TR Politics

[TheInsider]

Yavaş is not a traitor like Akşener.

The math is easy.



Without Yavaş how many votes could İyi Party gain?


Please remember Yavaş and İmamoğlu who are the candidate of Akşener standing with CHP.


Half of ex MHP voters are ready to vote CHP.

Currently cumhur ittifakı can't gain more than 40%.

Let Akp supporters vote for Cumhur.

The Principal of the table is changing the presidental regime and most of Turkish voters want AKP has gone. That's it.

Son dakika.... İYİ Parti'dan çarpıcı kulis... Akşener, 'Erdoğan’la Kılıçdaroğlu yarışırsa' sorusuna yanıt verdi

Cumhuriyet yazarı Mustafa Balbay'ın aktardığına göre İYİ Parti Genel Başkanı Meral Akşener, bir parti yöneticisinin Erdoğan’la Kılıçdaroğlu yarışırsa tabanımıza ne diyeceğiz sorusu üzerine çarpıcı bir yanıt verdi.

www.cumhuriyet.com.tr

Let those vote for Erdoğan.

You will vote for Kılıçdaroğlu. According to your logic, nothing changes whether IYI Party supports Kılıçdaroğlu or not. If so why are you guys angry nothing changes for Kılıçdaroğlu he will win anyway. You can get rid of IYI less party to share power and you can bring HDP into the fold openly as there will be no one to object. If Erdogan can't get more than %40 of the votes Kılıçdaroğlu wins automatically by %60 whether Akşener supports him or not. Why the fuss?

What we see is a different outcome. Kılıçdaroğlu has a very slim chance of winning even when Meral Akşener supports him. It is like Karagümrük winning against Manchester City. Can it happen? There is a possibility, it is football. Do I bet my money on it? Hell no. Out of the 3 candidate options, Kılıçdaroğlu has the lowest chance of winning. Why should I see nightmares about a likely loss when Millet Alliance can win with a healthy lead? Who will take responsibility if Kılıçdaroğlu loses even though he got full support from the table of six? (In reality table of two)

There are %35 (CHP+HDP+several left parties) leftists and %60 rightists voters in Turkiye. The remaining %5 is fluid votes. The fate of the elections rests on how many right votes can the presidential candidate get. Imamoğlu and Mansur can get right votes to varying degrees( İmamoğlu less, Mansur more) Kılıçdaroğlu gets zero votes from the right.

 

[Baryshx]

It is certain that Tayyip Erdoğan will not be elected in the first round. If Akşener puts up a good candidate, she will be the party that will compete with Erdoğan in the second round.

 

[Lool]

It is certain that Tayyip Erdoğan will not be elected in the first round. If Akşener puts up a good candidate, she will be the party that will compete with Erdoğan in the second round.

Which candidate do you think Aksener will put with such popularity that they will win against Erdogan in the second round? There is a reason why Aksener wanted either Imamoglu or Yavas to be nominated; since they have the popularity that none of her party members has

 

[YeşilVatan]

Which candidate do you think Aksener will put with such popularity that they will win against Erdogan in the second round? There is a reason why Aksener wanted either Imamoglu or Yavas to be nominated; since they have the popularity that none of her party members has

A part of me believes that once a candidate that is not set up for failure (a.k.a. a Kılışdar plant), opposition has a chance against Erdoğan. Meanwhile CÊXÂP can yell "harder daddy" to their imaginary kurdish voterbase. All it will result is pushing more undecided into İYİ's arms. Only deciding factor is how well managed this process by İYİ campaign. Messaging and professionalism is the name of the game. There is a mass of 'reluctant' voters that are ready to leave AKP.

I may also be totally wrong, but in that case İYİ went down with their honor intact. They did not kneel before CÊXÂP bullies and their subversive sidekicks. History will remember them well.

 

[Ravenman]

I dont understand what people see in Imamoglu. I am here in Istanbul and the people of Istanbul regret their choice for him because he didnt do any sh.it in the city, he promised everything but did nothing and with every crisis he is gone with vacation.

Transportation, sanitation, housing, everything that Binali Yildirim build, this man just fu.cked up. And at the top of that Imamoglu is the FIRST MAYOR EVER that:

- gathered people to celebrate a CANCELED project (instead of presenting a newborn project and celebrating that)

- visited Mitsiotakis in Athens and attacked Turkish foreign policy and naval policy

I will vote for Muharrem Ince, the best alternative for Erdogan.

 

[dBSPL]

I dont understand what people see in Imamoglu. I am here in Istanbul and the people of Istanbul regret their choice for him because he didnt do any sh.it in the city, he promised everything but did nothing and with every crisis he is gone with vacation.

Transportation, sanitation, housing, everything that Binali Yildirim build, this man just fu.cked up. And at the top of that Imamoglu is the FIRST MAYOR EVER that:

- gathered people to celebrate a CANCELED project (instead of presenting a newborn project and celebrating that)

- visited Mitsiotakis in Athens and attacked Turkish foreign policy and naval policy

I will vote for Muharrem Ince, the best alternative for Erdogan.

Imamoglu is in the state of wannabe Erdogan. The only problematic point between Iyip's rhetorics. He does not have a counterpart in the nationalist section. There is a reason why he is more visible in the media and why he is in touch with ambassadors. For me, the litmus paper is the attitude of the cliques of which Demirtaş(and other registered traitors like this one) is the main spokesperson. Whoever these and the mentality they represents supports, one should think about that candidate.

The real question is, who is uncomfortable with Yavaş's candidacy? Who does not approve, or who Chp failed to convince...

 

[Deliorman]

İ can understand the hatred from AKP voters but:

I can't understand why hatred towards Kılıçdaroğlu from oppositioners?

Kılıçdaroğlu is the leader of the main opposition so He has everyright to be a candidate.

Because Kilicdaroglu is a certified LOSER who have lost a dozen elections to Erdogan and will lose to him again. All that while you have candidates that are 100% sure winners if they run.

He might be a good person but after all of his failures through the years he must have left the politics for good. Let's not even mention that he filled Ataturk's party with all kinds of anti- Turkish elements and is now a small power hungry dictator in CHP itself.

Mofo must just retire... I am tired of all these old ass grandpas running for high office positions. The guy is 75 and smells like a grave but will want to be a President. Puh!

Turkey needs young blood and young people to run it. To hell with all of these old bastards who ruined the country.

 

[Lool]

And here we go

Translation:
IYI Party Ankara Deputy Ayhan Altıntaş resigned from the IYI Party. (PHOENIX)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632118537396314115

 

[Lool]

And another alliance got broken

Translation:
Muharrem İnce left the alliance with Ümit Özdağ.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632101230112546818

 

[Ravenman]

His real surname is not Kılıçdaroğlu, but Karabulut. His father changed the surname of the family.

Karabulut means Black Cloud.

Thats why he lost 9 elections against Erdogan and he will also lose this time making 10 out of 10 ('La Decima').

Black clouds are surrounding him.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I hope Meral Akşener became canditate for pressident and wins . She is perfect for situation that Turkish economy is and for ralations with outside .
Will be clash of titants if Akşener became canditate of Akp-mhp-iyi VS Mansur Yavaş CHP -Saadet +others .
Kiliçdaroglu is 'used' and old thats why Turks dont prefer him , Erdogan was good for Turkiye but the clash with west desteoyed economy thats why needs to go .

 

[Lool]

I hope Meral Akşener became canditate for pressident and wins . She is perfect for situation that Turkish economy is and for ralations with outside .
Will be clash of titants if Akşener became canditate of Akp-mhp-iyi VS Mansur Yavaş CHP -Saadet +others .
Kiliçdaroglu is 'used' and old thats why Turks dont prefer him , Erdogan was good for Turkiye but the clash with west desteoyed economy thats why needs to go .

With your theory, Aksener when she comes into power must make amends with the West and that means
1- Keeping the refugees in Turkey
2- Getting out of both Syria and Libya
3- Limiting Turkish defense industry capabilities to reduce tensions with Greece
4- Promoting PKK/HDP or whatever they are called today
5- Making concessions regarding Mavi Vatan

If Aksener is to fix the economy by making amends with the West, then expect that at least one of these options will become true and if it did, then she is no different from Kilicdaroglu and Eddogan. Erdogan didnt get into conflict with the West out of fun for Gods sake; many matters of conflict are due to Turkish growth which the West wants to curb

The concessions to be made in case of reconciliation will be from the Turkish side since their hands are weaker during negotiations

 

[contricusc]

Erdogan didnt get into conflict with the West out of fun for Gods sake; many matters of conflict are due to Turkish growth which the West wants to curb

Do you really believe what you just wrote? Do you really think the West has nothing else to do except to conspire against Turkish growth? A more developed and wealthier Turkey would be good for the West, at least from the point of view of being more capable to host the migrants and be a better trading partner.

Erdogan got in conflicts with everyone because he is too aggressive and is nostalgic for the Ottoman empire.

 

[UkroTurk]

Because Kilicdaroglu is a certified LOSER who have lost a dozen elections to Erdogan and will lose to him again. All that while you have candidates that are 100% sure winners if they run.

He might be a good person but after all of his failures through the years he must have left the politics for good. Let's not even mention that he filled Ataturk's party with all kinds of anti- Turkish elements and is now a small power hungry dictator in CHP itself.

Mofo must just retire... I am tired of all these old ass grandpas running for high office positions. The guy is 75 and smells like a grave but will want to be a President. Puh!

Turkey needs young blood and young people to run it. To hell with all of these old bastards who ruined the country.

Mansur Yavaş is not young.

Here people against Kılıçdaroğlu just because his origin is Alevith .

 

[dBSPL]

Can Kılıçdaroğlu Win Elections Without IYIP?

A very detailed article with the most accurate answer.

Kılıçdaroğlu, İYİ Parti Olmadan Seçim Kazanabilir mi?

Kocafurkan Dinçaslan : " Kılıçdaroğlu, İYİ Parti Olmadan Seçim Kazanabilir mi? "

www.tamgaturk.com

 

[YeşilVatan]

With your theory, Aksener when she comes into power must make amends with the West and that means
1- Keeping the refugees in Turkey
2- Getting out of both Syria and Libya
3- Limiting Turkish defense industry capabilities to reduce tensions with Greece
4- Promoting PKK/HDP or whatever they are called today
5- Making concessions regarding Mavi Vatan

If Aksener is to fix the economy by making amends with the West, then expect that at least one of these options will become true and if it did, then she is no different from Kilicdaroglu and Eddogan. Erdogan didnt get into conflict with the West out of fun for Gods sake; many matters of conflict are due to Turkish growth which the West wants to curb

The concessions to be made in case of reconciliation will be from the Turkish side since their hands are weaker during negotiations

Reducing corruption by about 30% and cutting unnecessary spendings by about %80 would solve most short term economic problems.

And yes, I believe that.

 

[Afif]

Do you really believe what you just wrote? Do you really think the West has nothing else to do except to conspire against Turkish growth? A more developed and wealthier Turkey would be good for the West, at least from the point of view of being more capable to host the migrants and be a better trading partner.

Erdogan got in conflicts with everyone because he is too aggressive and is nostalgic for the Ottoman empire.

Irrespective of Erdogan or whoever is in power there are some core geopolitical interests where Turkiye and the West are totally at odd with each other.

First and foremost, EEZ dispute between Greece and Turkiye where EU is almost unconditionally stand behind Greek side of the story.

In addition to that, Europe is unfortunately a hub of Kurdish separatist in the name of 'freedom of action'.

Another one is Cyprus issue, where probably Turkish troops will exist as long as Republic of Turkiye exist.

Last but not the least, current Turkish policy in African continent. About which EU is very uncomfortable.

And all of these would be still going on irrespective of erdogan or anybody else.


Because in these matters, Turks in general wouldn't compromise.

 

[Anastasius]

Do you really believe what you just wrote? Do you really think the West has nothing else to do except to conspire against Turkish growth? A more developed and wealthier Turkey would be good for the West, at least from the point of view of being more capable to host the migrants and be a better trading partner.

Erdogan got in conflicts with everyone because he is too aggressive and is nostalgic for the Ottoman empire.

I don't think this part was conductive to your argument considering that Lool is speaking from the point of view that Turkey doesn't want to host migrants anymore.

 

[bisbis]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1631977223602282499

"CHP promised to elect a total of 54 deputies to the 4 junior partner parties to support Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu's presidential candidacy."

Mr. Kemal was vigilant. They had previously agreed that the candidate would be chosen unanimously. But, they broke their promise for 5 common seats.

What promises did mr. Kemal K. make in Pennsylvania? What promises did he take? Did he do these maneuvers to make the deals here come true?

Kılıçdaroğlu'nun ABD'deki gizemli 8 saati: Herkesi uçakla gönderdi Pensilvanya üzerinden kara yolunu seçti

CHP Genel Başkanı Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, ABD'de basından habersiz tam 8 saat ortadan kayboldu. Türk gazetecilerin tepkisine yol açan gelişme sır perdesini korurken, sosyal medyada çarpıcı bir iddia ortaya atıldı. Kılıçdaroğlu'nun uçak yerine karayolunu tercih ettiği ve kullandığı güzergahta FETÖ...

beyazgazete.com

 

[YeşilVatan]

Do you really think the West has nothing else to do except to conspire against Turkish growth?

That's how geopolitics work. A quick example would be German NGOs financing left-liberal journalists in Turkey. Why? They want refugees staying in Turkey, but Turkish public doesn't want it, so they manufacture consent.

A more developed and wealthier Turkey would be good for the West, at least from the point of view of being more capable to host the migrants and be a better trading partner.

Economically meh, geostrategically, no. EU hates Turkey being able to pursue its own interests. They would love nothing more than Turkey on a leash. Economic situation doesn't really matter. But if Turkey has a solid autarchic order and a strong economy, they wouldn't be able to boss Turks around.

Erdogan got in conflicts with everyone because he is too aggressive and is nostalgic for the Ottoman empire.

Partially true. Erdogan doesn't want the Ottoman Empire. He wants a Muslim Brotherhood style pan-Islamist monstrosity. At least that was the initial plan for his movement. But his machiavellian twists and turns led to his ideological orientation to blur and become meaningless. He essentially cornered himself into becoming a nationalist, but his brand of nationalism is nothing more than slogans and empty aesthetic. Erdogan has to have some amount of nationalism after the fiascos of Ergenekon-Balyoz trials and the Peace process. Otherwise he wouldn't politically survive.

It's not as simple as you think.