TR Naval Programs

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Ikinci about Levent:

• In addition to IIR Sungur missiles in Levent, Passive/Rf seeker missiles
• First trials will commence next year(2023)
• Stand alone and integrated to ships radar functions.
• Close air defence role on fixed Land installations (CRAM and point defence role)

LEVENT Yakın Hava Savunma Sistemi'nin Son Durumu

Roketsan Genel Müdürü Murat İkinci, LEVENT Yakın Hava Savunma Sistemi hakkında açıklamalarda bulundu. LEVENT'in atışlı testlerine yakın gelecekte başlanılacak.

www.savunmasanayist.com

I think Levent(Kara) variant will be the strongest candidate to be Turkiye's IronDome.

 

[Oublious]

When they make the booster of SIPER thinner and longer with stronger booster the range will hit to 150km with out a problem. The booster they used on the latest test of SIPER is to big.

 

[Radonsider]

When they make the booster of SIPER thinner and longer with stronger booster the range will hit to 150km with out a problem. The booster they used on the latest test of SIPER is to big.

It is the OG siper, not Rf with booster

 

[Oublious]

It is the OG siper, not Rf with booster

what is OG?

 

[Huelague]

what is OG?

Old Gangster?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

According to Ibrahim Sunnetci, the original Siper missile (not the one that is Hisar-RF + booster) will be quadpacked. This original missile that is without a booster is supposed to have a range of 150 km in the land version so the naval version should be comparable. He also said that the Siper missiles would be integrated at a later step, so TCG Istanbul might have only quadpacked ESSM/Hisar in the beginning.

Quadpacking long-range missiles will be a huge technical achievement. In I-class, The Navy most likely sees the target picture as 32 point defense missiles (ESSM or Hisar-RF) plus 32 long-range Siper for area defense. This makes an extremely solid air defense ship in the Mediterranean and certainly outstrips anything Turkish Navy currently has. We are getting a lot of mileage out of this small tonnage frigate.

Best combination of domestic missiles on 16xMIDAS on I class frigate.

32xHisar-Rf
32xSiper-D Blk1
21 cell Levent-Rf (option! instead of Gökdeniz CIWS on remaining 3 I class)

Take a look at the power multiplier that a 113m ship will create. Now, combine the capabilities of all these platforms in same network

• TT Assault Boat (1x Levent)
• Istif class frigate (16x MIDAS +1x Levent or Gökdeniz)
• NG Frigate (design phase) (Likely 32x MIDAS + 1x Levent and/or Gökdeniz)
• Tf2000 destroyer (Waiting for final steps) (64X MIDAS + Levent-Gökdeniz)

 

[Altay2071]

I would like to see later I class with 32 VLS, that will be a different beast

This should be doable eventually. Saar 6 has 72 cells with 90m length. Tough they are not quadpack as far as I know.

 

[Baryshx]

I wonder when we can see Super Block 1 and Siper-D

İstif with Siper-D will be a huge leap

Since Tcg Istanbul will be put into service on September 6, 2023, we should see the Siper-D missile and MDLAS VLS in 2023.

 

[Radonsider]

Since Tcg Istanbul will be put into service on September 6, 2023, we should see the Siper-D missile and MDLAS VLS in 2023.

I hope so, İstif with 16 VLS (64 missiles) will be a lot different than European launchers.

Now, FREMM can use 32 long range Aster 30s with having 6000 tons of displacement while our I class with half of it can carry the same amount of long range and 32 mid range.


Tho with Siper-D, İstif may need newer radars, maybe ÇAFRAD can be put to some extent?

 

[Radonsider]

what is OG?

Original

 

[Ecderha]

We may have to look for config like:

- 8 cell = 8 siper blk 1 (100km)
- 4 cell = 16 siper blk1 without booster (40km)
- 4 cell = 16 ESSM

40missiles, not bad

you are in mistake

Siper without booster have 100km
with booster 150km +

 

[Tornadoss]

you are in mistake

Siper without booster have 100km
with booster 150km +

AFAIK, on the last test in which Siper achieved 100 km range, missile had a booster.

 

[Radonsider]

AFAIK, on the last test in which Siper achieved 100 km range, missile had a booster.

Yes, and we are talking about a different Siper

 

[Tornadoss]

Yes, and we are talking about a different Siper

This is really confusing

 

[Oublious]

This is really confusing

yes like the name.....

 

[Ecderha]

AFAIK, on the last test in which Siper achieved 100 km range, missile had a booster.

1. There is no prove about 100km and with booster
2. In the same class with same dimensions missiles have 100km.
3.Turkiye already have know how, have skilled engineers, have knowledge about fuels used on missile, have Library as input .................etc. I want to say that Siper have 100km+


I will give you example for compare
have a look picture and link for more info
Barak 8 missile

Barak 8 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Baryshx]

1. There is no prove about 100km and with booster
2. In the same class with same dimensions missiles have 100km.
3.Turkiye already have know how, have skilled engineers, have knowledge about fuels used on missile, have Library as input .................etc. I want to say that Siper have 100km+


I will give you example for compare
have a look picture and link for more info
Barak 8 missile

View attachment 47560

Barak 8 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is a difficult example, I hope we have reached these levels. With similar diameter, weight and length..

 

[Ecderha]

This is a difficult example, I hope we have reached these levels. With similar diameter, weight and length..

we have
We already started and learned how to reach range
Lot of years development -> Test -> analysis of data with planed model -> Test again........................repeated so many times

Sungur family
Hisar family
Siper is just expansion

 

[Radonsider]

I wonder if we will ever see Ada class with VLS, maybe MİLDAS can be mounted

 

[Saithan]

This rather can be a loitering type of torpedo, running on an ideal speed with passive motion modes to track & hunt.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1567543762947129345

Then this question arises, UUV project has been around for a decade or so but why wasn't there any proper studies on underwater autonomous motion and related mission planning-decision making?

Smart buoys with passive sonar or mini sonar capability to create a network centric coverage. Enabling quick identification and targetting of enemy vessels for loitering ammo… I don’t think anyone has this thought this. And if someone creates a scientific network first then TAF will realize the potential.