the US gives away active ships. In fact the engine condition is such that even Griks reject them, go figure

 

[boredaf]

Not quite, these are ships that the navy doesn't want.

It's not that the US gives away active ships. In fact the engine condition is such that even Griks reject them, go figure

This wouldn't have been the first time they get something US decided to discard, they got bloody amphibious vehicles that drowned US marines because they were free.

 

[CAN_TR]

• MLU Barbaros-class TCG Orucreis (F245)
• Yavus-class TCG Turgutreis (F241)
• Kemalreis (F247) belongs to the subclass (Salihreis) of the Barbaros-class

For those who didn't knew the Barbaros-class are made of two MEKO 200 TN Track II-A and two Track II-B, the Track II-B are classified as Salihreis.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

• MLU Barbaros-class TCG Orucreis (F245)
• Yavus-class TCG Turgutreis (F241)
• Kemalreis (F247) belongs to the subclass (Salihreis) of the Barbaros-class

For those who didn't knew the Barbaros-class are made of two MEKO 200 TN Track II-A and two Track II-B, the Track II-B are classified as Salihreis.

View attachment 72775

What about other MLU of barbaros class ? 5+ years and only 1 ship modernised ?!

 

[Sanchez]

Finally our first look to the new MCMV. I'm seeing a Marlin USV!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871110892290769110

 

[Anmdt]

Finally our first look to the new MCMV. I'm seeing a Marlin USV!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871110892290769110

While i recall another design (MHV) of Dearsan was also going to be ordered with Voith propeller, this one seems to have no Voith but Schötel or Electric Azimuth drives.
Seems like Dearsan has bagged both NG-MCMV and NG-MH

 

[Sanchez]

NG-MH

What's that? We need a new glossary for all these, it's getting harder to catch up...
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We knew for some time Dearsan was awarded the next 4 Hisar Class OPVs, but here's a confirmation from İbrahim Sünnetçi as well.
"DEARSAN was assigned as the Main Contractor in the HİSAR Class ADKG and National Mine Hunting Ship Projects within the framework of the SSİK Decision."

 

[Anmdt]

What's that? We need a new glossary for all these, it's getting harder to catch up...
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We knew for some time Dearsan was awarded the next 4 Hisar Class OPVs, but here's a confirmation from İbrahim Sünnetçi as well.
"DEARSAN was assigned as the Main Contractor in the HİSAR Class ADKG and National Mine Hunting Ship Projects within the framework of the SSİK Decision."

NG-Mine Hunter
Last time i talked with someone from DzKK i heard that both MH and MCMV was alive. Now i am wondering if they restructured the future plans and merged those two into what we see from Dearsan.

OPV is given as 2 and plus 2 options. I hope they will realize remaining 2 options in the following years.

 

[Saithan]

Good news, but those German tech stuff sound omnious. Don't we have our own projects on potential replacements in case we get hit by another embargo ?

 

[boredaf]

I'm seeing a Marlin USV!

It should be Sancar, as it was the one that had mine countermeasure mentioned among its missions on SSB's website; unless something changed since they updated it, of course.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

NG-Mine Hunter
Last time i talked with someone from DzKK i heard that both MH and MCMV was alive. Now i am wondering if they restructured the future plans and merged those two into what we see from Dearsan.

OPV is given as 2 and plus 2 options. I hope they will realize remaining 2 options in the following years.

What's the difference between the two?
Don't they basically have the same purpose?

 

[Sanchez]

It should be Sancar, as it was the one that had mine countermeasure mentioned among its missions on SSB's website; unless something changed since they updated it, of course.

Possible but one shown on the model is the Marlin without the "catamaran addons".

 

[Anmdt]

What's the difference between the two?
Don't they basically have the same purpose?

Technically, yes, they have overlapping purposes, and Mine Hunters are the past, while Countermeasure Ships are the future trend.

In practice, however, hunters tend to be more agile and maneuverable, made of non-magnetic steel, with tighter operational noise levels and special materials, designed to enter mined areas and keep them clean. While countermeasure vessels do the same but are made larger, less agile, classic materials and less complexity, more equipment and often keeps a distance to mined areas and use auxiliaries to reach.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Technically, yes, they have overlapping purposes, and Mine Hunters are the past, while Countermeasure Ships are the future trend.

In practice, however, hunters tend to be more agile and maneuverable, made of non-magnetic steel, with tighter operational noise levels and special materials, designed to enter mined areas and keep them clean. While countermeasure vessels do the same but are made larger, less agile, classic materials and less complexity, more equipment and often keeps a distance to mined areas and use auxiliaries to reach.

Thanks for the clarification, mate!