TR Navy Naval Programs

[Zafer]

Do we use the German diesels now that there is some rapprochement.

 

[Anmdt]

but disagree with criticism of hisar sale

First two Hisar has no commonality with the remainder of 8, subsystems and design differs. This is why i am pro-sale of these two hulls.

 

[Sanchez]

In line with NATO’s minimum defense-spending target of 2 percent, Türkiye fulfilled its commitment in this area at a level of 2.13 percent in 2024. Our country has also risen from 8th to 7th place in contributions to the NATO Military Budget. We assess that, by gradually increasing the current level, we will reach the Alliance’s planned target of 5 percent by 2035.

https://www.msb.gov.tr/SlaytHaber/b171f22587174c78b602e7430f140003

5% by 2035 is simply not good enough. We're not getting a carrier we can deploy or 8 AD destroyers with 5% by 2035.

Re NATO military spending, Turkey has a special place and is out of sight of Trump; because unlike other members it's mostly self capable and has a large army, even though it's ancient in most places.

 

[Zafer]

5% by 2035 is simply not good enough. We're not getting a carrier we can deploy or 8 AD destroyers with 5% by 2035.

Re NATO military spending, Turkey has a special place and is out of sight of Trump; because unlike other members it's mostly self capable and has a large army, even though it's ancient in most places.

We have hit 1.5 trillion dollar GDP this year and 5% is $75bn, aggregate this over 10 years and you get $654bn, sounds big enough, actual math below.

​	GDP growth @ 3.5%​	@ %8,90​	​
2025​	1.500.000.000.000 $​	%2,13​	​
2026​	1.552.500.000.000 $​	%2,32​	36.011.324.250 $​
2027​	1.606.837.500.000 $​	%2,53​	40.588.903.732 $​
2028​	1.663.076.812.500 $​	%2,75​	45.748.362.230 $​
2029​	1.721.284.500.938 $​	%3,00​	51.563.665.295 $​
2030​	1.781.529.458.470 $​	%3,26​	58.118.180.609 $​
2031​	1.843.882.989.517 $​	%3,55​	65.505.873.137 $​
2032​	1.908.418.894.150 $​	%3,87​	73.832.652.201 $​
2033​	1.975.213.555.445 $​	%4,21​	83.217.889.785 $​
2034​	2.044.346.029.886 $​	%4,59​	93.796.131.845 $​
2035​	2.115.898.140.932 $​	%5,00​	105.719.027.145 $​
​	​	​	654.102.010.228 $​

 

[Pokemonte13]

5% by 2035 is simply not good enough. We're not getting a carrier we can deploy or 8 AD destroyers with 5% by 2035.

Re NATO military spending, Turkey has a special place and is out of sight of Trump; because unlike other members it's mostly self capable and has a large army, even though it's ancient in most places.

Firstly is it 5% or 3.5% defence expenditure plus 1.5% for defence relevant projects.
Secondly 1$ dollar spend by us equals 3 spend by other nato members since our defence industry is really efficient and we don't have to pay those extortion prices anymore since most is done in house. But the budget will never be enough for us thats why we need cost effective solutions or we just do it like the europeans and americans by going in to debt but that is not a good solution.