Turkish Navy's aim seems flag waving and control the water. I think they would prefer more seakeeping capabilities with reasonable costs instead of weapon loads . They aren't fancy of heavily armed or stealth frigates.
Hard agree. Even thinking about building a carrier with help from UK at at least 40k tonnes when our frigates are speedily getting outdated is absurd.Then there should be not only 3, but 3+3 parallel production for the İstif class. That is, 2025-26 launching the first 3 frigates, 2027-2028 launching the second three, batch-II frigates. The targeted schedule for the TF-2000 lead ship is already around 2027-2028. In short, what I want to say is that we need to put between TF-2000 and I-class a block before the TF-2000 mass production, which we can realize the fastest through the I-class. TF-100 heavy frigate? It could be last step after first 4 destroyer.
For the first time since the most frightening period of the Cold War, the risks are rising frighteningly high again, the region is boiling, small states have collapsed and a new phase is underway, there is a huge list of urgent military needs and new frigates are on that list.
I find it positive and support the deepening of defense cooperation especially with Spain and Italy, and secondarily with the UK. However, if we have not yet reached the industrial maturity to develop an construct aircraft carriers directly, I don't see the need to push for it. The cost of engineering services and possible package systems to be purchased from the UK will bring the product development cost of that ship closer to the production costs standards in Europe. The President has repeatedly expressed this dream, but even in our history there is a great deal of experience of how such untimely dreams have produced results.Hard agree. Even thinking about building a carrier with help from UK at at least 40k tonnes when our frigates are speedily getting outdated is absurd.
I find it positive and support the deepening of defense cooperation especially with Spain and Italy, and secondarily with the UK. However, if we have not yet reached the industrial maturity to develop an construct aircraft carriers directly, I don't see the need to push for it. The cost of engineering services and possible package systems to be purchased from the UK will bring the product development cost of that ship closer to the production costs standards in Europe. The President has repeatedly expressed this dream, but even in our history there is a great deal of experience of how such untimely dreams have produced results.
If the goal is to increase the number of strategic assets, I think the priority should be under the sea, not area dominance and force projection in distant seas that currently beyond of Turkish navy's combatant capacity.
edit: My idea is related to the position that the Turkish state is trying to position itself within NATO in the new era. If we are pursuing a more autonomous and independent policy, our naval force structure should be capable of using its full capabilities independently.
Our surface combatant fleet structure in the 2000s was around 20 missile boats and 16 frigates. Now? There is a huge pending need for modernization and renewal. A national aircraft carrier task group may have a modest fleet for flag sailing, but it needs half that fleet to go into the hot zone if not in any alliance force group. There are two strategic endpoints in naval strategic assets. One underwater and one above water. To protect the one above water, a huge fleet is needed. So I agree with your idea, we are on the same side.Why nobody (except me) even interest in the conversation about SSNs?
It is something that provides power projection against conventionally inferior adversaries and strategic denial against conventionally superior adversary.
While AC can only do the former, not so great for the later.
I think we should also use ARDA for our offshore patrol corvettes. MAR-D can be a place holder until ARDA becomes available.
Cenk can be scaled down but we are looking for a multifunction x-band radar for the FAC project and X band Mar-D is planned for the OPV project so x band ARDA might be a suitable substitute. OPVs are designed to host Smart-S/Cenk class S-band long-range radars if need be.Is there any info regarding ARDA's range?
Also, can Chenk be scaled down for OPV/Corvette?
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If I were N. Korea, that wouldn't deter me. There are many options for dropping nuclear bombs.You're just casually disregarding sea-based BMD and ground strike of TST with SLBM, let alone ASW hunter-killer capability of a submarine against North Korean SSB that is just around the corner. There's a reason Korea went for a big 3000+ tons class SSK. They are both integral parts of Korean deterrence against NK nuclear force. KDX-III are equipped with Aegis BMD and KDDX will have a Korean BMD solution onboard as well. Think about a case where a North Korean SLBM is launched, where do you think it could be detected and intercepted the earliest?
Whatever you want to say. I'm not interested into getting that sort of discussion since it isn't really what this thread is meant for nor do I think it will end up with anything fruitful. My post was purely a reply to what you were saying, "what Korea is doing is meaningless". Like I've showed you, from military standpoint that's ignorant BS. If you are talking from international relations studies standpoint, like I've said, this thread ain't the place.If I were N. Korea, that wouldn't deter me. There are many options for dropping nuclear bombs.
What Korea needs to do is to achieve nuclear power. With China, N. Korea and Japan on its doorstep, it should not throw itself at the mercy or plans of America.
It should think of ways to overthrow the N. Korean dictatorship, and make plans to unify Korea.
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There is an interesting sentence. According to this sentence, CENK has been already serial produced for domestic and another countries.