TR Navy Naval Programs

[Anmdt]

I dont like the fact that a lot of our shipyards are located in and around Istanbul.

In case of war we should have backups somewhere safer, i.e. Antalya and Hatay. What do you think, Mr. Navy aka @Anmdt?

This has been spoken by higher ups 10 years ago, there has been attempts of removing or transferring some of the shipyards to a location on the Black Sea coast. For the military this was the reason of trying to elavate Alaybey Shipyard in Izmir as a back up to Pendik Shipyard.

Both Golcuk and Pendik Shipyards do need a backup, not the submarine construction only but Golcuk Shipyard also carries out modernizations and overhauls of combatants.

That's how Izmit Gulf shipyards has risen as well, but still in close proximity to the threats (environmental included).

Thinking through 60 years ago's logic, location of current major naval shipyards are well protected but the threats have not remained the same, so we need a change soon. They have been organizing a back up scheme for major naval shipyards at least to maintain fleet independently of a single shipyard.

As per the commercial shipyards it remains more complex, we have yacht industry in Antalya but all of those exists with ecosystem. And it is challenging to build an infastructure, ecosystem and population from scratch.

Given the current challenges of economical situation in Istanbul, i am pretty sure most of the workers would have moved to another city ( which is somewhere quieter than Antalya ofcourse ) willingly, and i see no reason for ecosystem to move as well. This all should be organised by the state. They have attempted it before, but failed. Though the reason to attempt wasn't because they cared about shipyards strategically but the land is too precious and they have been planning to construct buildings in Pendik Naval Shipyard and Tuzla commercial shipyards district.

 

[uçuyorum]

Well there are shipbuilders around, but essentially industry, trade routes, large ports, education for naval engineering and naval officers or sailors must be aligned in one place to make it sustainable. Mersin and İzmir Alaybey are good canditates for growth and there are some plans about them anyway

 

[boredaf]

This has been spoken by higher ups 10 years ago, there has been attempts of removing or transferring some of the shipyards to a location on the Black Sea coast.

I like this idea, relocation or new shipyards on Black Sea coast, instead of Aegean or Mediterranean coasts. Of all the naval (and aerial) threats we might face, Russia within the Black Sea would be the easiest to deal with.

 

[Anmdt]

"ASFAT signed the Phase-1 design agreement for the TF-2000. Phase-1 will cover the design and production of some parts of the ship. Phase-2 will involve prototype production of the ship."

Just like i have been telling, there is a lot to be done with the design and construction of few blocks likely referring to a new attempt on outfittef megablocks. They intend to work with larger blocks than what they did with Hisar-Class. This will accelerate the steel construction at least.
They might even consider a truly modular approach in construction, allowing Aselsan to work on Mast independently in a construction hull to integrate equipment on mast. Same could go for machinery and so on.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Many news from ASFAT today.

"One of the two HİSAR-class Offshore Patrol Vessels produced by ASFAT may be exported to a European country before entering the inventory."

Country in question maybe Romania, we've heard about a possible OPV sale to Romania for the last few months.

"Negotiations are ongoing for frigate exports to Saudi Arabia. 2 ships are planned to be produced in Turkey and 3 ships in Saudi Arabia. An Istif class based design is being proposed."
Aselsan's 2023 report mentioned a frigate sale to a Gulf country, looks to be on track.

"ASFAT signed the Phase-1 design agreement for the TF-2000. Phase-1 will cover the design and production of some parts of the ship. Phase-2 will involve prototype production of the ship."

"Within the scope of the "National Submarine" MİLDEN Project, ASFAT was assigned by the Ministry of National Defense to carry out all coordination activities between the Ministries of Defense and Naval Forces of other countries and to form the Joint Technical Working Group."

A possible joint project to be started between unnamed partner countries for Milden? Spain?

ASFAT, Avrupa ve Suudi Arabistan’a ihracat için yoğun görüşmeler yürütüyor

Türkiye’nin savunma sanayiindeki öncü şirketlerinden ASFAT, önemli ihracat ve proje adımlarıyla dikkat çekiyor.

gdh.digital

If they export those 2 hisars than i hope they are replaced with 2 I class frigates , 8 frigates are nothing for Turkiye and 10 OPV without much firepower are not ideal for Turkish navy surrounded by enemies . 6 hisars and 12 I class should be produced followed by 10 Tf 2000 destroyers
Future of main warships Turkish navy:

1) - 1AC
2)- 2 Helicopter/drone Carriers
3) - 30 submarines
4) - 20 frigates( 12 i-class , 4 Meko, 4 tf 4500)
5)- 10-12 Tf 2000 Destroyers

 

[begturan]

I like this idea, relocation or new shipyards on Black Sea coast, instead of Aegean or Mediterranean coasts. Of all the naval (and aerial) threats we might face, Russia within the Black Sea would be the easiest to deal with.

I think it makes sense to invest in the Black Sea, but we need to be careful with Russia; they have sabotaged our naval bases many times in history.

 

[dBSPL]

This 2+3 shipbuilding cooperation with the KSA has a history of at least 10 years. In fact, the MILGEM corvettes was used as the symbolic poster of the local production movement in the KSA at one of the defense industry fair there. Then relations between the two countries deteriorated (the Khashoggi incident), the US lobby pushed hard and the project somehow stalled. Even though we offered the fastest delivery schedule. It's good to see this being revived years later. The MILGEM now has a solution set ranging from 2000 tons to 8500 tons, from offshore patrol to regional air defense. So much so that all the surface needs of a navy can be solved through a common logistics infrastructure with MILGEM.

 

[Huelague]

If they export those 2 hisars than i hope they are replaced with 2 I class frigates , 8 frigates are nothing for Turkiye and 10 OPV without much firepower are not ideal for Turkish navy surrounded by enemies . 6 hisars and 12 I class should be produced followed by 10 Tf 2000 destroyers
Future of main warships Turkish navy:

1) - 1AC
2)- 2 Helicopter/drone Carriers
3) - 30 submarines
4) - 20 frigates( 12 i-class , 4 Meko, 4 tf 4500)
5)- 10-12 Tf 2000 Destroyers

With all the additional naval systems, we will increase the personnel significantly. Particularly our future Marine Corps. What is the personal planning in number?

 

[BalkanTurk90]

With all the additional naval systems, we will increase the personnel significantly. Particularly our future Marine Corps. What is the personal planning in number?

We are building another 8 LCT for Afmibi tugay , perhaps another 2 Bayraktar Lst will be good .
I hope navy order light tank for them lile kaplan tank and lots of ZaHAs (~200) aslo double their size to 10k .
We should take our islands back

 

[Huelague]

We are building another 8 LCT for Afmibi tugay , perhaps another 2 Bayraktar Lst will be good .
I hope navy order light tank for them lile kaplan tank and lots of ZaHAs (~200) aslo double their size to 10k .
We should take our islands back

I mean the future number of Amfibi tugay.

 

[Sanchez]

We are building another 8 LCT for Afmibi tugay

Older LCTs will be retired.

 

[dBSPL]

I mean the future number of Amfibi tugay.

I think this growth (which was something we have been waiting for years) is one of the signs that we will see amphibious armored combat teams in the near future. I mean Naval Forces may have MBTs and heavy IFVs in their own inventory, not just allocated from the Aegean Army. This would also be in line with the overseas basing policies of the Navy.

I wish this could develop further in the future and become a force command as an amphibious/expeditionary warfare force that would include air and sea vehicles, adopting the concept of the US Armed Forces.

 

[Sanchez]

I had already changed the DefenceTurk twit to GDH link after it was removed, now that too. Could only mean a sale is very close and they don't want anyone to jump at it without their confirmation

Yuup.

"Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün, President of the SSB: We have customers waiting for our warships that have already been built. These can be realized as long as our navy allows."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879135394664718787

 

[Yasar_TR]

Yuup.

"Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün, President of the SSB: We have customers waiting for our warships that have already been built. These can be realized as long as our navy allows."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879135394664718787

Can you remember the saying :

If you build it they will come.

This reminds me of it. I guess the times are such that everyone is trying to grab a piece of a modern and high quality defence equipment as soon as they can. That means it is a sellers market.

 

[Oublious]

Yuup.

"Prof. Dr. Haluk Görgün, President of the SSB: We have customers waiting for our warships that have already been built. These can be realized as long as our navy allows."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879135394664718787

This is how South Koreans are doing, if want a share off the market this 1 way . But will the Navy give permission i do not think.

 

[Turkic]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1879226627697082680

Aircrafts to be used on MUGEM seems to be determined and are going to be:

- TB-3
- Anka-3
- Hürjet
- Kızılelma
(50 aircrafts at least)

TF-2000, MUGEM and MILDEN will not face production times up to 7 years, says Haluk Görgün. "Intensive studies are being carried out on where, how and by who these will be produced and what the design will be."

 

[Saithan]

If the navy is promised 1 of any kind fo instance istif class then they might give away some. But here is what I think, they're ordered to give up these opv, or get retired

 

[what]

I really hope that TAI surprises us and a navalized Hürjet is already way ahead in development. Otherwise, we will have two carriers without us using them properly at full capacity.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1881654290667991488

Finally, TRAKON TARGAN RCWS for Hisar-class OPVs has displayed its C-UAS capability. This is the second demonstration of a 12.7 mm RCWS against UAVs after ASELSAN.

 

[Strong AI]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1881654290667991488

Finally, TRAKON TARGAN RCWS for Hisar-class OPVs has displayed its C-UAS capability. This is the second demonstration of a 12.7 mm RCWS against UAVs after ASELSAN.

You should read the posts from @Anmdt about Unirobotics/Trakon.
And did they upload any video where they shoot on-the-move?