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It’s not about East or West bro. It’s about progression and democracy. We don’t want to go in direction of Iran, Syria etc.

Don't worry Turkey won't go to civil war nor to the same dictatorship like Iran at least not because some party lost or won the election . Yes the Turkish people might lack some sort of political awareness when it comes to voting but they all agree that a civil war won't solve anything .

Typical once again...
The only time Turkey was kinda authocratic (apart from Erdogan era) was during one party rule which lasted 22 years after the creation of the republic, this was the time that was necessary to do the reforms and modernize the country. The leaders back then made a marvelous job and left the most progressive country of the region behind.
They inherited a broken up country from the hands of traitors with their own bloods in battle trenches for decades, they didnt stop after the war and started the war against the backwardness of the previous empire by educating the population and modernizing the country.
All this just to be called dictatorship by a random dude on the internet but i wouldnt expect you think think critically about it, your country is still lacking such an exsample of a leadership.

Other than that Turkey was never a dictatorship and it was still far ahead of anything that the theocratic shitholes in ME produced even to date.

I agree with you that Erdgoan should leave , he created a very bad educational system that even Turkish citizen like you have 0 knowledge of his country history and a foreign man have more facts than him .

jeez
 

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I agree with you that Erdgoan should leave , he created a very bad educational system that even Turkish citizen like you have 0 knowledge of his country history and a foreign man have more facts than him .

jeez
Yeah sure i need a history lesson from you, go tell your ''facts'' to someone else.
 

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Don't worry Turkey won't go to civil war nor to the same dictatorship like Iran at least not because some party lost or won the election . Yes the Turkish people might lack some sort of political awareness when it comes to voting but they all agree that a civil war won't solve anything .



I agree with you that Erdgoan should leave , he created a very bad educational system that even Turkish citizen like you have 0 knowledge of his country history and a foreign man have more facts than him .

jeez
Yes, you know history of our country better than us!!
We are exactly on the line of becoming Iran!!
We were not able to dream this days 5-10 years ago in terms of backwardness in democracy.
My Iranian Scholl friend told me that Turkey will be like Iran in 2008 , and I was actually laughing at him. Now I see that he was totally correct on what he said.
 

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Yeah sure i need a history lesson from you, go tell your ''facts'' to someone else.
It is funny that these guys think that they know our country better🤣🤣🤣.
It is not their fault ,but fault if the people here. When you say something to these guys, they say that they can say anything but when you say something to them you become unwanted!!
 

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Yes, you know history of our country better than us!!
We are exactly on the line of becoming Iran!!
We were not able to dream this days 5-10 years ago in terms of backwardness in democracy.
My Iranian Scholl friend told me that Turkey will be like Iran in 2008 , and I was actually laughing at him. Now I see that he was totally correct on what he said.

i suspect a big part of flooding Turkey with millions of mena types was to change the demographic to allow for a sharia dictatorship.
 

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No offence but a big part of modern Turkish history was dictatorship and military coups , the west do ignore these facts because turkey was secular . If AK party lost the next election and a secular party ruled the country the West will see turkey as prime model or great country even if the same corruption and political BS remains .

So don't take the West fake value as standard to follow or to work for
And you are free to go to your country and leave western country. No one is keeping you there with force!!
 

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i suspect a big part of flooding Turkey with millions of mena types was to change the demographic to allow for a sharia dictatorship.
Exactly!! That is why we have millions of afgans ,Pakistanis and syrians coming with out any control!!
Since they will be manpower of sharia , like Iranian regime forces.
 

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It is funny that these guys think that they know our country better🤣🤣🤣.
It is not their fault ,but fault if the people here. When you say something to these guys, they say that they can say anything but when you say something to them you become unwanted!!
Its in the mantality, just look at what AKP does, sentencing someone to 2 years 7 months to prison for the word ''fool''.
Erdogan and whis whole cabinet should get life sentece for their insults if thats the measure here.
 

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Its in the mantality, just look at what AKP does, sentencing someone to 2 years 7 months to prison for the word ''fool''.
Erdogan and whis whole cabinet should get life sentece for their insults if thats the measure here.
And not just that, it just shows how corrupt system we have.
If it is dictated by akp ,it shows that system is not just but totally under control of akp.
If it is done by some people who want Ekrem to be president by this, again it shows we have a fucked up system either way.
After years of akp fails resulted in this kind of fucked up system!!
Every institute is like this courts in our country now, run by no deserving ,mostly corrupt guys.
 

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They are boosting Imamoglu's reputation for 2023 elections same way they boosted Erdogan's for 2001 elections.Same formula they are not even bother to change it.Our people love anything Mağdur(victim) after all.

Umit Ozdag thinks same too

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They are boosting Imamoglu's reputation for 2023 elections same way they boosted Erdogan's for 2001 elections.Same formula they are not even bother to change it.Our people love anything Mağdur(victim) after all.

Umit Ozdag thinks same too

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So what??
It only shows our courts are not just!!
and this is said after 20 years of akp rule and countless changes in system!!
It only proves that our courts making wrong decisions, whether it is dictated by akp or to increase popularity of İmamoğlu.
 

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No offence but a big part of modern Turkish history was dictatorship and military coups , the west do ignore these facts because turkey was secular . If AK party lost the next election and a secular party ruled the country the West will see turkey as prime model or great country even if the same corruption and political BS remains .

So don't take the West fake value as standard to follow or to work for

Yeah it was not perfect for sure. But instead of going forward we are going backward with a wannabe sultan who wants to jail everyone in his path. A truly corruption free, democratic and secular state is what we need if we want to progress in a good way. Let the people believe in what they want and think freely, but the state should absolutely stay neutral. We need economy, justice, etc to stay independent. All these things are not and should not be unique to the Western world.
 

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I wrote a long reply but looking at the comments here it's not worth it to even debate or have any honest discussion because it's worthless . unfortunately around 4 or 5 members who made this thread and the forum poisonous but I wouldn't want them banned , in fact I was kinda sad that Manomd is banned cuz he didn't deserve it + he way better than some here .

Anyway , me seeing the Turkish people abroad made me question how Erdogan came to power , but then reading what people write here I do understand why .

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I wrote a long reply but looking at the comments here it's not worth it to even debate or have any honest discussion because it's worthless . unfortunately around 4 or 5 members who made this thread and the forum poisonous but I wouldn't want them banned , in fact I was kinda sad that Manomd is banned cuz he didn't deserve it + he way better than some here .

Anyway , me seeing the Turkish people abroad made me question how Erdogan came to power , but then reading what people write here I do understand why .

Bye
Aww thx for caring about me thats so sweet.
What favor can i do for you now, stop critisizing the corruption in MY country so that my Palestinian buddy doesnt get offended when his favourite politician gets critisized?

Yeah sorry i know some of my posts offend you and some other people here but guess what, thats what a forum is for, whether you guys like it or not, we are not in Erdogans cabinet full of yes men.
 

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Turkish history was dictatorship and military coups
look who is talking :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: . as defined with in constitution Turkish army task with protecting democracy/republicanism and secularism of the Turkish state which had only 2 military coup in her history . 1960 were the government of the time was sizing unlawful power and was cracking down on civilian protest just right before the election they were about to lose. army took over only for 1 year and invite all the law professor to reform the constitution to limit the power of the government and empower the parliament . the new law put into referendum (the right you never had in your country ) and after it passed into law army step down voluntarily
the second coup was the coup in 80s which end political unrest between left and the right as well as prevented an invasion from Syria ( kenan evren's first order after the coup was to turkish armed forces to prepare for defensive war with Syria ) which btw the military's rule lasted again only for 1 year and army step down voluntarily when threat averted

so in the last 100 years Turkish republic had 98 years of democracy with 116 political parties in total . army take control for 2 years (which btw one was for protecting freedom of people and other one was because of state of emergency ) so where is the dictatorships you are taking about ?? the authoritarianism started slowly when islamist took over 2002 and accelerated in the year 2013 after gazi park .even before gazi park protest turkey was among the freest democracies

ofc i don't expect folks who never had democracy in their homeland understand this , such people who never had the right to choose, will think every Muslim majority country is like their home country a dictatorships :LOL:
 

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look who is talking :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: . as defined with in constitution Turkish army task with protecting democracy/republicanism and secularism of the Turkish state which had only 2 military coup in her history . 1960 were the government of the time was sizing unlawful power and was cracking down on civilian protest just right before the election they were about to lose. army took over only for 1 year and invite all the law professor to reform the constitution to limit the power of the government and empower the parliament . the new law put into referendum (the right you never had in your country ) and after it passed into law army step down voluntarily
the second coup was the coup in 80s which end political unrest between left and the right as well as prevented an invasion from Syria ( kenan evren's first order after the coup was to turkish armed forces to prepare for defensive war with Syria ) which btw the military's rule lasted again only for 1 year and army step down voluntarily when threat averted

so in the last 100 years Turkish republic had 98 years of democracy with 116 political parties in total . army take control for 2 years (which btw one was for protecting freedom of people and other one was because of state of emergency ) so where is the dictatorships you are taking about ?? the authoritarianism started slowly when islamist took over 2002 and accelerated in the year 2013 after gazi park .even before gazi park protest turkey was among the freest democracies

ofc i don't expect folks who never had democracy in their homeland understand this , such people who never had the right to choose, will think every Muslim majority country is like their home country a dictatorships :LOL:
The thing is whether CHP that planned the full transition to multi party democracy from beginning or the military thatd stepped down after its duty was done is not excatly the definition of a dictatorship.

But do you know what is the definition?
dictatorship, form of government in which one person or a small group possesses absolute power without effective constitutional limitations.

Well, whom does this remind you to?
 

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The thing is whether CHP that planned the full transition to multi party democracy from beginning or the military thatd stepped down after its duty was done is not excatly the definition of a dictatorship.

But do you know what is the definition?
dictatorship, form of government in which one person or a small group possesses absolute power without effective constitutional limitations.

Well, whom does this remind you to?
the guy we all know and love :ROFLMAO: malum şahıs
 

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look who is talking :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: . as defined with in constitution Turkish army task with protecting democracy/republicanism and secularism of the Turkish state which had only 2 military coup in her history . 1960 were the government of the time was sizing unlawful power and was cracking down on civilian protest just right before the election they were about to lose. army took over only for 1 year and invite all the law professor to reform the constitution to limit the power of the government and empower the parliament . the new law put into referendum (the right you never had in your country ) and after it passed into law army step down voluntarily
the second coup was the coup in 80s which end political unrest between left and the right as well as prevented an invasion from Syria ( kenan evren's first order after the coup was to turkish armed forces to prepare for defensive war with Syria ) which btw the military's rule lasted again only for 1 year and army step down voluntarily when threat averted

so in the last 100 years Turkish republic had 98 years of democracy with 116 political parties in total . army take control for 2 years (which btw one was for protecting freedom of people and other one was because of state of emergency ) so where is the dictatorships you are taking about ?? the authoritarianism started slowly when islamist took over 2002 and accelerated in the year 2013 after gazi park .even before gazi park protest turkey was among the freest democracies

ofc i don't expect folks who never had democracy in their homeland understand this , such people who never had the right to choose, will think every Muslim majority country is like their home country a dictatorships :LOL:
I am curious, how do you view 2016s coup?
 

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