TR Naval Programs

[Khagan1923]

MDAS will be 8 meters long — 30 centimeters longer than Mk 41,” the source said on condition of anonymity.

MDAS height: 8m
Mk41 height: 7,7m
Sylver A43 height: 4,3m
Sylver A50 height: 5m
Sylver A70 height: 7,6m

And for smaller ships we will have S-EDAS developed by Tübitak. This way MDAS can be reserved for bigger surface combatans meanwhile S-EDAS can see use in Corvettes,FAC,OPV and light Frigates or be used in combination with MDAS on bigger ships (TF-2000, TF-100(?)) in smaller spaces of the ship as to reserve MDAS Cells for bigger Missiles (Gezgin,Hisar-U,Siper,VL-Orca)

 

[Ecderha]

Why would we need kamikaze boats while we can have boats which can launch kamikaze drones or low-cost AShM missiles.

One of them is far faster than another, and also affordable.

An USV in sizes of Ulaq can possibly pack 4 kamikaze drones easily.

Drones are small, you can make fast kamikaze semi-submersible or WIG type vehicles in several tons with a big punch.

Both of you have a point. But Turk navy already have solution containing above.
->Ulaq varinat with torpedos<-

 

[Spook]

How will Navy respond to peacetime asymmetrical threats? Like UAS, USV and manned threats. I am talking about threats that can occur when ships is defense systems are partly inactive like during port visit or near shore. Ship personnel should receive training with man-portable C-UAS systems like IHASAVAR. If the port doesn't have C-UAS measures. Navy could also station something portable like IHTAR on shore aside from ships C-UAS capabilities. For sea threats, if ULAQ or small USVs can be carried inside the ship it can be launched anywhere to provide area defense. 25-30mm SMASH should be evaluated for not just sea threats but also for capability against small UAS threats. Rafael's Typhoon Mk30c did show C-UAS capability with air-burst ammo. Both STAMP and Typhoon use Bushmaster Mk44 cannon.

Manned threats also include submerged like diver and semi-submerged threats etc. Portable diver detection sonars are very important.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1411317281670537221

IHASAVAR training

 

[Oublious]

 

[Yasar_TR]

You need to read the complete article published and shared here. It is not as clear cut as this news is portraying.
It is talking about an advantage Turkey‘s Navy is going to have in 2027, when all 6 subs are in service. But….
What the article and this news clip don’t mention is the fact that these subs we are building, are 3.35 m longer and more stable when surfacing or diving than the Greek or S Korean ones. They also do not carry ad hoc remedies to stabilise the ships and stop unwanted leaks.
Also most importantly, most of the electronic and weapons systems are indigenously produced systems. This gives a lot of unknowns to enemy ships and a lot of unpredictables to expect. Also sea launched Atmaca and Gezgin with our indigenous heavy torpedo Akya, are game changers in any conflict.

Why Germany's Type 214 Submarine Isn't Exactly a 'Stealth Submarine'

A decent export boat with some important flaws.

nationalinterest.org

 

[TheInsider]

MDAS will be able to launch Atmaca. At this size, I think it will be able to launch Hisar-Deniz(Navalized Hisar-O+ and Hisar-RF) in a quadpack config. It can probably be able to launch Siper, Tozkoparan air-defense missiles, and Gezgin cruise missile. It might be able to launch the middle-range anti-ship missile in quadpack configuration. We know that Roketsan gave strict diameter specifications(240mm) to the Roketsan regarding the TJ-300 engine.

Boron nitride is the hardest known material after the diamond. 2500 shots per barrel is nearly %100 increase over the existing Italian 76mm cannons. Good job.

 

[Spook]

MDAS will be able to launch Atmaca. At this size, I think it will be able to launch Hisar-Deniz(Navalized Hisar-O+ and Hisar-RF) in a quadpack config. It can probably be able to launch Siper, Tozkoparan air-defense missiles, and Gezgin cruise missile. It might be able to launch the middle-range anti-ship missile in quadpack configuration. We know that Roketsan gave strict diameter specifications(240mm) to the Roketsan regarding the TJ-300 engine.

Boron nitride is the hardest known material after the diamond. 2500 shots per barrel is nearly %100 increase over the existing Italian 76mm cannons. Good job.

MDAS launching Atmaca doesn't make sense. Canisters are integrated with ships design. It's cheap and can be deployed in large numbers. Why take the limited space in MDAS? It would make more sense if it was missile like OMGS or SOM.

 

[Anmdt]

MDAS launching Atmaca doesn't make sense. Canisters are integrated with ships design. It's cheap and can be deployed in large numbers. Why take the limited space in MDAS? It would make more sense if it was missile like OMGS or SOM.

It is not the "AShM Atmaca" we know, people again mixes apple and pears and posts it around which is what i am getting annoyed about, wait for official disclosure on the matter, wait for IDEF at the worst.
Navy's priority and urgency is the SAM missiles in MDAS to start with Hisar-RF and definitely will be followed by G40 then Hisar-U/SIPER, surface attack is the secondary goal for now being circulated by people to create.

 

[Anmdt]

We know that Roketsan gave strict diameter specifications(240mm) to the Roketsan regarding the TJ-300 engine.

That was done such to commonize canister with another missile and to allow certain number of missiles on certain air platform(s).

 

[Khagan1923]

Wrapped in the cover, fresh out of the box, it is on the CIWS platform.

Honestly didn't think they would allowe the export. Which is weird because for Istif they supposedly denied it?

 

[TheInsider]

Why doesn't make sense? It is an option. You don't have to load it with Atmaca. But in the future, we might design better ships that don't have classic Atmaca canisters but have more VLS cells in the anti-ship missile section of the ship. VLS is more area efficient compared to classic missile canisters. And we can design ships with better RCS by removing classic Atmaca canisters. Internal weapon bays create less RCS.

Think about it I class with 32x VLS 16x in the front section and 16x in the middle section. You can load different missiles for the different missions. One improved I class might carry an air defense load while the other might carry a missile load more optimized for surface warfare. Rather than loading 16x Atmaca you can load 8x and the rest can be allocated to other needs or you can load 24x Atmaca and 32x Hisar-D. If the middle-range anti-ship missile is indeed quadpackable then the possibilities are endless.

BTW I class will have classic Atmaca launchers and 16x VLS and probably all of the VLS will be allocated to air defense missiles.

 

[Spook]

Why doesn't make sense? It is an option. You don't have to load it with Atmaca. But in the future, we might design better ships that don't have classic Atmaca canisters but have more VLS cells in the anti-ship missile section of the ship. VLS is more area efficient compared to classic missile canisters. And we can design ships with better RCS by removing classic Atmaca canisters. Internal weapon bays create less RCS.

Think about it I class with 32x VLS 16x in the front section and 16x in the middle section. You can load different missiles for the different missions. One improved I class might carry an air defense load while the other might carry a missile load more optimized for surface warfare. Rather than loading 16x Atmaca you can load 8x and the rest can be allocated to other needs or you can load 24x Atmaca and 32x Hisar-D. If the middle-range anti-ship missile is indeed quadpackable then the possibilities are endless.

BTW I class will have classic Atmaca launchers and 16x VLS and probably all of the VLS will be allocated to air defense missiles.

Very little gain for RCS. I would still have dedicated area on deck for SSM launchers integrated with ships design. It's cheap, easier to replenish. Easier to integrate different systems like Ramjet missile or OMGS in larger numbers. There is a lot of possibilities too.

 

[Saithan]

*No smart-s yet, phalanx was installed last week. It is Aselsan's Ares.


I don't really appreciate things on large ships which is not connected to the operations room. This fits good for small vessels like boats.
There is a reason why stabilized RCWS has been in use instead of manned MG , better if it is installed on a stabilized turret and given a larger power, and uplinked to CMS, so that it can feed from radar's data.

I was thinking along the same lines. Why add a human aiming when you can use existing radars and sensor to track and aim.

I do hope that ihasavar systems can be incorporated to ciws.

 

[Anmdt]

They are purpose built ships for coastline security and search and rescue. They only have 2x127mm gun and a 40mm main gun as armament. they do have a 10ton capacity helicopter landing platform. But I don’t think they carry a dedicated helicopter themselves. Also do not possess the stealthy features of our newer ships. However in the event of need, they can easily be furnished with other weapons. They all have a fire control and search radar on board.

View attachment 24838

​

NUMBER	NAME	LAUNCHED	COMMISIONED
SG-701	DOST	9 June 2010	5 April 2013
SG-702	GÜVEN	17 December 2010	22 November 2013
SG-703	UMUT	31 May 2011	5 April 2013
SG-704	YAŞAM	12 September 2012	13 May 2014

Those CG vessels are technically a corvette, classified as a combatant and certified as such. It has a telescopic hangar allowing one helicopter to be carried, can do aerial refueling and carry JP fuel. Also it can be armed with certain weapons pretty fast and has room for integration of certain equipment.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Those CG vessels are technically a corvette, classified as a combatant and certified as such. It has a telescopic hangar allowing one helicopter to be carried, can do aerial refueling and carry JP fuel. Also it can be armed with certain weapons pretty fast and has room for integration of certain equipment.

If I am not mistaken, their main guns will be changed with the new MKE 76mm guns when they become available.

 

[Test7]

 

[Huelague]

View attachment 25042
View attachment 25043

Interesting concept.

 

[Turko]

View attachment 25042
View attachment 25043

We want G40s / EDAS on ADA class, there is enough space for EDAS.

Could you please draw Tuzla class with HisarA+

 

[Yasar_TR]

View attachment 25046 View attachment 25047

Is this for real? Or is it just wishful thinking?
If this should work, it would make this ship so formidable.

 

[Spook]

Px is hit probability of RAM
Pk = Px is probability of kill
Scenario are ASM missile numbers
Ikili Salvo means two missiles per threat

More info

(PDF) Analysis and Suggestions on the Air Defence Capability of ADA Class Corvettes of Turkish Navy

PDF | Bu makalede MilGem Projesi kapsamında inşa edilen ve Donanmamızın göz bebeği olan ADA Sınıfı Korvetlerin hava savunma kabiliyetinin temelini... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

by Feridun Tasdan