TR Navy Naval Programs

[dBSPL]

This 2+3 shipbuilding cooperation with the KSA has a history of at least 10 years. In fact, the MILGEM corvettes was used as the symbolic poster of the local production movement in the KSA at one of the defense industry fair there. Then relations between the two countries deteriorated (the Khashoggi incident), the US lobby pushed hard and the project somehow stalled. Even though we offered the fastest delivery schedule. It's good to see this being revived years later. The MILGEM now has a solution set ranging from 2000 tons to 8500 tons, from offshore patrol to regional air defense. So much so that all the surface needs of a navy can be solved through a common logistics infrastructure with MILGEM.

 

[Huelague]

If they export those 2 hisars than i hope they are replaced with 2 I class frigates , 8 frigates are nothing for Turkiye and 10 OPV without much firepower are not ideal for Turkish navy surrounded by enemies . 6 hisars and 12 I class should be produced followed by 10 Tf 2000 destroyers
Future of main warships Turkish navy:

1) - 1AC
2)- 2 Helicopter/drone Carriers
3) - 30 submarines
4) - 20 frigates( 12 i-class , 4 Meko, 4 tf 4500)
5)- 10-12 Tf 2000 Destroyers

With all the additional naval systems, we will increase the personnel significantly. Particularly our future Marine Corps. What is the personal planning in number?

 

[BalkanTurk90]

With all the additional naval systems, we will increase the personnel significantly. Particularly our future Marine Corps. What is the personal planning in number?

We are building another 8 LCT for Afmibi tugay , perhaps another 2 Bayraktar Lst will be good .
I hope navy order light tank for them lile kaplan tank and lots of ZaHAs (~200) aslo double their size to 10k .
We should take our islands back

 

[Huelague]

We are building another 8 LCT for Afmibi tugay , perhaps another 2 Bayraktar Lst will be good .
I hope navy order light tank for them lile kaplan tank and lots of ZaHAs (~200) aslo double their size to 10k .
We should take our islands back

I mean the future number of Amfibi tugay.

 

[Sanchez]

We are building another 8 LCT for Afmibi tugay

Older LCTs will be retired.

 

[dBSPL]

I mean the future number of Amfibi tugay.

I think this growth (which was something we have been waiting for years) is one of the signs that we will see amphibious armored combat teams in the near future. I mean Naval Forces may have MBTs and heavy IFVs in their own inventory, not just allocated from the Aegean Army. This would also be in line with the overseas basing policies of the Navy.

I wish this could develop further in the future and become a force command as an amphibious/expeditionary warfare force that would include air and sea vehicles, adopting the concept of the US Armed Forces.

 

[Sanchez]

I had already changed the DefenceTurk twit to GDH link after it was removed, now that too. Could only mean a sale is very close and they don't want anyone to jump at it without their confirmation

Yuup.

"Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün, President of the SSB: We have customers waiting for our warships that have already been built. These can be realized as long as our navy allows."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879135394664718787

 

[Yasar_TR]

Yuup.

"Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün, President of the SSB: We have customers waiting for our warships that have already been built. These can be realized as long as our navy allows."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879135394664718787

Can you remember the saying :

If you build it they will come.

This reminds me of it. I guess the times are such that everyone is trying to grab a piece of a modern and high quality defence equipment as soon as they can. That means it is a sellers market.

 

[Oublious]

Yuup.

"Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün, President of the SSB: We have customers waiting for our warships that have already been built. These can be realized as long as our navy allows."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879135394664718787

This is how South Koreans are doing, if want a share off the market this 1 way . But will the Navy give permission i do not think.

 

[Turkic]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879226627697082680

Aircrafts to be used on MUGEM seems to be determined and are going to be:

- TB-3
- Anka-3
- Hürjet
- Kızılelma
(50 aircrafts at least)

TF-2000, MUGEM and MILDEN will not face production times up to 7 years, says Haluk Görgün. "Intensive studies are being carried out on where, how and by who these will be produced and what the design will be."

 

[Saithan]

If the navy is promised 1 of any kind fo instance istif class then they might give away some. But here is what I think, they're ordered to give up these opv, or get retired

 

[what]

I really hope that TAI surprises us and a navalized Hürjet is already way ahead in development. Otherwise, we will have two carriers without us using them properly at full capacity.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1881654290667991488

Finally, TRAKON TARGAN RCWS for Hisar-class OPVs has displayed its C-UAS capability. This is the second demonstration of a 12.7 mm RCWS against UAVs after ASELSAN.

 

[Saithan]

I was thinking of what @Anmdt said, when I read the post, and was thinking if Turdef posted it, they must have asked the right questions, but I can't be sure.

 

[boredaf]

You should read the posts from @Anmdt about Unirobotics/Trakon.
And did they upload any video where they shoot on-the-move?

Yeah, while the drone is going on a straight line, with more cuts than Liam Neeson needs to jump a fence. Someone posted it in small drones topic.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879226627697082680

Aircrafts to be used on MUGEM seems to be determined and are going to be:

- TB-3
- Anka-3
- Hürjet
- Kızılelma
(50 aircrafts at least)

TF-2000, MUGEM and MILDEN will not face production times up to 7 years, says Haluk Görgün. "Intensive studies are being carried out on where, how and by who these will be produced and what the design will be."

Perhaps it would have made more sense to develop the Hürjet 20-30% larger with 2 F-404 engines.... Additionally with a small internal weapons bay for 2-3 AAMs and a bit more stealth Design.
As it is now, it would always lose as a future naval version against Russia, China, India or France, e.g. as an aircraft on a carrier.
Without a catapult system, higher payloads are already out of the question, with only one F-404 engine you can't do anything with this aircraft, which is actually a training aircraft, even if you have STOBAR like on the carrier Mugem.
I doubt that Kizilelma as a wingman can somehow compensate for this weakness of the Hürjet as an interceptor if they fly together, the main platform Hürjet is simply 2 Levels too weak compared to a Rafaele M, J-35 & Co.

In a serious conflict where the conflicts will shift to Africa and Southeast Asia, you can't do anything with the current Hürjet as a naval version.

 

[uçuyorum]

Perhaps it would have made more sense to develop the Hürjet 20-30% larger with 2 F-404 engines.... Additionally with a small internal weapons bay for 2-3 AAMs and a bit more stealth Design.
As it is now, it would always lose as a future naval version against Russia, China, India or France, e.g. as an aircraft on a carrier.
Without a catapult system, higher payloads are already out of the question, with only one F-404 engine you can't do anything with this aircraft, which is actually a training aircraft, even if you have STOBAR like on the carrier Mugem.
I doubt that Kizilelma as a wingman can somehow compensate for this weakness of the Hürjet as an interceptor if they fly together, the main platform Hürjet is simply 2 Levels too weak compared to a Rafaele M, J-35 & Co.

In a serious conflict where the conflicts will shift to Africa and Southeast Asia, you can't do anything with the current Hürjet as a naval version.

MUGEM and it's task force will not be used to invade france, egypt or india, so that's fine. It's not supposed to fight head to head with major powers. If at most it can shoot outdated sukhoi planes in africa or something it will be fine. Otherwise the drones could be very useful extra piece in a nato task force in a major war if it really came to that.

 

[boredaf]

I mean a video where the RCWS is on-the-move, so they show us the stabilisation capabilities of their product.
I have seen a video where they put it on a USV, but they shoot only while the USV is not moving and the water is very calm.

Oh, sorry mate, I got you wrong. And I don't think they still showed that.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1882170153942786430

So, they gonna use diesels only on TTHB, instead of diesel+gas turbine

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1882170153942786430

So, they gonna use diesels only on TTHB, instead of diesel+gas turbine

I won't, once again, bother to find my post regarding to TTHB to clarify this. STM also shared TTHB visual at a fair, so it is not MPAC as is.

MPAC has 2/1* gas + 2 * diesel, 2/1 * diesel + 2/1 * diesel versions, and MPAC is not TTHB itself, it is a spin-off product sharing the common lay-out, displacement, and concept ( with nuances in between).