TR Politics

[Asena_great]

tribute to those who tried to protect us even before we were born

1st general erol özkasnak : we need to be always aware against those who want to blackened the age of enlightenment and bring the sharia law

2nd general : and they could say that the regime will change no matter what ( refering to şevki yılmaz MP of refah party ) and able to discuses whether this change will happen bloodless or bloody ( refering to necmettin erbakan victory speech )

3rd general Atilla Ateş : and they brought curse of irtica to Turkey which i believed to be supported by foreign elements. it is impossible to bring back Turkey to middle ages

3rd general Atilla Ateş : we were given great task to prevent and act on solution against any activity that shadowed our Republic and our Democracy. we all collectively need to be aware

4th general : Turkish armed forces are against irtica as long as Turkish armed force exist irtica cant come to turkey

5th general : we should keep threat of irtica continually in front of our eyes, in our mind. this subject is a subject that we need to continually be aware about it

6th general : the black curtain is drawn in middle of the room and women are one side and the valued friends ( islamist) and the other side the in front of a crowed that the their inner blackness now come to their face ( reviled ) we supposed to do the rank promotion ceremony. WE have no attention of abandoning Ataturk's way of thinking and the path that he drew for us. if among us ( officers ) there are those who in the sharia ideology then we will kick them out of the army and if there are people who want to forced us to this way of thinking, we will oppose them with all of our strength and fight them to the last drop of our blood

7th general : some of the have black Turban and circle beard with Green Flag ( Islamist ) and some of them in Revolutionary dress with yellow flag and red star ( PKK ) know this both of them drinking from same water source. the same source is feeding them. the have only one purpose. to beat the nation that they could beat in Dardanelles campaign

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[Bozan]

First of all, I must apologize for not immediately responding to your attack Frankly, I was shocked by the suddenness of this false statement. You are writing from England. Apparently, since you are a subject of the British king, you decided to apply the same to Azerbaijan.
Nope. Unlike you, I am a citizen of the republic. I live in a truly free country. And what the Financial Times writes and is repeated by the New York Times or simply the Times or, say, Figaro and Liberation are all false statements that there is an alleged dictatorship in Azerbaijan, where freedom is suppressed, people are arrested, killed, etc.
And all this is done intentionally. They want to keep us under constant pressure so they can have leverage over us.
Do you know where the accusation of so-called “Armenian genocide” was first made? In England! In 1916. That is, in the midst of a war in which England and the Ottoman Empire were the enemies. It was pure propaganda.
And everything went from there.
During any war, opponents invent all sorts of things for propaganda purposes. Let's say, the same liars, together with other equally shameless prostitutes from the media of other European countries, claim that we allegedly committed ethnic cleansing in Karabakh.
In fact, they don’t care about the Armenians, but in order to have a constant opportunity to put pressure on us, they blame us for this. Exactly as in the case of Turkey.
Let us note that and until the last war in Karabakh, the media of these countries blamed us even more than today. We were accused of all imaginable and unimaginable sins - from the suppression of freedom of speech to almost the murder of the prophet Jesus. Although our republic is only 33 years old That is, the age of Christ.
Now count: how many crimes against humanity have these “merciful” Christian countries committed over the past 33 years? And for 333 years?
If the Financial Times claims something, and then all the other Times repeat it, it simply shows that the “5 eyes” are working successfully, and not the ultimate truth.
Think: aren’t you one of the many millions of victims of Anglo-Saxon propaganda and the pan-European propaganda that joined it?

It was not an attack on you, I apologize if it seemed that way, Aliyev is an authoritarian like Erdogan, probably more authoritarian than Erdogan and the media is in his control

 

[Bozan]

https://balkaninsight.com/2024/05/09/turkeys-foreign-influence-agent-law-alarms-media-civil-society/

Seems we have a foreign agent law, a Russian law

“Those who work on behalf of another state and create public opinion against Turkey will be put under the spotlight. Influence spying will be included in the Turkish Penal Code as a crime,” Yeni Safak

That doesn't sound bad right? Wrong!

Article 339/A:
(1) Without constituting the crimes regulated in this section, those who research or commission research on Turkish citizens, institutions, or foreigners residing in Turkey in line with the strategic interests or instructions of a foreign state or organization, shall be sentenced to imprisonment for a term of three to seven years. If the act constitutes a crime other than those regulated in this section, the perpetrator shall be separately sentenced for both this crime and the relevant crime.
(2) If the act is committed during wartime or poses a risk to the state's preparations for war, its war activities, or military movements, the perpetrator shall be sentenced to imprisonment for a term of eight to ten years.
(3) If the crime is committed by individuals serving in units, projects, facilities, or services of strategic importance for national security, the penalty shall be increased by one fold.
(4) Prosecution for this offense shall be subject to the permission of the Minister of Justice.

Report on refugees or illegal immigrants ? Jail. Report on corruption? Most definitely jail. Report on human rights violations in a way that lets them say you acting in a way benefitting a foreign powers interest? JAIL!

Anything you criticize that can be harmful to Mr Erdogan's election chances can be construed as harmful to the state and in the benefit of a foreign power - jail!

 

[Iskander]

There is no doubt there are elements of progaganda involved to delegitimize Azerbaijan and create pressure and leverage. But two things can actually be true at the same time. From what I read so far, it seems Aliyev seems to be holding onto power illegally. Of course different parties could use this undemocratic nature of current state to advance their mulicious propaganda and delegitimize Azerbaijan's legitimate claims. But that doesn't mean, current undemocratic state of affair in Azerbaijan is untrue.

It probably depends on what country you're comparing us to.
We were a colony of Russia for almost 200 years. Everyone knows what democracy is in Russia. Life in the Soviet Union was not much different from prison.

In 1918, it was Azerbaijan, with the help of the Ottoman Empire, that for the first time in the East proclaimed a democratic republic. Ask when in democratic France (and not only there) women received the right to vote in elections. 30 years after us!
Our republic is only 33 years old. We declared our independence during the war!
By the way, the West blamed us most of all when we had democrats in power!
When Saddam occupied Kuwait, America sent an army of half a million across the ocean to punish the aggressor. And when Christian Armenia did the same, America imposed sanctions. No, not against the aggressor, but against us - the victims of aggression.
America hanged Saddam. But she told us to come to terms with military reality!
That is, this has absolutely nothing to do with democracy. This is more likely to do with the arrogance and meanness of these gentlemen than with democracy.
Today it is connected with our independent foreign policy and, of course, our religion

The United States, Russia and France, which, within the framework of the Minsk Group, acted as mediators in the proposed solution to the conflict. And it was these 3 countries that supported the aggressor Armenia for 30 years! Can you imagine? Moreover, all of them, and indeed the whole world, officially recognized Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan!!!
And these freaks supposedly want to see us as a democratic country?

After we liberated Karabakh from the occupation of Armenia, representatives of these three countries came to us.
And Aliyev simply kicked them out, with orders not to come here again...
It vas a slap in the face. White «gentlemen» have never been so humiliated. But what about?! If there is no fair trial in the world under American hegemony, it will collapse very soon.It was
look at the map. If we exclude Russia in the north and Iran in the south, then Azerbaijan is the only corridor to Central Asia for the West!
If you want to go through Russia, ask Putin.
Through Iran?
Beg the Ayatollahs of Tehran.
But if you want to pass through Azerbaijan, then you should not set conditions for us.
We will set conditions for you!!! Because this is our country, we don’t owe you anything,
and no one, under any pretext, can dictate to us.
That's what they need here, not democracy

 

[Asena_great]

before i start i need to make to definition of secularism and republic so our reader would be on the same page as we i am

what is secularism ??

secularism is from of social economic and political from of government. with secularism our way of life and government will be dictate not by religion's dogma but rather science and it has branch in politics economy education justice department military etc. a country can have secular population but none secular government and vice versa lets examine how secular our nation's mechanism are


1- politics ) in politics using religion for gain votes are banned in secular state and politician are forced to gather vote via economic and development plans. we hear president Erdogan repeatedly use religion the most iconic as using seccade in the last president ion election. like wise KK head of the so called Atatürk's party also said he is descended from prophet Muhammad to gain vote which was heavily banned back in 90s and army react harshly to anyone who vialote this ( in not even getting into tarikat staff)

2- economics ) economics is something that effect all of our every day life and its impervious that the economy should be govern by science and not religious dogma. recent years Erdogan said if they have dollar we have Allah when addressing economic problems. he also said it is haram in religion of Islam to raise interest rate. this is a clear indication of a islami economy instead of an economy that is govern by science

3- education ) in secular education we only teach what is based on science and not religions dogma. in recent years this government have remove evaluation theories because its contradict Islamic teaching of creation. moreover recently the education minister said we will continue to segin protocol with tarikats basically surrendering education to tarikat. since rectors of each university is chosen by erdogan they are complicent to his demand hence we see not only illegal tarikat dormitory didnt closed but KYK dormitory also surrender to them. beside all of this. as if this was not enough just like iran the foreign language course as well as art courses removed from curriculum and 16 hours of religions course along with Arabic language course were added. (why should turks learn Arabic language i wonder ) and also reduce the hours of sport. under the "çedes projesi" the tarikat sheiks are now alled to school to teach children from elementary and middle school

Mustafa Aydın rektor and the owner of aydin university speaking arabic student protesting it

the girls are not allowed to graduation ceremony because their dress are not islamic remember this is not imam hatip school but anadolu school
today what we have in turkey is not a secular education but an islamic one

4-military ) in a secular army, soilders fight for their motherland not for their religion and they are loyal to the chain of command and chief of general staff. today we saw how tarikt of fethullah gülenwith the help of erdogan enter the turkish army and they they stage a coup which was the first islami coup in Turkish history they were loyal not to the motherland and chain of command but to their tarikat and its sheik very similarly with islamization of the education system now army receiving low quality recruits as mete çetinel mentiond. moreover like the tarikat of fethullah gülen was not a lesson for the erdogan menzil tarikat is rasing fast in army.

here we see clearly many people in military that neither have love for motherland and want to destroy it nor they have any respect for chain of command and are loyal to their tarikt sheik in a way that janissary were and ottoman sultan had to bend over for them

5- justice department ) the justice system in secular government will be based on civilized law ( medeni kanun) and not any religions law including islamic law aka sharia law. a secular justice will keep its distance from all religion equally so it could enforce the medeni kanun with equality to all the citizens of a nation. how every today i see the existing law are used with religions purpose or better say creating parallel sharia law to constitution were people slowly but surely start self correcting themselves in sharia boundaries

top leve from left to right
1) professor celal şengöre saying Hz musa never existed in histry due to the fact that we never find name of musa and his pharos in any archeological site in Egypt nor in entirety of middle east and the only source for his existence exist on Abrahamic religion text. for his words he was called on court but islamist rule judiciary system

2) you probly remember the university studet ege aksoy who punch a guy in hilafet rally the thing is he was punch by one of the islamist in return tho ege was arrested the sharia loving islamst never arrested for punching him even tho it as captured in video

3) ahmet bostancı the guy who provocatively insulted Ataturk in the day that he past away not only didnt go t jail but in the court house his tarikat kinsmen start chanting sharia law will come to turkey which is illegal but nothing happened to them

lower part from left to right

1 ) erdem özveren aka götveren member of ismailağa tarikat he poste sharia is loading as well as posted happily how he cancelled 14 music consort both of these are illegal and indication of enforcment of sharia base life style by islamist on citizins of secular turkish republic

2) and the case of diamond tema. he was debating a sharia loving guy in youtube channel who said he accept quran hadis and sharia he also defended afghanistan as a closest country to true sharia. in return tema one by one in 2 hour video long break his argument and show the dirty part of sharia one by one by hadith his rival asri tok once said in turkey muslims dont have free down and one day when he can burn turkish flag without repercussions then we can say we are living in free country then diamond tema ask him in return whether it is allow in sharia country to burn the tavhid flag which he answer with smile . since asrin tok accepted hadis diamond read hadis were strong and sahih hadis state that prophet muhammed married his wife ayşa at age 6 and beded her at age 9 then ask asrin you who defend hadis do you find haveing sex with 9 years old a moral thing . islamist troll account in twitter took tat 10 second part of 2 hour long video began organsingly attacking diamond tema that he insulted their prophet without actually explaining what happened basically

yılmaz tunç twitte against both secularism and legal formality since diamond tema condemned without even a trail to defend himself also calling provokatif without evidence and mr tunç state our prophet which as meaning that the judiciary is bias for Muslims against irreligious people

for the reasons above we no longer have secular justce in turkey today we have only islami adalet

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[Asena_great]

republic is form of government that dived power so no one man could hold all the power for this reasons in a republic we have executive judicial and legislative branch in rome they have elect 2 consoule so they would never give consulship power to 1 man

executive is the goverment that that run the country

judicial is the branch that protect the law and determine who is in breaching of law

legislative is a branch that control the action of the government it can remove head of government or the ministry as well as passing new law that don't counterdic constitutions

today with the last referendum office of presidency can appoint minister without approval of parliament veto any law that parliament pass appoint or pass new laws without parliament vote and if parliament wants to remove president first they need 2/3 majority then motion will go to supreme court that the 13 judges out 15 judges is appointed by office of presidency. the president also appoint any judge at any time and any position. the office of presidency can also appoint head of central back the governors as well as remove any mayor from his office the president also elevated defense ministry over chief of general staff and any army movement and officer appointment should approve via office of president hence the rise of menzil tarikat generals. president appoint all the heads of universities and ...... i can go on forever the thing is republic is a system based on separation of power if you say we are living in one man system you are already admitting that you no longer live in a republic


edit : i also forgot to mention constitution Erdogan was elected president at 2014 and for the second term at 2018 however some how he can ignore constitution and run for the 3rd time in row for presidency. if you study the history of romen republic you will see that just right before the fall of the republic the laws become not important and politicians violate it left and right

 

[Asena_great]

i almost forget

Kadir İstekli marring to his 6 years old bride as accordance with buhari hadis about a guy who merried his wife of age 6

Yusuf Ziya Gümüşel in the right a manager in İsmailağa tarikat who did imam nikahı in secret away from government eye. this rezalet is a indicateter of a parallel government with sharia law in turkey now that parallel goverment is forcing us to live under its shadow

 

[BalkanTurk90]

What do u mean neither 'republi" neither secular? Most countries are republic like Islamic republic or secular republic . Islamic republic of pakistan vs french republic they are both republics.U can say what is ideology of Turkiye republic based ? On Religion one or in secular atheist one ??

 

[Asena_great]

What do u mean neither 'republi" neither secular? Most countries are republic like Islamic republic or secular republic . Islamic republic of pakistan vs french republic they are both republics.U can say what is ideology of Turkiye republic based ? On Religion one or in secular atheist one ??

republic is form of government that dived power so no one man could hold all the power for this reasons in a republic we have executive judicial and legislative branch in rome they have elect 2 consoule so they would never give consulship power to 1 man

executive is the goverment that that run the country

judicial is the branch that protect the law and determine who is in breaching of law

legislative is a branch that control the action of the government it can remove head of government or the ministry as well as passing new law that don't counterdic constitutions

today with the last referendum office of presidency can appoint minister without approval of parliament veto any law that parliament pass appoint or pass new laws without parliament vote and if parliament wants to remove president first they need 2/3 majority then motion will go to supreme court that the 13 judges out 15 judges is appointed by office of presidency. the president also appoint any judge at any time and any position. the office of presidency can also appoint head of central back the governors as well as remove any mayor from his office the president also elevated defense ministry over chief of general staff and any army movement and officer appointment should approve via office of president hence the rise of menzil tarikat generals. president appoint all the heads of universities and ...... i can go on forever the thing is republic is a system based on separation of power if you say we are living in one man system you are already admitting that you no longer live in a republic

this is my answer for your question as i said in republic 1 man cant hold all the power otherwise it will turn into dictatorships. the whole philosophy of republic is the separation of power and they have the 3 branches to achieve that

 

[mehmed beg]

Democratic secularism assures that , repeated offenders, low IQ and uninformed people have the same political rights as let's say a chief of police or university professor.
No true patriot and the right wing can let that the state which exists for a long time can be at the mercy of the various unknown people and especially if it is based in great deal on the things which are unfamiliar.
Prime example is America ,it all can be bypass if needs to be.
With Franco it never worked like that
He announced the last great and official crusade and he won and saved his country. All that with the help of 80 000 Moroccan Muslim volunteers.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

this is my answer for your question as i said in republic 1 man cant hold all the power otherwise it will turn into dictatorships. the whole philosophy of republic is the separation of power and they have the 3 branches to achieve that

After Turkiye change to Presidecial system ,Turkiye its just like USA . If USA is dictatorship than aslo Turkiye is the same

 

[Asena_great]

After Turkiye change to Presidecial system ,Turkiye its just like USA . If USA is dictatorship than aslo Turkiye is the same

the only thing 2 systems have in common is the fact that the head of government is elected by people other then that the have nothing in common

1) in republic if head of president want to appoint ministers, the minister need to gain trust vote of 50% from parliment otherwise he or she wont become minister in turkey president can do that without parliament approval. in case that a minister screw up parliament can summon the minister to parliament for questioning if he cant convince parliament then there will be voting for trust vote again and if ministers cant get 50% he or she will be removed from office. example of screw ups in recent years are Istanbul bombing which was internal minister's screw up and the Erzincan gold mine incident. in turkey no one but Erdogan can remove the ministers

2) it is duty of parliament to approve government's plan and pass law. for example if president wants to sell the country's soil to Qataris he need to convince the parliament he cant cat without parliament knowledge or hide his deals. the president cant pass new laws . however in turkey erdogan can pass new laws without parliament's vote he wont even reavlied his plan to parliament we even dont know how much of turkey is being sold to forginers

3) in case of government screw up if its big parliament can remove the president from power. in turkey it cant the motion go to superme court in which out 15 judges 13 of them is appointed by erdogan and can be remove ay any time beside Erdogan can veto their ruling so what's the point. as you can see in turkey parliment is powerless the only they can do is call for referendum

4) in republic judiciary judges are independent and their ruling cant be veto by anyone if their ruling against constitutions superime curt may over turn their ruling . in turkey Erdogan appoint not only supreme court judges but any juges and has vetor power to over turn their ruling. basically he as total power over judiciary

5)in a republics governors are appointed by elections in turkey erdogan appoints head of central back the governors


6) in republic only people or city council can remove the mayors in turkey erdogan can remove any mayor from his office

7) in republic president cant interfere in internal affires of army in turkey the president also elevated defense ministry over chief of general staff and any army movement and officer appointment should approve via office of president hence the rise of menzil tarikat generals. president appoint all the heads of universities


i can go on forever the thing is republic is a system based on separation of power if you say we are living in one man system you are already admitting that you no longer live in a republic

USA's regime is constitutional republic not a democracy

turkey was parliament democracy now its democratic dictatorships in which every 5 years people elect their dictators

@BalkanTurk90 tell me again where is the similarity between USA and Turkey's republics other then head of government elected by people ?? even this would be inaccurate since in USA one can lose popular vote but win the election via electoral vote

 

[Asena_great]

@BalkanTurk90 guess who overthrower the republic ?? it was democracy

 

[what]

1. This is a defense forum, politics should be contained to the politics thread.
2. Am I happy with how the country is evolving? No.
3. Is calling someone a Jew in a demeaning manner a bannable offence? Yes.

I will be locking this and move it to the politics thread.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

the only thing 2 systems have in common is the fact that the head of government is elected by people other then that the have nothing in common

1) in republic if head of president want to appoint ministers, the minister need to gain trust vote of 50% from parliment otherwise he or she wont become minister in turkey president can do that without parliament approval. in case that a minister screw up parliament can summon the minister to parliament for questioning if he cant convince parliament then there will be voting for trust vote again and if ministers cant get 50% he or she will be removed from office. example of screw ups in recent years are Istanbul bombing which was internal minister's screw up and the Erzincan gold mine incident. in turkey no one but Erdogan can remove the ministers

2) it is duty of parliament to approve government's plan and pass law. for example if president wants to sell the country's soil to Qataris he need to convince the parliament he cant cat without parliament knowledge or hide his deals. the president cant pass new laws . however in turkey erdogan can pass new laws without parliament's vote he wont even reavlied his plan to parliament we even dont know how much of turkey is being sold to forginers

3) in case of government screw up if its big parliament can remove the president from power. in turkey it cant the motion go to superme court in which out 15 judges 13 of them is appointed by erdogan and can be remove ay any time beside Erdogan can veto their ruling so what's the point. as you can see in turkey parliment is powerless the only they can do is call for referendum

4) in republic judiciary judges are independent and their ruling cant be veto by anyone if their ruling against constitutions superime curt may over turn their ruling . in turkey Erdogan appoint not only supreme court judges but any juges and has vetor power to over turn their ruling. basically he as total power over judiciary

5)in a republics governors are appointed by elections in turkey erdogan appoints head of central back the governors


6) in republic only people or city council can remove the mayors in turkey erdogan can remove any mayor from his office

7) in republic president cant interfere in internal affires of army in turkey the president also elevated defense ministry over chief of general staff and any army movement and officer appointment should approve via office of president hence the rise of menzil tarikat generals. president appoint all the heads of universities


i can go on forever the thing is republic is a system based on separation of power if you say we are living in one man system you are already admitting that you no longer live in a republic

USA's regime is constitutional republic not a democracy

turkey was parliament democracy now its democratic dictatorships in which every 5 years people elect their dictators

@BalkanTurk90 tell me again where is the similarity between USA and Turkey's republics other then head of government elected by people ?? even this would be inaccurate since in USA one can lose popular vote but win the election via electoral vote

Yeah yeah u convinced me and everybody, erdogan is so big dictator that ban himself to be re elected after 2 terms 5 + 5 years

1- In the United States, the president can use the veto power to prevent a bill passed by the Congress from becoming law
2- Has the power to convene one or both houses of Congress during extraordinary occasions, and when Congress cannot agree to adjourn has the power to adjourn them when he thinks the time is proper
- Aslo in all countries there is a backdor to bypass every law like declaring emergencies , those shitty laws we see very well during plan-demic corona virus that goverments around the world banned people to go out, Power that even Pharaohs or kings centuries ago didnt have .

 

[Asena_great]

Yeah yeah u convinced me and everybody, erdogan is so big dictator that ban himself to be re elected after 2 terms 5 + 5 years

1- In the United States, the president can use the veto power to prevent a bill passed by the Congress from becoming law
2- Has the power to convene one or both houses of Congress during extraordinary occasions, and when Congress cannot agree to adjourn has the power to adjourn them when he thinks the time is proper
- Aslo in all countries there is a backdor to bypass every law like declaring emergencies , those shitty laws we see very well during plan-demic corona virus that goverments around the world banned people to go out, Power that even Pharaohs or kings centuries ago didnt have .

şu an almanca oğreniyorum seninle mi uğraşicam anlayanlar anladı ( im currently learning german and have no time for you those who understand already got it )

 

[BalkanTurk90]

@BalkanTurk90 guess who overthrower the republic ?? it was democracy

democracy means the will of majority of people inside 1 country ,Thats mean Islamic republic of Iran is democratic because majority of its people create their own country like they want , Same for Faşist Italy or Nazizm Germany and All of them were/are better than zionist controlled coutries by world jew bankers
During Nazi Germany they make so many science and devices that even today we use like radyo ,TV , cars , etc etc
Those zionists that for themself stay in shadow and rule with dolls like ( Joe Bidden) they say to all heads of countries which dont have control , they call 'dictators' like with Putin ( BEST HEAD OF COUNTRY IN WORLD HISTORY,russians should be pround and lucky he is alive and head of their country)
The other is VIKTOR ORBAN , Another great ruling man that he come back after huge economic problem in hungary from zioinist puppets , Now with Erdogan , in reality i dont like to much erdogan i belive TURKIYE needs someone better but its funny to call him dictotor because some of west jew prapaganda

 

[Tonyukuk]

MHP "nationalist" party MPs son was caught trafficking refugees together with PKK

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1805140013589348476

 

[Bozan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1805251498764333517

MHP migrant smuggling refugees into the country

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1805138022758789192

Apparently with PKK terrorists ?

MHPKK

CHPKK

AKPKK

Round it goes

 

[Asena_great]

before i start i need to make to definition of secularism and republic so our reader would be on the same page as we i am

what is secularism ??

secularism is from of social economic and political from of government. with secularism our way of life and government will be dictate not by religion's dogma but rather science and it has branch in politics economy education justice department military etc. a country can have secular population but none secular government and vice versa lets examine how secular our nation's mechanism are


1- politics ) in politics using religion for gain votes are banned in secular state and politician are forced to gather vote via economic and development plans. we hear president Erdogan repeatedly use religion the most iconic as using seccade in the last president ion election. like wise KK head of the so called Atatürk's party also said he is descended from prophet Muhammad to gain vote which was heavily banned back in 90s and army react harshly to anyone who vialote this ( in not even getting into tarikat staff)

2- economics ) economics is something that effect all of our every day life and its impervious that the economy should be govern by science and not religious dogma. recent years Erdogan said if they have dollar we have Allah when addressing economic problems. he also said it is haram in religion of Islam to raise interest rate. this is a clear indication of a islami economy instead of an economy that is govern by science

3- education ) in secular education we only teach what is based on science and not religions dogma. in recent years this government have remove evaluation theories because its contradict Islamic teaching of creation. moreover recently the education minister said we will continue to segin protocol with tarikats basically surrendering education to tarikat. since rectors of each university is chosen by erdogan they are complicent to his demand hence we see not only illegal tarikat dormitory didnt closed but KYK dormitory also surrender to them. beside all of this. as if this was not enough just like iran the foreign language course as well as art courses removed from curriculum and 16 hours of religions course along with Arabic language course were added. (why should turks learn Arabic language i wonder ) and also reduce the hours of sport. under the "çedes projesi" the tarikat sheiks are now alled to school to teach children from elementary and middle school

Mustafa Aydın rektor and the owner of aydin university speaking arabic student protesting it


the girls are not allowed to graduation ceremony because their dress are not islamic remember this is not imam hatip school but anadolu school
today what we have in turkey is not a secular education but an islamic one

4-military ) in a secular army, soilders fight for their motherland not for their religion and they are loyal to the chain of command and chief of general staff. today we saw how tarikt of fethullah gülenwith the help of erdogan enter the turkish army and they they stage a coup which was the first islami coup in Turkish history they were loyal not to the motherland and chain of command but to their tarikat and its sheik very similarly with islamization of the education system now army receiving low quality recruits as mete çetinel mentiond. moreover like the tarikat of fethullah gülen was not a lesson for the erdogan menzil tarikat is rasing fast in army.

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here we see clearly many people in military that neither have love for motherland and want to destroy it nor they have any respect for chain of command and are loyal to their tarikt sheik in a way that janissary were and ottoman sultan had to bend over for them

5- justice department ) the justice system in secular government will be based on civilized law ( medeni kanun) and not any religions law including islamic law aka sharia law. a secular justice will keep its distance from all religion equally so it could enforce the medeni kanun with equality to all the citizens of a nation. how every today i see the existing law are used with religions purpose or better say creating parallel sharia law to constitution were people slowly but surely start self correcting themselves in sharia boundaries

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1) professor celal şengöre saying Hz musa never existed in histry due to the fact that we never find name of musa and his pharos in any archeological site in Egypt nor in entirety of middle east and the only source for his existence exist on Abrahamic religion text. for his words he was called on court but islamist rule judiciary system

2) you probly remember the university studet ege aksoy who punch a guy in hilafet rally the thing is he was punch by one of the islamist in return tho ege was arrested the sharia loving islamst never arrested for punching him even tho it as captured in video

3) ahmet bostancı the guy who provocatively insulted Ataturk in the day that he past away not only didnt go t jail but in the court house his tarikat kinsmen start chanting sharia law will come to turkey which is illegal but nothing happened to them

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1 ) erdem özveren aka götveren member of ismailağa tarikat he poste sharia is loading as well as posted happily how he cancelled 14 music consort both of these are illegal and indication of enforcment of sharia base life style by islamist on citizins of secular turkish republic

2) and the case of diamond tema. he was debating a sharia loving guy in youtube channel who said he accept quran hadis and sharia he also defended afghanistan as a closest country to true sharia. in return tema one by one in 2 hour video long break his argument and show the dirty part of sharia one by one by hadith his rival asri tok once said in turkey muslims dont have free down and one day when he can burn turkish flag without repercussions then we can say we are living in free country then diamond tema ask him in return whether it is allow in sharia country to burn the tavhid flag which he answer with smile . since asrin tok accepted hadis diamond read hadis were strong and sahih hadis state that prophet muhammed married his wife ayşa at age 6 and beded her at age 9 then ask asrin you who defend hadis do you find haveing sex with 9 years old a moral thing . islamist troll account in twitter took tat 10 second part of 2 hour long video began organsingly attacking diamond tema that he insulted their prophet without actually explaining what happened basically

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yılmaz tunç twitte against both secularism and legal formality since diamond tema condemned without even a trail to defend himself also calling provokatif without evidence and mr tunç state our prophet which as meaning that the judiciary is bias for Muslims against irreligious people

for the reasons above we no longer have secular justce in turkey today we have only islami adalet

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professor celal şengör give warning about civil war in turkey 6 years ago

i remember jorden peterson talk about leftist tactic on how they pull the over ton window which goes as follow

they made keep changing laws / life style until you raise your voice then they stop they wait after few years then they do it again until you raise your voice again than then they stop and repeat until you see everything that you once said in past that they wouldn't dare to change is already change and you have concaved many ground and they will keep coming back for more every few years

the tactic is executed so well in turkey, islamist never stopped. if you compare 2003 turkey with now its almost unrecognizable. we are almost already halfway through sharia law yılmaz tunç's action is harbinger of that and now they are forcing sharia law courses in law school to be compulsory

i think we are looking at civil war in next 5 to 10 years from now on. next referendum will be the spark for the mountain of gunpower