TR Politics

[Ryder]

Everytime I think the History research and education of TC is almost worst in the world until the LGBT rise.(LGBT destroyed the education but the professional research still good)

The best history book of Turkiye wrote by foreign researcher from east and west europe.

The History research and education of TC is full of political propaganda like the communist Whig History.（depend on the writer view,ISLAM always good/pan-turkism always good/Devshirme good Turk noble bad/Devshirme bad Turk noble good Vb)

Tarikats did actually play a big role in the spread of Islam among Turkic peoples.

Because dervishes were seen as wise old men.

Turkic history in pre Islamic and post Islamic always had wise men they try correct their peoples ways.

I do understand how lot of people see Tarikats as a threat because the old times of them with honour and helping their communities is all over. I agree most have become cults and twisted Islam to fit their own views.

Just shows how corruption can destroy everybody. I can see why Ataturk on many ways destroyed their power. Even the Ottomans tried to curtail their power.

 

[Ryder]

Volga Tatars actually have a festival where they celebrate Volga Bulgaria becoming Muslim.

You dont have to love Islam. Seriously I dont like the lies being spread.

Arabs only comprise 20% of the Islamic world.

Regardless of what people think of Islam's role in Turkic history let it be said majority of the Turkic peoples are Muslim regardless of sect (Sunni, Shia and Alevi).

I know there are Christian, Jewish, Tengrist, Shaman, Buddhist and Zoroastrian Turks. They are all minorities.

Nihal Atsiz hated Islam he was even respectful to Islam's role in Turkic history. Its stupid to deny 1000 years of it just because you hate Arabs.

 

[B_A]

Tarikats did actually play a big role in the spread of Islam among Turkic peoples.

Because dervishes were seen as wise old men.

Turkic history in pre Islamic and post Islamic always had wise men they try correct their peoples ways.

I do understand how lot of people see Tarikats as a threat because the old times of them with honour and helping their communities is all over. I agree most have become cults and twisted Islam to fit their own views.

Just shows how corruption can destroy everybody. I can see why Ataturk on many ways destroyed their power. Even the Ottomans tried to curtail their power.

Everything changing day by day,

Yeniçeri were the super soldiers in 1500s but only a corrupt group in 1800s

Volga Tatars actually have a festival where they celebrate Volga Bulgaria becoming Muslim.

You dont have to love Islam. Seriously I dont like the lies being spread.

Arabs only comprise 20% of the Islamic world.

Regardless of what people think of Islam's role in Turkic history let it be said majority of the Turkic peoples are Muslim regardless of sect (Sunni, Shia and Alevi).

I know there are Christian, Jewish, Tengrist, Shaman, Buddhist and Zoroastrian Turks. They are all minorities.

Nihal Atsiz hated Islam he was even respectful to Islam's role in Turkic history. Its stupid to deny 1000 years of it just because you hate Arabs.

After the end of Ottoman halife and the rich from the oil,the gulf arabs got big influence and power in later-20 century until now.

In this time, we have to consider how to restrict their influence and avoid the internal division of our people.

 

[B_A]

The current problem was started at about 2010s.

The syrian civil war, millions of refugee.

The decline of Türks birth rate.The much higher Arab birth rate.

The comparative decline of the first western world.

The bad economic situcation of the world since 2008.

The unstable Turkish economic and political situcation since 2013.

Türkiye's industry and science have grown a lot compared to 20 years ago but This era is full of crises and uncertainties.

 

[Ryder]

Everything changing day by day,

Yeniçeri were the super soldiers in 1500s but only a corrupt group in 1800s

After the end of Ottoman halife and the rich from the oil,the gulf arabs got big influence and power in later-20 century until now.

In this time, we have to consider how to restrict their influence and avoid the internal division of our people.

Wealth equals power.

Gulf Arabs have power because of their wealth.

Yeniceris were the super soldiers of their time but overtime their ranks swelled they became corrupt due to the enormous power they gained.

Yeniceris became their own political force with their own army. They were no longer bodyguards of the sultan they became the kings.

Yeniceris at their peak were like 5k to 20k soldiers. None of it went over that but over time their ranks swelled as they got Muslim families into the Ocak.

Sipahis too overtime lost their effectiveness as they began to recruit more non Turks. Sipahis were only for the Turks because the Turks lived and died for the Horse.

Turks, Mongols and the Huns were one of the finest horseman. Its no surprise how they blitzed everybody from battles, skirmishes and raids.

Only the invention of gunpowder the mass production of guns hailed the end of horse based armies.

 

[B_A]

Wealth equals power.

Gulf Arabs have power because of their wealth.

Yeniceris were the super soldiers of their time but overtime their ranks swelled they became corrupt due to the enormous power they gained.

Yeniceris became their own political force with their own army. They were no longer bodyguards of the sultan they became the kings.

Yeniceris at their peak were like 5k to 20k soldiers. None of it went over that but over time their ranks swelled as they got Muslim families into the Ocak.

Sipahis too overtime lost their effectiveness as they began to recruit more non Turks. Sipahis were only for the Turks because the Turks lived and died for the Horse.

Turks, Mongols and the Huns were one of the finest horseman. Its no surprise how they blitzed everybody from battles, skirmishes and raids.

Only the invention of gunpowder the mass production of guns hailed the end of horse based armies.

There is the reason that in the past,the argument about islam in Turkey was mostly between Turks and Turks.(or turkic speaking elites)

by now because the the decline of Türks birth rate,millions of refugee,and Gulf Arabs wealth,sometime that became a problem between Turkic and Arab.

Any situation are always different during times,in 1500s Russian wasn't a problem of Turks but 1800s was because their population grew up many times.

 

[Ryder]

There is the reason that in the past,the argument about islam in Turkey was mostly between Turks and Turks.(or turkic speaking elites)

by now because the the decline of Türks birth rate,millions of refugee,and Gulf Arabs wealth,sometime that became a problem between Turkic and Arab.

Any situation are always different during times

Turks, Arabs and Persians have always been rivals to each other in the Islamic World.

It was pretty common to have Turks vs Arabs, Arabs vs Persians and Persians vs Turks. Because they all want to control most of the Muslim World.

Its been like this for centuries. It was pretty common for 3 groups to ally with each other and also fight each other off.

Geopolitics 101.

 

[B_A]

Turks, Arabs and Persians have always been rivals to each other in the Islamic World.

It was pretty common to have Turks vs Arabs, Arabs vs Persians and Persians vs Turks. Because they all want to control most of the Muslim World.

Its been like this for centuries. It was pretty common for 3 groups to ally with each other and also fight each other off.

Geopolitics 101.

In the whole islamic world that was.espeaically in Egypt and Iran lands

But I meant in the core territory of late Ottoman and TC.Balkan and Anadolu.

Arab and Persians population was very low in these land until late 20 century.Balkan muslim and Turks domined this land hundreds years

 

[UkroTurk]

No offense, please not to be offended but:

Any opposition leader and politician doesn't have any chance unless he is from İstanbul.

IMO just a politician who was born in Istanbul, grown in Istanbul and took Istanbul's culture could deal with the problems of Türkiye.

There is Istanbul culture which gives a person different glance.

On the other hand Turkish public management culture comes from Ottoman palace. You cant feel it from other cities.

Look at Erdoğan why others can't stand against him. Because Erdoğan is Istanbuler...All others aren't from İstanbul. Kılıçdaroğlu, Bahçeli, Babacan, Özdağ,Akşener, Mansur Yavaş.

Just Being born in İstanbul won't make you President, but it is necessary.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1706756316289810769

As a side note, the example of the UK, globalization is forcing the whole of Europe into this structure.

But I think it is not a unilateral mechanism, it works both ways. It inevitably strengthens European conservatism. As in the case of Poland:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1707012235258651008

Basically, I think both examples serve the same purpose.


And, also these same days, Israeli PM Netenyahu's statement that Muslims are the real instigators of the Nazi genocide is also a political flaming that will have millions of takers in Europe, exactly in the vein of this post-modernist problem. I'm in an extremely lazy mood to write an article that puts these pieces together, but I think most of you know what I mean.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1707005900949463440

> Western occupation of eastern states
> Mass migration of eastern peoples to western states
> Globalist impositions under the name of integration and the rise of conservatism as a reaction mechanism
> Xenophobia out of control
> Xenophobia evolving into Islamophobia

>>>> The last step is about the evolution of all this into something centered on Turks, and a few other similar nations that have created and harmonized east-west synthesis throughout history. Bridges will collapse, thats what they want.

 

[Bozan]

4 million Syrians enter, 4 million turks leave. Balance!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1707326845291516131

 

[B_A]

Why these refugees don't go to Western countries too?

 

[I_Love_F16]

Why these refugees don't go to Western countries too?

Erdogan wants to keep them inside the country + Europe won’t allow new refugees, borders are closed for them.

 

[UkroTurk]

Yeah they lived in democracy in 10th century.

 

[TR_123456]

Turned into a religious debate again huh?

 

[Yasar_TR]

If you go back to 1st page 1st post, it says:

Post anything related to Turkish internal politics here. Internal policies, political parties, societal issues, etc.

What is being discussed here is mind boggling. Nothing to do with what you guys should be discussing. All off topic posts have been erased.

Stay strictly on topic please.

 

[Ryder]

Why these refugees don't go to Western countries too?

Refugees main aim has always been to reach developed rich Western countries.

Turkiye is just a transit point or a bridge to get into Europe.

With the EU deal, Turkiye is suppose to keep refugees at bay by not allowing them to get into the EU.

Certain countries have now been used as a refugee dumping ground. Turkiye, Rwanda, Pakistan, Morocco and Italy.

People also forget that third world countries also host lots of refugees.

Its a global crisis.

 

[Afif]

Refugees main aim has always been to reach developed rich Western countries.

Turkiye is just a transit point or a bridge to get into Europe.

With the EU deal, Turkiye is suppose to keep refugees at bay by not allowing them to get into the EU.

Certain countries have now been used as a refugee dumping ground. Turkiye, Rwanda, Pakistan, Morocco and Italy.

People also forget that third world countries also host lots of refugees.

Its a global crisis.

Amm, why do most people always forget about 1,2 million Rohingas in BD? Which at the time seems to be permanent.

 

[Bozan]

The AKP are testing the waters with this and backlash has been very, very low. Even Ozdag doesn't speak much. The unofficial youth structure of Zafer had many members arrested and they are not even mentioned in the news.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1708730233363317213

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1702775197810499942

They are arrested due to laws related to national security. Members of the youth structure had also made racist comments.

Also lol, this will increase their prison sentences:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709458366752280822

 

[UkroTurk]

The AKP are testing the waters with this and backlash has been very, very low. Even Ozdag doesn't speak much. The unofficial youth structure of Zafer had many members arrested and they are not even mentioned in the news.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1708730233363317213

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1702775197810499942

They are arrested due to laws related to national security. Members of the youth structure had also made racist comments.

Also lol, this will increase their prison sentences:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709458366752280822

Ümit Özdağ, Sinan Oğlan are puppets of Russianz. They will keep silence unless Putin and Erdoğan fight.