TR Politics

[Ryder]

Oh so thats what you mean
If thats the case, then you cant be more right and you cant be more wrong about the issue

It is without a doubt that the AKP's time is ending and even if they survive, then they at least need to learn a harsh lesson regarding the bullshit they have been doing recently. However, the real question is who is gonna replace Erdogan!? Kilicdaroglu isnt an answer

KK's policy of diversity seems nice on paper but later on will be catastrophic. Rn, CHP's alliance is composed of leftists, liberals, Nationalists, Terrorists (HDP), and Islamists. The problem in this alliance is that none of these can co-exist under the same umbrella. Therefore, when Erdogan gets kicked out, I expect a bloody fight for power! The CHP will try to take everything for itself while the HDP will just play with Turkish lives as if it is nothing; the iYi will start to absorb the AKP and pester the CHP to immediately initiate a parliamentary system in order to try and oust the CHP; however, the CHP is likely to resist and will probably find a 100 excuse to delay the process until they ensure that they obtain the necessary power to fulfill their own agenda and prolong their rule

The only one suffering in the middle is the Turkish citizen! The current scenario post Erdogan with the current alliance is a new Israel 2.0 and Iam sure you know about the current politicial condition in Israel rn; nd surprisingly, this is THE good outcome since the bad outcome will be a nation so divided that a possibility of internal unrest is soo high at this point that it may turn into an Iraq kind of scenario as @Baryshx stated before

That is why I was so shocked when I saw that Aksener rejoined the table of the 6 with KK as a candidate and even more shocked when I found out that the iYi has been sidelined from the decision-making process by making Imamoglu and Yavas as VP but not Aksener herself. This means that Aksener has been completely defeated during negotiations with the CHP and everything will be in the CHP's hands

It is said once Erdogan is gone this coalition will start to eat each other up.

 

[Lool]

It is said once Erdogan is gone this coalition will start to eat each other up.

That is exactly what will happen
The opposition parties didnt join hands out of love and respect for each other but rather due to their shared hatred of Erdogan
As the saying goes: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
But what will happen when that enemy goes away? The opposition willtear itself apart; the CHP will use this opportunity to solidify their power for the next decade whatever the means, the HDP will ensure that no operation against the PKK happens ever again whether in Syria or in Turkey, the iYi will try to suck all of the nationalist votes and pester the CHP for an immediate parliamentary rule in order for Aksener to become the new Erdogan and the end loser is as always, the Turkish voter

 

[Ryder]

That is exactly what will happen
The opposition parties didnt join hands out of love and respect for each other but rather due to their shared hatred of Erdogan
As the saying goes: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"
But what will happen when that enemy goes away? The opposition willtear itself apart; the CHP will use this opportunity to solidify their power for the next decade whatever the means, the HDP will ensure that no operation against the PKK happens ever again whether in Syria or in Turkey, the iYi will try to suck all of the nationalist votes and pester the CHP for an immediate parliamentary rule in order for Aksener to become the new Erdogan and the end loser is as always, the Turkish voter

They all have interests that clash.

Thats why so many coalitions in Turkiye always end up in smoke.

With the instability and chaos that comes dont be surprised if the Turkish military intervene.

 

[dBSPL]

The arguments about Hüdapar always revolve around the martyrdom of Gaffar Okan, but I think what really needs to be put forward is the ideology of this party. The murder of Gaffar Okan is an event that was actually beyond the capacity of Hizbul-Kontr, nor did they engage in any other action in those years that would contradict their principle of not attacking the state. Even if the organization was involved in this murder, we cannot examine this issue independently of JİTEM.

 

[Ravenman]

Source is Yenişafak AKP media outlet. You are becoming more and more cringe. And BTW Şeyh Said is a traitor and crushed like the bug he was. YOu want sharia you want Kurdistan not happening bro live your religion all you want you won't be dictating your religious rules and life style on us. Our laws> your god's laws.

Şeyh Said wasnt a seperatist. No historian did or could claim this. Someone is not a terrorist when you said so. You confuse him with Seyyid Riza like so many people do, please lecture yourself in history.

Seyh Said wanted the Ottoman system back instead of the new seculair system. If he was a 'terrorist', than 90% of this forum are also 'terrorists' because they want the parliamential system back instead of the presidential system.

 

[Nutuk]

Şeyh Said wasnt a seperatist. No historian did or could claim this. Someone is not a terrorist when you said so. You confuse him with Seyyid Riza like so many people do, please lecture yourself in history.

Seyh Said wanted the Ottoman system back instead of the new seculair system. If he was a 'terrorist', than 90% of this forum are also 'terrorists' because they want the parliamential system back instead of the presidential system.

Yeah but there is difference between wanting and openly revolting with fire weapons. The moment you revolt with weapons against the state you are terrorist!!!

 

[Tabmachine]

They all have interests that clash.

Thats why so many coalitions in Turkiye always end up in smoke.

With the instability and chaos that comes dont be surprised if the Turkish military intervene.

I think it will be time for a return to military rule, in the case that HDP is able to disable operations against the PKK. This will not be good for the economy, but it is what it is.

 

[Afif]

I think it will be time for a return to military rule, in the case that HDP is able to disable operations against the PKK. This will not be good for the economy, but it is what it is.

Yeah, the best recipe for disaster.

 

[Rodeo]

They all have interests that clash.

Thats why so many coalitions in Turkiye always end up in smoke.

With the instability and chaos that comes dont be surprised if the Turkish military intervene.

You should read the "Mutabakat Metni"(Consensus Text). These are the actions that the opposition will take after they win(if) the elections. So they have thousands of points they(the six) have already agreed upon. I don't think this was the case with the previous coalitions. Even if they carried out half of the list, it would still be revolutionary for the country.

Mutabakat Metni(Consensus Text)

 

[Tabmachine]

You should read the "Mutabakat Metni"(Consensus Text). These are the actions that the opposition will take after they win(if) the elections. So they have thousands of points they(the six) have already agreed upon. I don't think this was the case with the previous coalitions. Even if they carried out half of the list, it would still be revolutionary for the country.

Mutabakat Metni(Consensus Text)

In every democratic country, immense and glorious promises are made by parties in the campaign phase. Almost in every case, their actions once in power are a shadow of what they promised, and sometimes even opposite to what they promised. Ascertaining the true consequences of one electoral outcome vs. another, requires to set aside the words of politicians and to examine their interests, their funding, their voter demographics, the internal dynamics of their coalitions/parties etc. independent of their claims.

All in all, that white paper is not worth much, other than to understand the optics they are trying to achieve.

 

[Rodeo]

In every democratic country, immense and glorious promises are made by parties in the campaign phase. Almost in every case, their actions once in power are a shadow of what they promised, and sometimes even opposite to what they promised. Ascertaining the true consequences of one electoral outcome vs. another, requires to set aside the words of politicians and to examine their interests, their funding, their voter demographics, the internal dynamics of their coalitions/parties etc. independent of their claims.

All in all, that white paper is not worth much, other than to understand the optics they are trying to achieve.

While true, this is a very generic statement. There are over 2300 points in the consensus text. These are legislative, structural, institutional, policy changes, investments etc. Most of these elements has no material cost to the country.

The opposition collation have members from different parts of the political spectrum and the "Consensus Text" consist of items that are unanimously(down to the dot) agreed by all the members of the alliance. For instance, there's the matter with "Istanbul Sözleşmesi"(Istanbul Convention of which the government revoked from, the agreement on preventing violence against women). All members of the alliance except Saadet Party are adamant on immediately returning to the convention. But because of Saadet Party's disagreement they don't mention it on Consensus Text.

My point is that the Consensus Text is solid in terms of preventing the conflict of interest of the members of the alliance. The elements that are found undesirable by any of the members are left out of the consensus text.

 

[Ryder]

While true, this is a very generic statement. There are over 2300 points in the consensus text. These are legislative, structural, institutional, policy changes, investments etc. Most of these elements has no material cost to the country.

The opposition collation have members from different parts of the political spectrum and the "Consensus Text" consist of items that are unanimously(down to the dot) agreed by all the members of the alliance. For instance, there's the matter with "Istanbul Sözleşmesi"(Istanbul Convention of which the government revoked from, the agreement on preventing violence against women). All members of the alliance except Saadet Party are adamant on immediately returning to the convention. But because of Saadet Party's disagreement they don't mention it on Consensus Text.

My point is that the Consensus Text is solid in terms of preventing the conflict of interest of the members of the alliance. The elements that are found undesirable by any of the members are left out of the consensus text.

Does the Istanbul convention really try to stop domestic violence or is it just another vessel to push foward gender identity, woke crap and critical race theory along with protecting the alphabet crowd.

 

[Fighter_35]

Hüdapar is HDP's arch enemy, they are muslim Kurds instead of communist Armenians like HDP.

Yasin Börü was killed because he was a Hüdapar sympathiser. There a lot of clashes between Hüdapar and HDP.

HÜDA-PAR is terrorist, they killed Gaffar Okan, they are famous due their assassinations with "domuz bağı". Adn most important of all, they are Iranian agents !!

 

[Sanchez]

Does the Istanbul convention really try to stop domestic violence or is it just another vessel to push foward gender identity, woke crap and critical race theory along with protecting the alphabet crowd.

Ozzyland might be a tad different but being a mostly middle eastern country, Turkey has few issues with way lower than average female employment, higher than average femicides, child brides, honor killings and few other stuff. No need to project Western politics on us, we have enough problems of our own.

CRT is an American nonsense that has no place outside of the states and Istanbul Convention is not at all related to it.

 

[Fighter_35]

Akp supporters try to legitimize their Huda par coalition, with hdps support for kk.!! There is no deal made with HDP like Huda par made with akp!! No HDP member will be chosen as CHP candidate unlike akp /Huda par. And most important of all, we need to get rid of akp and go back to old system that no one can decide on everything!!
so we will vote for getting rid of akp first, to throw all Sharona's and afgans back, to get our children's share in this country, and to avenge the people who died because of mismanagement at earthquake.
if you look from this window, who to vote for and who to not for is crystal clear!!
and if we don't like opposition candidate, iyi party will not let them do what ever they want and in the next election ,president will go!! Unlike akp one. If akp wins, our country is fucked up once and for all!!

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Akp supporters try to legitimize their Huda par coalition, with hdps support for kk.!! There is no deal made with HDP like Huda par made with akp!! No HDP member will be chosen as CHP candidate unlike akp /Huda par. And most important of all, we need to get rid of akp and go back to old system that no one can decide on everything!!
so we will vote for getting rid of akp first, to throw all Sharona's and afgans back, to get our children's share in this country, and to avenge the people who died because of mismanagement at earthquake.
if you look from this window, who to vote for and who to not for is crystal clear!!
and if we don't like opposition candidate, iyi party will not let them do what ever they want and in the next election ,president will go!! Unlike akp one. If akp wins, our country is fucked up once and for all!!

Getting rid of erdogan must be the #1 priority of every Turk that has more than 2 brain cells.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Ozzyland might be a tad different but being a mostly middle eastern country, Turkey has few issues with way lower than average female employment, higher than average femicides, child brides, honor killings and few other stuff. No need to project Western politics on us, we have enough problems of our own.

CRT is an American nonsense that has no place outside of the states and Istanbul Convention is not at all related to it.

Fathers' rights are a serious issue. Whole alimony, divorce and child custody stuff is very hostile against males in Turkey. They take away men's children and hope. Might as well throw him in prison. That's honest-to-god state oppression in my book. Other side of this argument houses very repulsive bunch (religious cults and assorted fruitcakes). This makes advocating for males a very tedious ordeal.

And to be honest, it comes down to how men and women operate in social settings. Men generally solve their problems with violence or threat of violence, no matter how subtle. There is always that line you don't cross because you get punched if you cross it. Women do reputation destruction, gossiping, fake allegations and generally more "social maneuvering". Female way of solving social conflict is much more superior in the information age. It's like white-collar crime vs. violent crime. If you rob people, you go to prison. If you move some numbers, you will have much easier time. That kind of stuff.

So when women come into conflict with their partners/husbands/male family members; they utilize this skillset. In the old times, these wouldn't work most of the time because of harsh patriarchy. Now, not only they do work, male counter (ass whoppin') is banned. That's the social phenomenon here, gentlemen. We must allow some kind of justice against female type assh*lery. Male type is already banned (which needs to be banned harder, what the hell is "iyi hal indirimi" anyway).

 

[-Sinan-]

Another BS claim from you.

Posting a 10 years old news article with dubious sources and content won't change the reality in SE Anatolia.

HÜDA-PAR and PKK are enemies, opponents, foes and blood rivals. No amount of propaganda is going to change this FACT.

For instance, Hudapar supported the Turkish security forces during the Hendek operations.

It is not a secret that PKK is killing HÜDA-PAR members. Usually Hüda-Par retaliates in the same manner.

PKK'lılar Hüda-Par üyesinin evini taradı - Güncel Haberler

Son Dakika Türkiye Gündem Haberleri - HÜR Dava Partisi (Hüda-Par) Genel Başkan Yardımcısı Vedat Turgut, Diyarbakır'ın merkez Sur İlçesi'nde dün gece bir üyel...

www.cnnturk.com

"Vedat Turgut said that the people were harmed due to the trenches dug in the streets and that the police could not intervene in the events, and that they would no longer allow PKK members to dig trenches in places where Hüda-Par members' houses are located."

PKK assassinated Hüda-Par member V. Turgut during the Hendek wars.


Hüda-Par > HDPKK

What's your point here? ISIS and PKK also kills each other. Both terrorists.

What's more funny is AKP is so insecure about the upcoming elections that they need support from extremists like Doğu Perinçek, Hizbullah, anti-vac conspiracy theorist Fatih Erbakan. As if these %0.1 parties gonna effect anything.

At the past Erdogan wouldn't even talk about these lunatics.

 

[Asena_great]

advice from south azerbaycan turk everyone must hear

he says that he hate islamist for 44 years they ruled iran and don't believe the islamist they only know how to cut and kill they will only impoverished you they don't know anything about politics or economy our life is over we are old now but it will be yazik for you youth if turkey become iran

 

[Tornadoss]

He revolted against after a coup against a new government that changed the whole system.

If tomorrow a coup happens and Fetullah Gülen throws Erdogan and the AKP from the throne and introduces the Gülenist Theocratic Republic, are we terrorists when we took up arms and fight against the army and police that supports Gülen?

Wow you are comparing Ataturk and friends to feto how shallow you are.