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Cant take a list seriously where mali and liberia are ranked above us also mexico where the cartels will cut your tongue for reporting about anything.

Not to say Turkey is doing fine but come on.
You only dont take that list serious because you dont like it, people like you were proudly sharing those list from same sources when things were going well years ago, now you reject it becasue you dont like how sad the truth about Turkey became.

Sry to burst your bubbles but Turkey went back several decades in all those issues that fact is not gonna change no matter how many exsamples you cherry pick and try to justify it.
You are part of the problem by defending the goverments policies in those issues and thanks to people like you its only gonna get worse until the tipping point is reached.

Sry if i ruined your weekend.
 

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We have become a country that the son in law of the president was the ministry of economy. I highly advise any of you to stop taking Turkey seriously.

We were a country to be taken seriously back in the day. Now we are a tribal tent state doing not much better than Somalia, Mali etc.

We had a large established bureucracy. Erdogan got rid of them calling them monşer and replaced them with imam hatip graduant street women with hijab without any qualifications. We have by luck seen the situation of our embassy in Netherlands in that crisis. The embasy of republic of Turkey is like a primary school parent-teacher association room. Street women wearing hijabs make pilav days, eat sarma etc. Erdogan got rid of all the ambassadors, bureucrats that were the accumuliation of this country calling them monşer and replaced them with these unqualified to even be garbageman people

and no wonder 3 million Armenia and 10 million Greece and stateless PKK is wiping the floor with us in terms of diplomacy!

How many scandals have we gone through? The backpedalling in the Brunson affair? Ver papazı, al papazı?

For any of these scandals one government would fall. In Akp not even one minister, one deputy resigned.

I am laughing my ass to those getting suprised seeing Turkey between Mali and Nigeria in these lists! What else did you expect? Those countries are doing sth too after all, they arent living in stone age. Of course if a country is so curious to go backwards constantly, eventually it was going to reach that point. Not just Erdogan since Suleyman Demirel, in fact since Adnan Menderes this nation always voted for the assholes, corrupt dipshits. This nation always esteemed the traitorous tariqahs.
Just watch those street interviews, why would there be a reason for Turkey to be stay above Mali? Is its people smarter? Anything dumber than what we see in those videos are called clinically retarded.
There was only one thing keeping this country float: what Erdogan calls Kemalist vesayet. There was an accumulated bureucracy that always managed to handle populist traitorous corrupt politicians this nation has chosen. Erdogan destroyed that and replaced them with Fetö and nowadays with other tariqah members.

What did you expect from a country ruled by a government obsessed with a religious ideology? A country that deteriorates its relations with other countries based on religion? How much can such a country survive in 21st century? Turkey even bared very long and we owe that to the Kemalisms accumulation up until now. If not for that we would have been worse than Syria and Afghanistan. A country is ruled with rationalism and pragmatism. Only rationalism and pragmatism. A country must be secular in todays neoliberal, modern world. There is no other option to this. There is no alternative to this. Otherwise the country will collapse or become a living hell for its people like all the other Muslim countries right now.

Dumbasses collapsed the economy, the education, the internet speed, the juridical system, the dignity and esteem of the country and he still goes on and instead of feeling shame and keeping it quiet bans alcohol, bans porn sites... He gives zero shit about how people are doing, all he cares about his ikhwanist, islamist ideology and he is willing to waste Turkey and its 83 million people to oblivion just to satisfy his ideological obsessions!


My sister and I are both in state universities. So I am aware of the situation in the academy. There is no Turkish academy! There is no university, there is no scientific progress in Turkey! Even if there happens to be an idealist person in any university(which there hardly is) there is no state fund to conduct researches! We might as well close all universities and profit from academician wages I am serious!


Government doesnt obey to supreme court. This is what Turkey has become.

Let that sink in for a moment. Turkey became a country that law does not apply anymore. You go on and make fun of Mali. We will fall behind them if this goes like this.
 
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Erdogan is detrimental....just parroting some letters given to him.


Today Erdogan answered "At the worst case i would be in Turkey" when journalists asked where will he spend the quarantine.

 

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Erdogan is detrimental....just parroting some letters given to him.


Today Erdogan answered "At the worst case i would be in Turkey" when journalists asked where will he spend the quarantine.

What the hell?
 

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No, Erdogan is not going to win election and his fanboys can not label all non Safavids as secular western puppets. The majority don’t want sharia in Turkey. Even they are willing to break Turkey apart before Secularists will rule Turkey again.
 

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Fear not! The red banner that ripples in this dawn, shall not fade,
Before the last hearth that is ablaze within my homeland is extinguished.
It is the star of my people, which shall shine;
It is mine; it only belongs to my people.

Frown not, I beseech thou, oh thou coy crescent!
Smile upon my heroic nation once!
What is this violence, what is this rage for?
Our blood which we shed for you shall not be worthy afterwards...
Freedom is the right of my God-worshipping people.


I can go on with the remaining 8 verses if you want.

2- I think your journey on learning classic Arabic was like your journey on learning English. Because I hardly can understand what you are saying.

3- ''Today standards will be different after 20 years, things today will be worse then before. So muslims should go accept that?''

Muslims will accept that. Then they will go on and reinterpret Islam and Qurans verses again to make it fit to their new lifestyle. For example if we will have go cannibal due to lack of food, some verse will be reinterpretted and they will say ''look it says islam is the religion of easyness so we are actually allowed to do this.''

In Ottoman Empire there was this term: hile-i şerriye. If sth had to be done, sth was needed but was against sharia, they would do it. For example interest is sin in islam. So there were these vakıfs: Para vakfı. They would literally do what a bank would do. History has again and again proved that if sth is economically or practically feasible neither morals nor culture nor religion stops humans. They do it.

Suleiman had promised he would never execute Ibrahim. Then he decided he wanted to execute him but he remembered his promise and ''tasked'' sheikh-ul islam to find a way that enabled him to execute Ibrahim without breaking his promise.

Sheikh-ul Islam goes through the entire Quran couple of times whole night, finally comes up with a completely made up, totally bullshit interpretion like if you sleep while your executioners kill him you will not be responsible for the act.

We all know this is bullshit. You give that order while you are awake, how is it not breaking your promise?

4- ''Lol wher is your culturel heritage?

Strong countries will pose ther culture as standard, today West tommorow looking the east. So your standard will be east after 10 years?''

My ''culturel'' heritage isnt Arab culture. I am Turkish.
That ''east'' didnt start surpassing west by following its confucianist doctrines. They modernised their entire country after ''the century of humiliation'' and adopted the education system and everything of the west. Even as of today thousands of Chinese students go to US universities to come back to their country with the knowledge they acquired from there. They came to today after copying and mimicking everything in the west.

China will not defend its seas with Kung fu, China will not produce its fighter jets with Confucianist doctrines. China isnt driven by Buddhist theological ideology.

5- ''Don't call me coward, looks like you are a coward with some complex with todays standards. If you want to talk with me stop with insulting other whise ther is no reason to talk with you.''

Yes, I have complex over hearing some Arabic shouting in my country five times in every day and I know for a fact that no Arab would ever accept hearing Turkish 5 times a day in their country neither. They see us as their enemies while we are being cuckolds for their language and culture.

I never insulted you. I spewed some facts, if you got offended by them, it was the facts that offended you not me.


You litterally raped it, so we come to mine point you can not translate it.

You are bashing mine English but look wtf you wrote on 3, just give the link.

You are Turkish but you are more western then Turkish, what is your cultural heritage then talking about being Turkish? You are not Arab thats for sure, but what are you? What makes you different then Western copy cat life style?
 

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You litterally raped it, so we come to mine point you can not translate it.

You are bashing mine English but look wtf you wrote on 3, just give the link.

You are Turkish but you are more western then Turkish, what is your cultural heritage then talking about being Turkish? You are not Arab thats for sure, but what are you? What makes you different then Western copy cat life style?
Nothing
 

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You litterally raped it, so we come to mine point you can not translate it.

You are bashing mine English but look wtf you wrote on 3, just give the link.

You are Turkish but you are more western then Turkish, what is your cultural heritage then talking about being Turkish? You are not Arab thats for sure, but what are you? What makes you different then Western copy cat life style?

1- ''You litterally raped it, so we come to mine point you can not translate it.''

It is a rock solid translation, it doesnt even lose the emotion which shouldnt even be important for Quran which is a text claiming to be a universal guidance for all humanity. Plus, who are you to say? Your English is obviously not good enough to judge how good a translation it is!

2- You say even in this post ''litterally'', ''mine point'', ''mine English''. Also the only grammar mistake there in 3 is a missing ''to'' between ''have'' and ''go cannibal''.

3- Ethnicities dont determine lifestyles. We live in a post modern, neoliberal, globalized world, whether you like it or not. This isnt a unique situation to Turks. Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Russian, American, Indonesian, Vietnamese teenagers all live with the same lifestyle. The only difference between nationalities is the language.

Even Ottoman Caliphs decided the empire should start copying the West. Nations from Far East decided the same thing. An island nation on the edge of Europe: England, completely invaded India! The factory and economy of the Earth. Then they went on with conquering China. So obviously they did sth right and everybody understood they must be copied or it is extinction! Japanese Emperor Meiji, Ottoman Sultan Caliph Abdulaziz all of them understood they have to copy Europe because they were obviously doing things right!

Everybody understood, the caliph of islam, the emperor of Japan everyone understood but the retrogressive ignorant retards of our country couldnt comprehend this in 500 years. Europeans f*d us. Even the Sultan Caliph admitted they f*d us. Battle after battle was lost. They f*d China, they f*d India. Europeans absolutely dominated the World. They proved themselves to be the ones on the right path in progression. They left everyone biting the dust.

If today China is catching them from behind, China is doing it not by following the Confucian doctrines, they are doing it by copycatting Europeans and Americans. They dont have retrogressive retards asking ''but what is our difference, but what is our difference?!?''

Repeating Qurans verses didnt, memorising Confucianist doctrines didnt grant anything useful. They were completely waste of time! Positive sciences and the liberal culture that allowed free thinking and critical, sceptic, secular thinking capabilities combined with uniter nationalism proved itself to be successful. Ottomans werent successful no. They lost. At the end of their journey they had to beg for mercy. They asked from their European overlords to continue ruling Anatolian Turks as shepherds, as the governors of Europeans.

If we managed to hold onto this remaining land in Anatolia it is all thanks to our copying skills of Europeans. I wish we could have copied them more.

''batının bilimini alacağız, ahlakını almayacağız''

Idiot! That science comes with that culture! Without it you sit on your ass. I wish we got that ''batının ahlaksızlığı'' in exchange of ''doğunun ahlaksızlığı''. I would prefer the former to latter at any day!

Long live the ''batının ahlaksızlığı''!!!!

Free LGBT or corrupt politician waving Quran in the meetings? I say you can even drill me if you want!!!

Anddd boy I am glad generation Z overwhelmingly thinks same as me! We will finally bury this dinosaur mentality under the dust!
 

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1- ''You litterally raped it, so we come to mine point you can not translate it.''

It is a rock solid translation, it doesnt even lose the emotion which shouldnt even be important for Quran which is a text claiming to be a universal guidance for all humanity. Plus, who are you to say? Your English is obviously not good enough to judge how good a translation it is!

2- You say even in this post ''litterally'', ''mine point'', ''mine English''. Also the only grammar mistake there in 3 is a missing ''to'' between ''have'' and ''go cannibal''.

3- Ethnicities dont determine lifestyles. We live in a post modern, neoliberal, globalized world, whether you like it or not. This isnt a unique situation to Turks. Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Russian, American, Indonesian, Vietnamese teenagers all live with the same lifestyle. The only difference between nationalities is the language.

Even Ottoman Caliphs decided the empire should start copying the West. Nations from Far East decided the same thing. An island nation on the edge of Europe: England, completely invaded India! The factory and economy of the Earth. Then they went on with conquering China. So obviously they did sth right and everybody understood they must be copied or it is extinction! Japanese Emperor Meiji, Ottoman Sultan Caliph Abdulaziz all of them understood they have to copy Europe because they were obviously doing things right!

Everybody understood, the caliph of islam, the emperor of Japan everyone understood but the retrogressive ignorant retards of our country couldnt comprehend this in 500 years. Europeans f*d us. Even the Sultan Caliph admitted they f*d us. Battle after battle was lost. They f*d China, they f*d India. Europeans absolutely dominated the World. They proved themselves to be the ones on the right path in progression. They left everyone biting the dust.

If today China is catching them from behind, China is doing it not by following the Confucian doctrines, they are doing it by copycatting Europeans and Americans. They dont have retrogressive retards asking ''but what is our difference, but what is our difference?!?''

Repeating Qurans verses didnt, memorising Confucianist doctrines didnt grant anything useful. They were completely waste of time! Positive sciences and the liberal culture that allowed free thinking and critical, sceptic, secular thinking capabilities combined with uniter nationalism proved itself to be successful. Ottomans werent successful no. They lost. At the end of their journey they had to beg for mercy. They asked from their European overlords to continue ruling Anatolian Turks as shepherds, as the governors of Europeans.

If we managed to hold onto this remaining land in Anatolia it is all thanks to our copying skills of Europeans. I wish we could have copied them more.

''batının bilimini alacağız, ahlakını almayacağız''

Idiot! That science comes with that culture! Without it you sit on your ass. I wish we got that ''batının ahlaksızlığı'' in exchange of ''doğunun ahlaksızlığı''. I would prefer the former to latter at any day!

Long live the ''batının ahlaksızlığı''!!!!

Free LGBT or corrupt politician waving Quran in the meetings? I say you can even drill me if you want!!!

Anddd boy I am glad generation Z overwhelmingly thinks same as me! We will finally bury this dinosaur mentality under the dust!


Translation have raped it, if thats you like it.

LoL..



The rest of your post is not worth to reply.. :D
 

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You litterally raped it, so we come to mine point you can not translate it.

You are bashing mine English but look wtf you wrote on 3, just give the link.

You are Turkish but you are more western then Turkish, what is your cultural heritage then talking about being Turkish? You are not Arab thats for sure, but what are you? What makes you different then Western copy cat life style?
This is rich when you are living in one of most liberal countries in the world. They are everything you despise yet you keep living there.
 
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The Turkish ladies were expelled from mosque by a someone with security.
Having been told " i have finished faculty of Theology" the man harrested her with the words" you are nothing".

 
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This is rich when you are living in one of most liberal countries in the world. They are everything you despise yet you keep living there.


LoL when ther was money in Turkey and crisis in Eu in 2008 you all people have lived good in Turkey you lived rich. Nobody in Eu cried like you people like now, 10 years later it is still not really good but people are happy not that they are rich. When ther was crisis i was her and i will always stay, i build my life.

Liberal, come and try say something to ther most sacred things and you will be punished. And you people will now what is to be like second grade citizen.
 

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Liberal, come and try say something to ther most sacred things and you will be punished. And you people will now what is to be like second grade citizen.
Can you give an exsample what kind of punishment you'd get in NL when you insult Jesus?
 

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1- ''You litterally raped it, so we come to mine point you can not translate it.''

It is a rock solid translation, it doesnt even lose the emotion which shouldnt even be important for Quran which is a text claiming to be a universal guidance for all humanity. Plus, who are you to say? Your English is obviously not good enough to judge how good a translation it is!

2- You say even in this post ''litterally'', ''mine point'', ''mine English''. Also the only grammar mistake there in 3 is a missing ''to'' between ''have'' and ''go cannibal''.

3- Ethnicities dont determine lifestyles. We live in a post modern, neoliberal, globalized world, whether you like it or not. This isnt a unique situation to Turks. Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Russian, American, Indonesian, Vietnamese teenagers all live with the same lifestyle. The only difference between nationalities is the language.

Even Ottoman Caliphs decided the empire should start copying the West. Nations from Far East decided the same thing. An island nation on the edge of Europe: England, completely invaded India! The factory and economy of the Earth. Then they went on with conquering China. So obviously they did sth right and everybody understood they must be copied or it is extinction! Japanese Emperor Meiji, Ottoman Sultan Caliph Abdulaziz all of them understood they have to copy Europe because they were obviously doing things right!

Everybody understood, the caliph of islam, the emperor of Japan everyone understood but the retrogressive ignorant retards of our country couldnt comprehend this in 500 years. Europeans f*d us. Even the Sultan Caliph admitted they f*d us. Battle after battle was lost. They f*d China, they f*d India. Europeans absolutely dominated the World. They proved themselves to be the ones on the right path in progression. They left everyone biting the dust.

If today China is catching them from behind, China is doing it not by following the Confucian doctrines, they are doing it by copycatting Europeans and Americans. They dont have retrogressive retards asking ''but what is our difference, but what is our difference?!?''

Repeating Qurans verses didnt, memorising Confucianist doctrines didnt grant anything useful. They were completely waste of time! Positive sciences and the liberal culture that allowed free thinking and critical, sceptic, secular thinking capabilities combined with uniter nationalism proved itself to be successful. Ottomans werent successful no. They lost. At the end of their journey they had to beg for mercy. They asked from their European overlords to continue ruling Anatolian Turks as shepherds, as the governors of Europeans.

If we managed to hold onto this remaining land in Anatolia it is all thanks to our copying skills of Europeans. I wish we could have copied them more.

''batının bilimini alacağız, ahlakını almayacağız''

Idiot! That science comes with that culture! Without it you sit on your ass. I wish we got that ''batının ahlaksızlığı'' in exchange of ''doğunun ahlaksızlığı''. I would prefer the former to latter at any day!

Long live the ''batının ahlaksızlığı''!!!!

Free LGBT or corrupt politician waving Quran in the meetings? I say you can even drill me if you want!!!

Anddd boy I am glad generation Z overwhelmingly thinks same as me! We will finally bury this dinosaur mentality under the dust!
Look, its ok if u dont believe in Islam, ur opinion. But u cant talk bad about islam or any religion, u have to respect! Not everybody has to think like u, so they arent automatically sheeps or sheperds. U are free to do ur Opposition Propaganda and the other side can also do it. But if u dont respect, u will not see respect. Look at the democracy of the western 70 years ago, then u will see what the western is. Islam is holy for us turks, also for our ancestors and they proudly fought for it. Im also glad to know that not all of the "Z kuşaği" like u said, are thinking like u. Not the western is the real danger for Turkey, its the "Mankurtism".
Turks dont exist just for 100 years, we have our traditions. So respect the holy things of people and they will also respect urs.
 
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Look, its ok if u dont believe in Islam, ur opinion. But u cant talk bad about islam or any religion, u have to respect! Not everybody has to think like u, so they arent automatically sheeps or sheperds. U are free to do ur Opposition Propaganda and the other side can also do it. But if u dont respect, u will not see respect. Look at the democracy of the western 70 years ago, then u will see what the western is. Islam is holy for us turks, also for our ancestors and they proudly fought for it. Im also glad to know that not all of the "Z kuşaği" like u said, are thinking like u. Not the western is the real danger for Turkey, its the "Mankurtism".
Turks dont exist just for 100 years, we have our traditions. So respect the holy things of people and they will also respect urs.

*Proceeds to live in the most Turkophobic and Islamophobic European country*

World hasnt seen a greater hypocrisy than gurbetci Akp supporters. Nobody in Turkey takes you people seriously. You people are the national laughing stock. Number one meme material. You people are such stereotypes, Efe Aydals ''Hans Bilal'' youtube series, this is what generation Z watches:


You dont get to teach us nationalism. We didnt escape from our country. I am not a fan of ''who is the patriot'' type of arguements but if you go from there, I will surely defend myself: We didnt choose to live in places where people dislike us just to be more wealthy. You did this. You said I am willing to be in a place where people hate me just because it is more profitial. You both live in one of the most Turkophobic and Islamophobic European countries and you try to preach me over Turkish national values. No, you dont get to do that. They literally have a statue of an Austrian stepping onto a Turk in Austria! You pay taxes to this country!
and you come to my face and preach me over national values???

Akp fucks up the country for its ideological islamist obsessions. You, from over there, because it satisfies your ideological obsessions, applause Akp while also enjoying your life in a wealthy European democracy while we suffer the economical consequences of Akps irrational politics not you! and when we get angry and criticise the situation? You accuse us of not being patriotic?!?

Your kind is the number 1 meme material among generation Z!
 

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LoL when ther was money in Turkey and crisis in Eu in 2008 you all people have lived good in Turkey you lived rich. Nobody in Eu cried like you people like now, 10 years later it is still not really good but people are happy not that they are rich. When ther was crisis i was her and i will always stay, i build my life.

Liberal, come and try say something to ther most sacred things and you will be punished. And you people will now what is to be like second grade citizen.

Same goes for you.

You criticise us for wishing to live like Europeans, accusing us of being degenerates........from a European country.

Words arent enough. Words arent enough. Truly.
 

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