TR Politics

[Saithan]

DEVA founding member Gürcan arrested over espionage charges

Security pundit Metin Gürcan, one of the founders of the Democracy and Progress Party (DEVA) established last year, was jailed Monday within the scope of...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Anastasius]

DEVA founding member Gürcan arrested over espionage charges

Security pundit Metin Gürcan, one of the founders of the Democracy and Progress Party (DEVA) established last year, was jailed Monday within the scope of...

www.dailysabah.com

AKP is gonna end up completely discrediting any rule of law in Turkey at this rate. Even when someone IS guilty, it's going to be damn-near impossible to prove it because of political hit-jobs like this.

 

[Ryder]

Irony in this whole Circassian genocide and refugee crisis.

The Russian commander, Grigory Zass was a German.

If Trt World should do a video it would be good just to show the Germans to shut the f up.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Irony in this whole Circassian genocide and refugee crisis.

The Russian commander, Grigory Zass was a German.

If Trt World should do a video it would be good just to show the Germans to shut the f up.

The Russian aristocracy was germanic. Slavs ruled by Germans. Hence why it was easy for Germany, Austria and Russia to all get together and share Poland. Basically a family get together.

 

[Ryder]

The Russian aristocracy was germanic. Slavs ruled by Germans. Hence why it was easy for Germany, Austria and Russia to all get together and share Poland. Basically a family get together.

Russia was founded by Vikings aka the Rus people who were norse. They settled in places where the Slavs were

 

[GoatsMilk]

Russia was founded by Vikings aka the Rus people who were norse. They settled in places where the Slavs were

yeah i generally consider the northern germanic peoples and the Scandinavian tribes to be the same. Its interesting how the Vikings supplanted most of the aristocracies of europe.

In world war one it was basically a family war in europe. All the major kings and queens of all the powers were related.

 

[what]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1466165239691587597

The new Finance Minister (?)

 

[Fighter_35]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1466165239691587597

The new Finance Minister (?)

They are assigning feto past linked people to ministries and calling opposition feto!! And some people believe this shit.
And other than this feto issue, this guy has no economy background but assigned to economy ministry!! What a surprise from 'sahsim' country!!

 

[Rodeo]

IMO, the situation is summarised as so:

A) Which single country, by far, has been the most strategically destructive to Turks in modern era (I generally define this as 18th/19th century onwards)

B) What is current existing realised Turkish tech level w.r.t tech level needed for nuclear weapons (and WMD)

C) Given B...what is relevance of this compared to political costs (which would then drive other costs) factor in a sovereign Turkish WMD program

Only with sound understanding of A,B and C together...can it be quickly seen why some "at first glance seems ok" routes are out of the question for Turkey.

Hints:
A) Russo - Turkish Wars
B) Jet engine + missile + sensor materials + designs et al.
C) NATO et al. w.r.t Turkish current (esp autarkic) power + wealth level

Seeing Erdogan is goner, I wish we had a nuclear development program and we tested it underground 3 months before the elections. We could be apologetic and blame it on Erdogan after the elections and maybe fend off the sanctions. This might be a harebrained idea but I can't help but speculate

 

[Nilgiri]

Seeing Erdogan is goner, I wish we had a nuclear development program and we tested it underground 3 months before the elections. We could be apologetic and blame it on Erdogan after the elections and maybe fend off the sanctions. This might be a harebrained idea but I can't help but speculate

The critical (capex infra) elements of turkish WMD program should have been started in ~ 1980s if you ask me.

i.e Get a couple reactors, and get plutonium (239) production started (using the neutron flux of reactor and create a "bed" design around it)....start stockpiling that plutonium till design program catches up. Pu-239 half life is 24,000 years so its fine....you just need U-238 (i.e regular uranium ore) supply plan.

Design program would not have been too difficult for Turkish science, engg and technical pool in 90s-current.... then you just sit on the design ready to test/assemble much like what Japan (definitely) and South Korea (likely) have achieved....and maintain US umbrella above it for now (but have very useful fall back option now....you can only trust yourself in the end).

Centrifuge route (U-235) is much more blatant one even back then (given NSG, NPT already kicking in)....so probably less ideal compared to cover Pu-239 (more dual purpose) would have provided through civilian reactor expansion program.

Now everything is watched*, noticed right away (reported in mass media eventually) and sanctioned....and Turkey is long term NATO member etc...

There will have to be significant political moves by Turkey that precede gathering + establishing the (fissile) material production capacity (i.e either reactors or centrifuges or both).

I don't see those being easy... this stuff is strategic and brings strategic costs too.

Lot of stuff in geopolitics is you gotta be one of the early ones with your leg in the door (strike the iron opportunely when it is hot)....later on because others jammed their leg and then went through that door, everyones watching it lot closer etc. Hindsight is 20/20 etc.

*IAEA safeguards even in Russian VVER Turkey is getting now...

 

[AWP]

Lot of stuff in geopolitics is you gotta be one of the early ones with your leg in the door

Turkey , Saudi and Egypt ( with Turkey being the least candidate to actually do it ) will start a nuclear program incase of Iran acquired the first nuclear bomb . the middle east will be a nuclear shitshow

 

[Hayat]

Seeing Erdogan is goner, I wish we had a nuclear development program and we tested it underground 3 months before the elections. We could be apologetic and blame it on Erdogan after the elections and maybe fend off the sanctions. This might be a harebrained idea but I can't help but speculate

Thé dame U do everytime ...why this because of RTE,economic fault of RTE, social, éducation,army the same..why Ur wife has gone because if RTE ...so pathetical people U are...that just show Ur ideology & Ur inefficience.... But U ll shout and cru again liké since 2002 After each élection in 2023

 

[Rodeo]

Thé dame U do everytime ...why this because of RTE,economic fault of RTE, social, éducation,army the same..why Ur wife has gone because if RTE ...so pathetical people U are...that just show Ur ideology & Ur inefficience.... But U ll shout and cru again liké since 2002 After each élection in 2023

Again, with the cryptic language. Boy, go to your desk and study English a bit before posting your adolescent brain fart.

 

[Manomed]

Turkey doesn't do anything about disinformstion our goverment only pays to trolls who will defend akp But not the garbage propaganda against Turks in İnternet

There so many lies about our fight against pkk

There are literally Iranians claiming our history etc while our iletişim bakanı posts about akp

If we can't declare war against disinformstion Turks will get much more demonised by the leftist propaganda from europe

 

[CAN_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1466165239691587597

The new Finance Minister (?)

Back to the roots, i guess...

 

[Hayat]

Turkey doesn't do anything about disinformstion our goverment only pays to trolls who will defend akp But not the garbage propaganda against Turks in İnternet

There so many lies about our fight against pkk

There are literally Iranians claiming our history etc while our iletişim bakanı posts about akp

If we can't declare war against disinformstion Turks will get much more demonised by the leftist propaganda from europe

Who make disinformation cru to UE,US about freedom in Turkey (gezi,hendek..) with help of NGO subsidise by West ,who accuse Turkey for arming Daesh (19-25 /12),who accuse Turkey for,destruction of environnement, corruption,despotisme,dictature,jail,inequity,being of retarded,islamist,independant...who Always cry to each project..who for each thing made cry...who said AT parliament :WE are opposition, even if government make something good WE have to bé against because of being the opposition that s only show who accuse...it is hospitality who f.ck off charity !

 

[Hayat]

Again, with the cryptic language. Boy, go to your desk and study English a bit before posting your adolescent brain fart.

As i said few days ago...Ur english...Come live in Turkey...answering always with thé same form without substance... But without succes to understand my poor english (maybe smthg due to RTE) U succeed to answer...

 

[GoatsMilk]

The critical (capex infra) elements of turkish WMD program should have been started in ~ 1980s if you ask me.

i.e Get a couple reactors, and get plutonium (239) production started (using the neutron flux of reactor and create a "bed" design around it)....start stockpiling that plutonium till design program catches up. Pu-239 half life is 24,000 years so its fine....you just need U-238 (i.e regular uranium ore) supply plan.

Design program would not have been too difficult for Turkish science, engg and technical pool in 90s-current.... then you just sit on the design ready to test/assemble much like what Japan (definitely) and South Korea (likely) have achieved....and maintain US umbrella above it for now (but have very useful fall back option now....you can only trust yourself in the end).

Centrifuge route (U-235) is much more blatant one even back then (given NSG, NPT already kicking in)....so probably less ideal compared to cover Pu-239 (more dual purpose) would have provided through civilian reactor expansion program.

Now everything is watched*, noticed right away (reported in mass media eventually) and sanctioned....and Turkey is long term NATO member etc...

There will have to be significant political moves by Turkey that precede gathering + establishing the (fissile) material production capacity (i.e either reactors or centrifuges or both).

I don't see those being easy... this stuff is strategic and brings strategic costs too.

Lot of stuff in geopolitics is you gotta be one of the early ones with your leg in the door (strike the iron opportunely when it is hot)....later on because others jammed their leg and then went through that door, everyones watching it lot closer etc. Hindsight is 20/20 etc.

*IAEA safeguards even in Russian VVER Turkey is getting now...

From what i understand Turkey had nuclear reactors for research purposes in the 1950's, they still have them i believe. There is plenty of information on the internet about Turkey helping Pakistan acquire certain materials and equipment for their own nuclear program. Pakistan has in the past even offered to share everything they know about nuclear development to Turkey, in which Turkey openly always turned down.

In the past so called Islamist Abdullah Gul whose a member of British aristocratic orders, handed over highly enriched unrainum that Turkey created.

Turkey to eliminate highly enriched uranium - World News

Turkey has vowed to eliminate highly enriched uranium from within its borders with 11 other countries at the third Nuclear Security Summit in the Hague.

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Turkey eliminates highly enriched uranium in its territory

Ankara issued joint statement with 11 other nations, stating that HEU has been replaced and thanking Russia, U.S. for help.

www.haaretz.com

I even remember Sibel Edmonds claiming that it was an open secret in Nato that Turkey had nuclear weapons.

 

[Manomed]

As i said few days ago...Ur english...Come live in Turkey...answering always with thé same form without substance... But without succes to understand my poor english (maybe smthg due to RTE) U succeed to answer...

Dua et beni forum kuralları tutuyor yoksa... Hayatında duymadığın küfürleri yiyeceksin benden

 

[Tornadoss]

Dua et beni forum kuralları tutuyor yoksa... Hayatında duymadığın küfürleri yiyeceksin benden

Just ignore him, not worth of your time.