TR Politics

[dBSPL]

Muharrem Ince

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632127823363076098

It seems that we will not see any Turkist candidate on the May-2023 election ballot

Our new law is inspired by Turkism on the one hand and westernization (Enlightenment) on the other. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk - 1925 (Atatürk'ün not defterleri, ATASE, Volume 12 p.18)

 

[UkroTurk]

Muharrem Ince

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632127823363076098

It seems that we will not see any Turkist candidate on the May-2023 election ballot

Our new law is inspired by Turkism on the one hand and westernization (Enlightenment) on the other. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk - 1925 (Atatürk'ün not defterleri, ATASE, Volume 12 p.18)

But there is no Turkism in the Atatürk's 6 principals.
İf you are looking for Atatürk's principals, you may look CHP's flag.

Today does Kılıçdaroğlu make something against of 6 principals?

Atatürk's Main Principles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Ryder]

Do you really believe what you just wrote? Do you really think the West has nothing else to do except to conspire against Turkish growth? A more developed and wealthier Turkey would be good for the West, at least from the point of view of being more capable to host the migrants and be a better trading partner.

Erdogan got in conflicts with everyone because he is too aggressive and is nostalgic for the Ottoman empire.

Defending Turkish interests has nothing to do with the Ottoman Empire.

By the way Ataturk took Hatay before he passed away.

Now go try to spin that with neo Ottomanism.

 

[dBSPL]

But there is no Turkism in the Atatürk's 6 principals.

In the principle of nationalism, Atatürk defends the -Turkish nation state- at its very foundation and explains its principles. Ataturk's greatest struggle throughout his life was to promote Turkish nationalism in order to establish a Turkish nation-state within national and defensible borders.

So the expression "I am against Turkism" is unacceptable. This gaffe is unexplainable because in his speech Ince classfying Turkism as racism or as if it were a discrimination.

He states that he will not harbor those who hold this view in his party. This must be a blunder, I can't think otherwise. As soon as possible, he should elaborate on what he actually meant in this statement and apologize to the citizens who were hurt.

 

[Lool]

This is a joke

Translation:
Deputy Ayhan Altıntaş, who resigned from the IYI Party, returned to his party after 3 hours

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632170698167730176

 

[UkroTurk]

In the principle of nationalism, Atatürk defends the -Turkish nation state- at its very foundation and explains its principles. Ataturk's greatest struggle throughout his life was to promote Turkish nationalism in order to establish a Turkish nation-state within national and defensible borders.

So the expression "I am against Turkism" is unacceptable. This gaffe is unexplainable because in his speech Ince classfying Turkism as racism or as if it were a discrimination.

He states that he will not harbor those who hold this view in his party. This must be a blunder, I can't think otherwise. As soon as possible, he should elaborate on what he actually meant in this statement and apologize to the citizens who were hurt.

Muharrem İnce is the person who hasn't got any intellectual background. So don't expect such wise move from him.


Here is an Another weirdo:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632134348005601287

 

[contricusc]

Irrespective of Erdogan or whoever is in power there are some core geopolitical interests where Turkiye and the West are totally at odd with each other.

First and foremost, EEZ dispute between Greece and Turkiye where EU is almost unconditionally stand behind Greek side of the story.

In addition to that, Europe is unfortunately a hub of Kurdish separatist in the name of 'freedom of action'.

Another one is Cyprus issue, where probably Turkish troops will exist as long as Republic of Turkiye exist.

I think the problem lies with the fact that Turkey insists on holding Cyprus hostage with military troops and refusing to recognize Greece’s EEZ rights.

If Turkey would want to move on from conflicts and just focus on development and cooperation, it should negotiate with the EU a solution where it gives up on the Greek and Cyprus claims in exchange for European support on the Kurdish issue.

Europe cannot accept Turkish claims in the Mediterranean, and this is where most of the conflict with Europe originate.

If I were a Turk, I would just want to resolve this issue once and for all, and then get into the EU. It would be much better for the long term.

Last but not the least, current Turkish policy in African continent. About which EU is very uncomfortable.

The current Turkish policy in Libya is directly related to the EEZ dispute with Greece and Egypt.

Because in these matters, Turks in general wouldn't compromise.

That’s the big problem with nationalistic thinking. It stays in the way of development.

 

[contricusc]

That's how geopolitics work. A quick example would be German NGOs financing left-liberal journalists in Turkey. Why? They want refugees staying in Turkey, but Turkish public doesn't want it, so they manufacture consent.

Germans are extremely hypocritical when it comes to the refugee issue. They are expecting Mediterranean states to take all the burden of refugees, and that also includes Greece and Italy. This is one of the reasons why Italy is always at odds with the EU regarding the migrant problem.

Economically meh, geostrategically, no. EU hates Turkey being able to pursue its own interests. They would love nothing more than Turkey on a leash. Economic situation doesn't really matter. But if Turkey has a solid autarchic order and a strong economy, they wouldn't be able to boss Turks around.

As long as Turkey’s interests diverge from those of the EU, yes, they would want it on a leash. But if Turkey would align its interests with those of the wider EU, than a strong and developed Turkey would be good for everyone.

The problem right now is that the EU doesn’t trust Turkey, because of the Greek EEZ and the Cyprus issues. The EU badly beeds Cyprus to develop its gas resources in the Mediterranean, and Turkey is blocking that.

If Turkey would be less hostile towards Greece and would withdraw its troops from Cyprus, the relations with the EU could quickly change for the better, and Turkey could even join one day.

Partially true. Erdogan doesn't want the Ottoman Empire. He wants a Muslim Brotherhood style pan-Islamist monstrosity. At least that was the initial plan for his movement. But his machiavellian twists and turns led to his ideological orientation to blur and become meaningless. He essentially cornered himself into becoming a nationalist, but his brand of nationalism is nothing more than slogans and empty aesthetic. Erdogan has to have some amount of nationalism after the fiascos of Ergenekon-Balyoz trials and the Peace process. Otherwise he wouldn't politically survive.

It's not as simple as you think.

I don’t know all the details of Erdogan’s political ideology, but you confirmed my understanding that he dreams of some crazy Islamist thing, that is surely not aligned with the EU or with Turkey’s own interests.

 

[Afif]

I think the problem lies with the fact that Turkey insists on holding Cyprus hostage with military troops and refusing to recognize Greece’s EEZ rights.

Why on earth you are telling a sovereign nation to give up its own EEZ rights?

And how did you came to the conclusion Turkey is holding Cyprus hostage?

I let the Turks here to respond to this.

 

[Ravenman]

So the High IQ Table waited 12 months and instead of a young new fresh candidate that give the people hope, they nominated this:

And i see a lot of new members here living in a dreamworld thinking that the West wants a strong Turkey (l litterally laughed my ass off and the neighbours waked up from the noise).

Kilicdarooglu, Imamoglu, Aksener are alle puppets of the West and they will obey all orders from Brussel (Cyprus, Sweden/NATO, PKK, Transgenderism, Weapondeals).

They will turn Turkey geopolitical in a Asian Luxemburg and de-weaponized it. They will surround us and take all our space and destroy our heavy industry. Than you will see the real economic crisis, not the pseudo Youtube-crisis from today (i was in the mall today and all Western fastfood shops were overfull, no place to sit, stand or order - KFC, McDonalds, Starbucks, Dominos, BurgerKing).

Just pray for Erdogan or Muharrem Ince.

 

[contricusc]

Why on earth you are telling a sovereign nation to give up its own EEZ rights?

Because right now they claim some EEZ rights that are totally outside international laws and conventions. Accepting Greek’s rights means acting like a normal member of the international community, not like an irredentist.

And how did you came to the conclusion Turkey is holding Cyprus hostage?

What does holding troops on a country’s territory against its government wish mean? Part of Cyprus is basically under Turkish occupation.

Cyprus government should be allowed to decide which countries are allowed to keep troops on its soil, and to control the entire territory of the island.

 

[Ryder]

Because right now they claim some EEZ rights that are totally outside international laws and conventions. Accepting Greek’s rights means acting like a normal member of the international community, not like an irredentist.



What does holding troops on a country’s territory against its government wish mean? Part of Cyprus is basically under Turkish occupation.

Cyprus government should be allowed to decide which countries are allowed to keep troops on its soil, and to control the entire territory of the island.

Turkiye is a guaranteor in Cyprus.

Greeks were too busy killing Turks. The Turks intervened and stopped a sebrenica genocide from happening in the East Med.

Turkish Cypriots are living in peace and Turkish troops are protecting them.

 

[Ryder]

Germans are extremely hypocritical when it comes to the refugee issue. They are expecting Mediterranean states to take all the burden of refugees, and that also includes Greece and Italy. This is one of the reasons why Italy is always at odds with the EU regarding the migrant problem.



As long as Turkey’s interests diverge from those of the EU, yes, they would want it on a leash. But if Turkey would align its interests with those of the wider EU, than a strong and developed Turkey would be good for everyone.

The problem right now is that the EU doesn’t trust Turkey, because of the Greek EEZ and the Cyprus issues. The EU badly beeds Cyprus to develop its gas resources in the Mediterranean, and Turkey is blocking that.

If Turkey would be less hostile towards Greece and would withdraw its troops from Cyprus, the relations with the EU could quickly change for the better, and Turkey could even join one day.



I don’t know all the details of Erdogan’s political ideology, but you confirmed my understanding that he dreams of some crazy Islamist thing, that is surely not aligned with the EU or with Turkey’s own interests.

Turkish interests>Eu interests.

Turks work with whatever benefits them not the EU.

Eu made them jump through so many hoops just to get into the EU while Bulgaria and Cyprus got into the EU with ease.

Why arent you guys making Albania, Bosnia and North Macedonia as eu members? Arent they European too?

Why the double standards.

Once Russia and China are gone the West will go after Turkiye.

Didnt the EU once said that Russia, China and Turkiye are revisionist powers trying to gain their old imperial glory back and need to be confronted.

Its more than Erdogan to be honest. Erdogan is just a scapegoat.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Turkish interests>Eu interests.

Turks work with whatever benefits them not the EU.

Eu made them jump through so many hoops just to get into the EU while Bulgaria and Cyprus got into the EU with ease.

Why arent you guys making Albania, Bosnia and North Macedonia as eu members? Arent they European too?

Why the double standards.

Once Russia and China are gone the West will go after Turkiye.

Didnt the EU once said that Russia, China and Turkiye are revisionist powers trying to gain their old imperial glory back and need to be confronted.

Its more than Erdogan to be honest. Erdogan is just a scapegoat.

Once China and Russia is gone, you can be sure that there won't be any Europe or US as well.

 

[contricusc]

Turkiye is a guaranteor in Cyprus.

Greeks were too busy killing Turks. The Turks intervened and stopped a sebrenica genocide from happening in the East Med.

Turkish Cypriots are living in peace and Turkish troops are protecting them.

That happened 50 years ago. You can’t keep occupation forces forever for something that happened half a century ago.

There is no longer a military junta leading Greece and Cyprus is an independent country now that has no plan of union with Greece.

The Turkish troops serve no other purpose now except for keeping Cyprus divided and blocking the development of Northern Cyprus to the detriment of the Turkish Cypriots.

If Cyprus would unite and become a multi ethnic country with equal rights for all its citizens on the entire island, the standard of living of Turkish Cypriots will benefit the most.

Add to this allowing Cyprus to develop its gas deposits in the Mediterranean and you could have a wealthy nation, but for some geopolitical ambitions Turkey is unwilling to allow Cyprus to flourish.

 

[contricusc]

Eu made them jump through so many hoops just to get into the EU while Bulgaria and Cyprus got into the EU with ease.

Because Turkey has many problems with the rule of law and its democracy is very fragile with Erdogan acting like a wannabe dictator. Keeping occupation troops in Cyprus (an EU country) also doesn’t help.

Why arent you guys making Albania, Bosnia and North Macedonia as eu members? Arent they European too?

It takes time to become an EU member, because there are many standards than need to be achieved. Sooner or later the mentioned countries may very well join the EU, but they still have a lot of internal problems to solve. Croatia just joined recently. North Macedonia made great progress by resolving the name dispute with Greece.

Once Russia and China are gone the West will go after Turkiye.

Russia and China are going nowhere, but hopefully Russia will not be a threat in the future after losing the war in Ukraine.

We don’t want to go after Turkey. We would like to have Turkey as an ally that respects its neighbors (not threatening Greece with invading islands or keeping a large part of Cyprus under occupation).

Didnt the EU once said that Russia, China and Turkiye are revisionist powers trying to gain their old imperial glory back and need to be confronted.

Maybe the solution would be to stop the revisionist thinking and nobody will have anything against you. Erdogan acts very similar to Hungary’s Orban, decrying the current recognized borders.

In Europe we just want to live in peace, and lift travel restrictions among our countries, not to fight wars to redraw the borders. Turkey should join the club instead of trying to keep Cyprus divided and threaten Greece.

Its more than Erdogan to be honest. Erdogan is just a scapegoat.

He is not very friendly to the EU, so there is not much sympathy for him in Europe. If you would elect a pro EU president, the relations may change greatly.

 

[TR_123456]

I think the problem lies with the fact that Turkey insists on holding Cyprus hostage with military troops and refusing to recognize Greece’s EEZ rights.

If Turkey would want to move on from conflicts and just focus on development and cooperation, it should negotiate with the EU a solution where it gives up on the Greek and Cyprus claims in exchange for European support on the Kurdish issue.

Europe cannot accept Turkish claims in the Mediterranean, and this is where most of the conflict with Europe originate.

If I were a Turk, I would just want to resolve this issue once and for all, and then get into the EU. It would be much better for the long term.

Wow,where did you get all this knowledge about my country's situation?
''Holding Cyprus hostage''
''Recognize Greece's EEZ rights''
''European support for the Kurdish issue''
''Turkish claims in the Mediterranean''
''Get into the EU''

My advice to you is either to do some research into the matter or not comment at all about the issues regarding my country.
The topics to investigate are,

Cyprus
Greece's EEZ claims
Kurdish issue in Turkiye(there is none)
Turkish claims in the Mediterranean
Turkish EU aplication

What i want to know is where you got all this information from?
Which media or any other way of gathering information?

 

[Bürküt]

Because Turkey has many problems with the rule of law and its democracy is very fragile with Erdogan acting like a wannabe dictator. Keeping occupation troops in Cyprus (an EU country) also doesn’t help.



It takes time to become an EU member, because there are many standards than need to be achieved. Sooner or later the mentioned countries may very well join the EU, but they still have a lot of internal problems to solve. Croatia just joined recently. North Macedonia made great progress by resolving the name dispute with Greece.




Russia and China are going nowhere, but hopefully Russia will not be a threat in the future after losing the war in Ukraine.

We don’t want to go after Turkey. We would like to have Turkey as an ally that respects its neighbors (not threatening Greece with invading islands or keeping a large part of Cyprus under occupation).


Maybe the solution would be to stop the revisionist thinking and nobody will have anything against you. Erdogan acts very similar to Hungary’s Orban, decrying the current recognized borders.

In Europe we just want to live in peace, and lift travel restrictions among our countries, not to fight wars to redraw the borders. Turkey should join the club instead of trying to keep Cyprus divided and threaten Greece.


He is not very friendly to the EU, so there is not much sympathy for him in Europe. If you would elect a pro EU president, the relations may change greatly.

wowwwww

Erdogan has already done what you said in the past.We're already in this situation because of his stupid concessions in the past.I don't want to go too far off topic then my messages are being deleted.But I'm gonna say a few things.

In Erdoğan term, the islands in Aegean Sea were armed against the Treaty of Lausanne.And Erdogan did nothing. With the courage they got from here, Greece declared our airspace its own.And now they're trying to invade our continental shelf

https://gdh-data.s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/grece.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Mavi_Vatan.jpg/1280px-Mavi_Vatan.jpg

Just look at this two maps and tell me who is trying to invade????

The Kurdish initiative was made in this country during the Erdogan period .Then the PKK terrorist organization revived again.Our soldiers were shot in the head in public, but Erdogan did not allow the army to carry out an operation at that time.They dug everywhere in Diyarbakir, planted bombs and the government did not do anything as you wanted. We had to restore security by giving many martyrs.

I'm trying not to get angry, but please do some research and talk accordingly.

 

[Ravenman]

Because Turkey has many problems with the rule of law and its democracy is very fragile with Erdogan acting like a wannabe dictator. Keeping occupation troops in Cyprus (an EU country) also doesn’t help.



It takes time to become an EU member, because there are many standards than need to be achieved. Sooner or later the mentioned countries may very well join the EU, but they still have a lot of internal problems to solve. Croatia just joined recently. North Macedonia made great progress by resolving the name dispute with Greece.




Russia and China are going nowhere, but hopefully Russia will not be a threat in the future after losing the war in Ukraine.

We don’t want to go after Turkey. We would like to have Turkey as an ally that respects its neighbors (not threatening Greece with invading islands or keeping a large part of Cyprus under occupation).


Maybe the solution would be to stop the revisionist thinking and nobody will have anything against you. Erdogan acts very similar to Hungary’s Orban, decrying the current recognized borders.

In Europe we just want to live in peace, and lift travel restrictions among our countries, not to fight wars to redraw the borders. Turkey should join the club instead of trying to keep Cyprus divided and threaten Greece.


He is not very friendly to the EU, so there is not much sympathy for him in Europe. If you would elect a pro EU president, the relations may change greatly.

Please do some research, you are talking like a child with authority-arguments ("UN said this is bad, so this is bad").

You have totally no idea or knowledge or background information about the related topics.

 

[Gary]

Genuine question. Other than the obvious economic advantage of being EU member what is it that makes you guys really want to be in the EU ?

You now you can still tap into markets as a separate country, like what ASEAN and China is doing with RCEP instead of being "province" of Europe.

Or maybe I'm being in error here ?