TR Navy Naval Programs

[TheInsider]

I don't want anything lighter than 5000t. The light TF-2000 should be between 5000-6000t closer to the latter. It should not be a heavy frigate; it should be a light destroyer. Parameters like endurance, VLS count should be closer to a destroyer rather than a frigate. After a corvette-sized FAC, another mistake shouldn't be made by building a frigate-sized destroyer.

 

[Huelague]

So my guess would be for the next 10-15 years the navy will introduce/have based on my realistic expectation and news
8 Istif
4 TF2000
4-6 TF2000 Flight 2 (Medium frigate) still rough speculation
4 Modernized Meko 200TN track 2 (barbaros)
8-10 Hisar ADKG configuration still unknown (light/medium/heavy) probably split between ships from just a light opv to a light frigate
6-10 TTHB Numbers still uncertain
1-2 LHD still some uncertainty if we'll get a second LHD
1 Mügem
(2 LPD) need is there but still a rough guess(my wish)
6 Reis
6 Milden Maybe more but 6 is secure
1 Nükden maybe towards the end of 2038
plus a dozen other support vessels from small to large

@Anmdt
How many TF-2000 do we need, to cover our LHDs, LPDs and our whole coasts?

 

[TheInsider]

@Anmdt
How many TF-2000 do we need, to cover our LHDs, LPDs and our whole coasts?

At least 8. Don't forget there will also be a MUGEM and maybe a drone mothership. I'm ok with 4 TF2000+4 light TF-2000.

 

[Quasar]

I think BARBAROS-Class Frigates Mid-Life Upgrade is almost as important as İSTİF class.... until we come up with a quad packed SAM, I would not expect a light TF 2000.... For me a light TF 2000 is what ISTİF should have been at first place .... but circumstances.... we will have 8 İSTİF class as it is.

-our designs, our components, our ship yards so everything is possible as long as there is a budget and a need...

 

[boredaf]

@Anmdt
How many TF-2000 do we need, to cover our LHDs, LPDs and our whole coasts?

Yanks have 2 anti-air destroyers in their carrier group, Royal Navy has 1, from a little bit of googling it looks like French has 1 or 2 and Chinese plan to have 2. However, I should point out that Royal Navy usually have ships from other countries accompany their carriers almost all the time they are deployed. Since we can't truly rely on others to help us, we need at least 2 destroyers per carrier (be it a drone carrier or a proper one), imo. On top of that, we need 1 or 2 frigates for anti-submarine duties to accompany them.

 

[zio]

I think BARBAROS-Class Frigates Mid-Life Upgrade is almost as important as İSTİF class.... until we come up with a quad packed SAM, I would not expect a light TF 2000.... For me a light TF 2000 is what ISTİF should have been at first place .... but circumstances.... we will have 8 İSTİF class as it is.

-our designs, our components, our ship yards so everything is possible as long as there is a budget and a need...

Barbaros YÖM ships have pesa radar makes it vulnurable to ECM attacks,two short range aesa radar cannot close the gap,also have less SSMissiles some of them outdated harpoon type,two ship have 8 cell,no ESSM blk 2 missiles,extra 20mm CIWS does notmake more sense,and less ECM antennas,so istif class is better than these ships.

 

[uçuyorum]

Barbaros YÖM ships have pesa radar makes it vulnurable to ECM attacks,two short range aesa radar cannot close the gap,also have less SSMissiles some of them outdated harpoon type,two ship have 8 cell,no ESSM blk 2 missiles,extra 20mm CIWS does notmake more sense,and less ECM antennas,so istif class is better than these ships.

Few corrections. That pesa radar is also multi transmit receive so it's a relatively modern pesa. The two x bands are there to close that gap literally. The modernization adds extra atmaca launchers 12 or 16 total. Essm block 2 have been delivered quietly recently.

 

[Anmdt]

@Anmdt
How many TF-2000 do we need, to cover our LHDs, LPDs and our whole coasts?

Considering overhaul & maintenance schedules, overseas deployments (Libya, Somalia, Qatar) there will be minimum of 4 TF-2000, 4 TF2000+, 6-8 TF2000 light. I-Class or ADKGs can't keep up with AC flotilla duties. There will be at least 2 TF-2000 light, 1 TF2000+ and 1 TF2000 per flotilla.

 

[Huelague]

anti-air destroyers

Lets hope not.

 

[Pilatino]

Lets hope not.

Guys, if we’re talking about Turkey’s next-generation surface combatants, there’s one non-negotiable requirement: ASW supremacy. The TF-2000-class will be a flagship air-defense platform, but the real gap in our fleet won't be missiles (Thanks to TF2000) but submarine detection and neutralization. To me, the silent underwater threat is the only hope for our adversaries in East Med. soooooooo...


5-6k ton TF‑ASW “Ghosthunter / Ghostbuster ” destroyer might bring to the table:

• Stealthy propulsion: CODLAG/CODLOG with low-RPM electric drive for <110 dB acoustic signature.
• Multi-layer sonar suite: LF passive/active towed array + VDS sonar capable of thermocline penetration, plus variable-depth sonar for layered detection.
• Full ASW helicopter integration: Helicopters are force multipliers; their synergy with the ship’s sensors is essential. (From our beloved TUSAŞ hopefully)
• Noise reduction measures: Raft-mounted machinery, dual-layer vibration isolation, and optional bubble curtain (Prairie-Masker) systems.
• Softkill & hardkill torpedo defenses and networked ADVENT ASW tactical data links for real-time engagement.
• Low RCS/SQR design: Because detection is half the battle; staying hidden is the other half.

Silent + perceptive = undersea dominance. This makes us neutralize threats under the surface before they even know we’re there... First to hear, first to strike BAM!


P.S. Worth emphasizing: the ship’s ASW helicopters are not an afterthought. They are force multipliers. Fully integrated with the ship’s sonar, towed-array, and VDS systems, these helos extend detection ranges, track submarines in layered environments, and deploy torpedoes or countermeasures faster than any shipboard system alone. In modern ASW warfare, a destroyer without such synergy is only half a hunter and we need it soooooo much tbh. That's why I dedicated a special place for them here.

 

[Anmdt]

• Noise reduction measures: Raft-mounted machinery, dual-layer vibration isolation, and optional bubble curtain (Prairie-Masker) systems.
• Softkill & hardkill torpedo defenses and networked ADVENT ASW tactical data links for real-time engagement.
• Low RCS/SQR design: Because detection is half the battle; staying hidden is the other half.

These are baseline applications valid since Ada-Class, that is also present in TF-2000. Praire Masker is not in use, anymore.

• Multi-layer sonar suite: LF passive/active towed array + VDS sonar capable of thermocline penetration, plus variable-depth sonar for layered detection.
• Full ASW helicopter integration: Helicopters are force multipliers; their synergy with the ship’s sensors is essential. (From our beloved TUSAŞ hopefully)

TF-2000 has BOSS, so does the TF-2000 Light. Check-out multi-static sensor suit concept by Aselsan, that also involves dipping sonar.

Stealthy propulsion: CODLAG/CODLOG with low-RPM electric drive for <110 dB acoustic signature.

Might be introduced with TF-2000 Light since it is more spacious, having less VLS. It will be diesel only, thus likely seeing something as CODOE.

 

[Saithan]

The cost of maintaining such a fleet sounds expensive.

But if all TF2000 are equivalent to heavy class Frigates, would it still be costly to maintain ?

 

[Sanchez]

The cost of maintaining such a fleet sounds expensive.

That's another, larger point of contention. All those plans to enlarge and modernize all forces with more expensive, larger and more modern platforms, but defence spending still not hitting even 3%. We can only hope that the people who ask for, design and build these things also have an idea of budgets required to maintain them. Navy chief looks happy enough.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

@Anmdt
How many TF-2000 do we need, to cover our LHDs, LPDs and our whole coasts?

İ think we need at least 9 Tf 2000 destroyers
-3 should stay in mediterrian sea from spain to around İtaly ,since alot of our opponents are in mediterrian like france ,grece ,israel
-3 should protect MUGEM
-1 For Anadolu
and 2 will be at ports or out of active because of periodik repairs and upgrades not all country warships are 24/7 active for war .
İt will be BİG MİSTAKE if we go for smaller Tf 2000 even İtaly has 8000+ tons OPV , Deatroyers .
İ dont get it why many of you wants smaller warships !
But we need 8x Enlarged 4000 ton İstanbul frigate with 32 VLS 130 meter that will protect closser area around Kibris , black sea , and sea of islands .