TR Naval Programs

[Fuzuli NL]

Technically, yes, they have overlapping purposes, and Mine Hunters are the past, while Countermeasure Ships are the future trend.

In practice, however, hunters tend to be more agile and maneuverable, made of non-magnetic steel, with tighter operational noise levels and special materials, designed to enter mined areas and keep them clean. While countermeasure vessels do the same but are made larger, less agile, classic materials and less complexity, more equipment and often keeps a distance to mined areas and use auxiliaries to reach.

Thanks for the clarification, mate!

 

[Isbara]

Finally our first look to the new MCMV. I'm seeing a Marlin USV!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871110892290769110

Aziz Başkan strikes again!!!!

 

[Fuzuli NL]

The first domestic Yaw Damping System, designed and produced by STM with national resources in Turkey, received its product certificate from Türk Loydu, a certification body that is a member of the International Association of Classification Societies (IACS).



Roll Damping System of surface warships; It ensures that the platforms continue their combat missions safely under adverse environmental conditions by absorbing the forces they are exposed to due to external factors such as wind, waves, currents and storms.



The Roll Damping System, which we developed in cooperation with Robotek, accompanies the challenging missions of our national warships.



https://stm.com.tr/tr/medya/haberle...pa-sonumlerim-sistemi-urun-sertifikasini-aldi

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871811303947317594

 

[Sanchez]

Finally our first look to the new MCMV. I'm seeing a Marlin USV!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1871110892290769110

Another slide previously unseen showing the mission loadout of the MCMV. Multiple types of UUVs, ability to carry 2 USVs as well as 2 RHIBs.

Also an infographic detailing the weapon loadout for the Hisar Class OPVs, which have some very interesting changes, which does make me curious. First is the MIDLAS VLS placement instead of an actual Hisar/Sapan launcher akin to a ground based launcher. Second is the pedestal launcher behind the main gun. This location was shown as a place to install missile launchers like Yalman in the past to install missiles like Umtas-GM for engagements up to 30kms but on this version it's shown with Roketsan's ASW rocket launcher like on the Tuzla class boats. Very interesting. @Anmdt

 

[Anmdt]

Another slide previously unseen showing the mission loadout of the MCMV. Multiple types of UUVs, ability to carry 2 USVs as well as 2 RHIBs.

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Also an infographic detailing the weapon loadout for the Hisar Class OPVs, which have some very interesting changes, which does make me curious. First is the MIDLAS VLS placement instead of an actual Hisar/Sapan launcher akin to a ground based launcher. Second is the pedestal launcher behind the main gun. This location was shown as a place to install missile launchers like Yalman in the past to install missiles like Umtas-GM for engagements up to 30kms but on this version it's shown with Roketsan's ASW rocket launcher like on the Tuzla class boats. Very interesting. @Anmdt

Two changes from Asfat's design;
Tübitak Yelkovan is replaced by Aselsan ARES-2N/L (also being used on Qatari FACM)
Unirobotics stabilized* gun replaced by Aselsan STAMP

This is not certain, Dearsan does not have authority to change suppliers, all is predefined by SSB.

 

[Saithan]

Unirobotics ? But since it's aselsan is it good enough ?

 

[dBSPL]

Another slide previously unseen showing the mission loadout of the MCMV. Multiple types of UUVs, ability to carry 2 USVs as well as 2 RHIBs.

View attachment 72906

Container space on deck for optional capabilities or logistics. Huge closed area and multiple crane equipment for 2 USVs in addition to multiple RHIBs. Also can have large number of towed or autonomous underwater vehicles that many of types inc from sonars to other analysis vehicles, from cable cutters to mine detonating vehicles etc . Sophisticated hull mounted sonar configuration and networked fleet data integration with Advent CMS. MCM vessels can also be seen as highly capable patrol/support vessels if needed, am I wrong?

Theoretically, showed design can operate with more than 10 robotic, autonomous or semi-autonomous underwater and surface systems load. And even container space can be configured for VTOL/rotary-wing UAVs if needed. Perhaps a LIDAR based minipod could be developed for near-surface classification and localization, for sub-cloud UAVs.

 

[Sanchez]

Per the weekly briefings, first steel cut and welding activities of TF-2000, MilDen and MUGEM were completed.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1874750191309578578

 

[hugh]

Is TF-2000's first steel cut also ceremonial like the aircraft carrier? Why did they start "building" MİLDEN, MUGEM and TF-2000 at the same time? Is it just for the "wow effect"?

 

[Turkic]

Is TF-2000's first steel cut also ceremonial like the aircraft carrier? Why did they start "building" MİLDEN, MUGEM and TF-2000 at the same time? Is it just for the "wow effect"?

I don't see a reason to create wow effect now. It may be for getting ready the carrier body before 2028 elections. It is an aircraft carrier (for people) when it gets the shape. They wouldn't know how much work left which is as much as passed. They even can be fully built TF-2000 by then.

 

[Nutuk]

Is TF-2000's first steel cut also ceremonial like the aircraft carrier? Why did they start "building" MİLDEN, MUGEM and TF-2000 at the same time? Is it just for the "wow effect"?

Because it makes sense?

When you have an aircraft carrier, you need a battle group around it.

Key parts of that battle group = TF-2000 and Milden

Our other ships are more for littoral combat

 

[Baryshx]

Per the weekly briefings, first steel cut and welding activities of TF-2000, MilDen and MUGEM were completed.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1874750191309578578

Very good newsakp is only trying to do a decent job in military matters. Other than that they don't exist.

 

[hugh]

Because it makes sense?

They started the design of the AC like yesterday. How does that make sense? I'm sure you know how much TF2000's design took? Does the suffix "2000" mean anything?

 

[Fairon]

I lowkey think that navy is using aircraft carrier as a means to get greenlit their real ship needs.(Like " you know we would need new ships to protect our carrier" etc) They found a way for fleet replacement which was long overdue and they are using it.

I know It's a long shot, but if that's the case, I would be glad that they did it.

 

[Baryshx]

They started the design of the AC like yesterday. How does that make sense? I'm sure you know how much TF2000's design took? Does the suffix "2000" mean anything?

It happens in politics. Until the 2028 elections, they have to come up with something. At least this kind of political show is useful for our military needs.

 

[Ripley]

How long have we been designing (initial to production design) the MUGEM?
When did we outline the project? Which contractors (main and sub-contractors) are designated and assigned in the project? How much will it cost? How long it will take to build it?

If, and only if, this was a top secret project that started within the last decade and just been implemented without any fanfare, well, then this must be our 65.000 tons National Aircraft Carrier (MUGEM)

If the the mentioned conditions above are not reached, implemented within the last decade with utmost secrecy, then WT hell is the hull we just had steel cutting ceremony for?

 

[Strong AI]

Per the weekly briefings, first steel cut and welding activities of TF-2000, MilDen and MUGEM were completed.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1874750191309578578

So they ditched plans for TCG Trakya?

 

[BalkanTurk90]

They started the design of the AC like yesterday. How does that make sense? I'm sure you know how much TF2000's design took? Does the suffix "2000" mean anything?

Did u know that when we buy Anadolu we aslo buy TOT with it , Perhaps they just took Anadolu design and modify it longer and heavier , its like how much time did take for Milgem 99 meter to milgem 114 meter change design ?? Perhaps few months .
Same from Anadolu 232 meter to Mugem 285 meter can take 2-3 years for my opinion

 

[dBSPL]

Maybe symbolic ceremonies to mark the concrete start of projects? Could they be test blocks? Or maybe the production of some blocks was started before the detailed design was completed? Or, more optimistically, the information given to the press about the stages of the projects was not synchronized with the progress actually made. I am sure ANMDT üstad will enlighten us in detail on these issues.

But What I would like to draw attention to is the fact that our Naval Forces Command has reached the infrastructure and technical conditions to start the construction of three strategic platforms at the same time with its own infrastructure, which all 3 vessels are flagships in their class with a total displacement of more than 75 thousand tons. Turkish naval industry promise a very different future. This will potentially shape the international image of the Turkish state, its political power, also the nation's view of maritime affairs and many other factors from the roots.

edit: A list of naval ships currently production activities for the Turkish Navy are ongoing simultaneously

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1874809415536197696

 

[Nutuk]

They started the design of the AC like yesterday. How does that make sense? I'm sure you know how much TF2000's design took? Does the suffix "2000" mean anything?

True they indeed did start design of the aircraft carrier very recently but the navy is wishing an aircraft carrier already since 2000 (25 years ago)

Our technology is just recently maturing (able to build radars, VLS systems, AD missiles etc. etc.). Now all ingredients are there it makes sense to start them simultaneously.

An aircraft carrier without battle group is half and vulnerable

We may not realize it fully but the Turkish defense industry has acquired doctorate.