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I wholeheartedly agree
It is kinda strange that all of these events are happening recently after the major announcement of an operation by Erdogan
Naked ppl having sex and naked ppl running on highways...... and all of this is in Istanbul..... this is literally the HDP pricks stimulating shit up in order to stop the operation since it will kean that the HDP will lose a major source of connection with the PKK in Syria and they already lost Iraq!

One of my turkish friends, an anti-AKP, always said that it is was a mistake to give Istanbul to Imamoglu to rule. He would be happy if some1 like Yavas were to rule Istanbul but kept saying that Imamoglu is literally a young kilicdaroglu and even more scarier than him. In fact, he is one of those who influenced my view on Imamoglu and now I can see why Imamoglu is a mistake

Seriously not surprised that this happened in Istanbul.

If you went further into Turkiye they would literally beat the shit out of you if you did this.

Regardless if its a conservative or a kemalist.
 

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Even in Izmir they will beat the shit out of you despite its liberal mind. Last week they almost killed a transexual at the street in Izmir because he showed his ass.

Istanbul, Fatih's legendary capital, is heavily infested with leftwingers, liberals, marxists, socialists and gays.
 

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Even in Izmir they will beat the shit out of you despite its liberal mind. Last week they almost killed a transexual at the street in Izmir because he showed his ass.

Istanbul, Fatih's legendary capital, is heavily infested with leftwingers, liberals, marxists, socialists and gays.

There is something called common courtesy.

Funny hows and gays and trannies forget this but instead are too busy showing their degeneracy.

Then they wonder they get beat up.

There are children and not everybody wants to see your ass or being naked.

In Australia you went around showing your private parts you will get arrested on the spot for breaking laws.
 

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You are talking about globalisation. What akp is doing is nothing new its a global trend.

People are now allowing immigration to any country its not as restrictive as it was before.

Australia once had the white australia policy.

People are mixing races and ethnicities even more today than the past.

People are now longer isolating themselves for their own people.

Its all thanks to capitalism and need for cheap labour.

But Australia does have a good border policy, that’s the difference. They won’t allow someone with criminal records for example. They will check every single bits of your past to see if you deserve to live in Australia, what can you bring to the country, etc. In Turkiye it feels like there are no border at all. Hell last time they did find ISIS leader who was hiding in Istanbul.

You will never see that kind of shit happen in Australia.
 

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But Australia does have a good border policy, that’s the difference. They won’t allow someone with criminal records for example. They will check every single bits of your past to see if you deserve to live in Australia, what can you bring to the country, etc. In Turkiye it feels like there are no border at all. Hell last time they did find ISIS leader who was hiding in Istanbul.

You will never see that kind of shit happen in Australia.

Open borders i dont support that of course neither illegal immigration.

Turkiye open border policy was made worse when they signed that eu deal.

Instead of allowing these illegals to traverse they all stayed in Turkiye.

Akp is basically happy being the eus security guard which is embarassing.

Most likely that money is being embezzled while eu did not honour the deal.
 

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Seriously what im surprised about is how Yemen is the poorest country has been for decades and has lived through tribal conflicts along with communist rule while at the same time its locked in a civil war and a proxy war.

This would lead to a enormous refugee crisis with Yemenis leaving by millions.

What is surprising it has not happened at all while full grown men are fleeing from Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Yemenis are tough nuts to crack no wonder every empire struggled to control this land.

Yemenis even kicked Egyptians asses.

Does qat give these people superhuman powers or something?
 

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Seriously what im surprised about is how Yemen is the poorest country has been for decades and has lived through tribal conflicts along with communist rule while at the same time its locked in a civil war and a proxy war.

This would lead to a enormous refugee crisis with Yemenis leaving by millions.

What is surprising it has not happened at all while full grown men are fleeing from Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Yemenis are tough nuts to crack no wonder every empire struggled to control this land.

Yemenis even kicked Egyptians asses.

Does qat give these people superhuman powers or something?
Firstly, most of Yemenis dont go to Turkey or Europe but mainly Egypt, Sudan, Oman, KSA, and UAE

Secondly, the yemeis cant escape from Yemen since they are trapped. KSA kills and destroy any car that enters Saudi bordee if they arent from the army, literally! The same goes with other gulf states. The other option is through the sea but even that is difficult since Iranian-backed militias are keeping the refugees as hostages to be used against the govt forces
 

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Firstly, most of Yemenis dont go to Turkey or Europe but mainly Egypt, Sudan, Oman, KSA, and UAE

Secondly, the yemeis cant escape from Yemen since they are trapped. KSA kills and destroy any car that enters Saudi bordee if they arent from the army, literally! The same goes with other gulf states. The other option is through the sea but even that is difficult since Iranian-backed militias are keeping the refugees as hostages to be used against the govt forces

They can escape to be honest.

But it seems they dont. Only a few leave.
 

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Well, after the elections everything will be over. No TFX, no Altay, no Hisars or Milgems anymore.

If the coalition of nitwits win, none of them will continue the domestic militairy industry. Because they are all pro-European and Europe hates our defence industry.
 

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Well, after the elections everything will be over. No TFX, no Altay, no Hisars or Milgems anymore.

If the coalition of nitwits win, none of them will continue the domestic militairy industry. Because they are all pro-European and Europe hates our defence industry.
Majority of the people involved are opposition voters. The groundworks for the defence industry is laid before akp.
It's erdogan who is purging and doing coups against the TSK for 20 years. Ergenekon, Balyoz and 2015.
 

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Majority of the people involved are opposition voters. The groundworks for the defence industry is laid before akp.
It's erdogan who is purging and doing coups against the TSK for 20 years. Ergenekon, Balyoz and 2015.
What nonsense is this. Who are you kidding, they are just words. No, it started 20 years ago. What was done 20 years ago? Isn't the opposition with those who speak out against defense industry companies and oppose them? For example, HDP is one of the opposition's biggest partners. I wish you success with a defense minister from HDP. In fact, lists have already been prepared. If they come to power, the opposition will throw anyone who speaks against the government in jail.I'm not saying this. The opposition says.
 

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What nonsense is this. Who are you kidding, they are just words. No, it started 20 years ago. What was done 20 years ago? Isn't the opposition with those who speak out against defense industry companies and oppose them? For example, HDP is one of the opposition's biggest partners. I wish you success with a defense minister from HDP. In fact, lists have already been prepared. If they come to power, the opposition will throw anyone who speaks against the government in jail.I'm not saying this. The opposition says.
Ümit Özdağ follows defence accounts on Twitter. He is also a militarist. You shouldn't put all opposition in the same bag.

BTW if you think that CHP or İP will cancel defence projects you are wrong. You say that they are allied with HDP, yet you ignore the fact that AKP was allied with FETÖ and made peace with PKK. They literally has meetings in the ssouth-east where Erdoğan was on stage with PKK supporters.

AKP has about %30 diehard voters who won't vote for anyone else. The 6 party alliance needs every Kurdish vote they can get, sadly that means playing it nice with HDP.

Don't forget that Erdoğan promised a Kurdish state under the Great Middle East project. Who are you to trash the opposition when your beloved Erdoğan promised them a state with Diyabakir as the capital?

Back to the defence industry. It was rekindled in the 70s during the crisis in Cyprus. By the 90s we were making armoured vehicles and short range ballistic missiles. Aselsan led the way with electronics which have played a key role across land, air and sea assets. It was founded back in 1975. Turkish Aerospace, in 1973. Many other companies were started decades ago. "Oh but we are making bigger progress now"... Well it's because knowledge accumulates and manufacturing capabilities expand as time goes on. You cannot build a solid defence industry overnight. Stop attributing the defence industry's success to politicians, and start giving credit to the university students who made this all possible.
 

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Should we ignore the CHP because of AKP's mistake? And I'm pretty sure they will cancel a lot of projects. I have nothing to do with or criticize Umit Ozdag. I like some of his ideas, but he's not playing for the presidency.
 

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Ümit Özdağ follows defence accounts on Twitter. He is also a militarist. You shouldn't put all opposition in the same bag.

BTW if you think that CHP or İP will cancel defence projects you are wrong. You say that they are allied with HDP, yet you ignore the fact that AKP was allied with FETÖ and made peace with PKK. They literally has meetings in the ssouth-east where Erdoğan was on stage with PKK supporters.

AKP has about %30 diehard voters who won't vote for anyone else. The 6 party alliance needs every Kurdish vote they can get, sadly that means playing it nice with HDP.

Don't forget that Erdoğan promised a Kurdish state under the Great Middle East project. Who are you to trash the opposition when your beloved Erdoğan promised them a state with Diyabakir as the capital?

Back to the defence industry. It was rekindled in the 70s during the crisis in Cyprus. By the 90s we were making armoured vehicles and short range ballistic missiles. Aselsan led the way with electronics which have played a key role across land, air and sea assets. It was founded back in 1975. Turkish Aerospace, in 1973. Many other companies were started decades ago. "Oh but we are making bigger progress now"... Well it's because knowledge accumulates and manufacturing capabilities expand as time goes on. You cannot build a solid defence industry overnight. Stop attributing the defence industry's success to politicians, and start giving credit to the university students who made this all possible.
This is the problem here mate
The opposition alliance is just way too broken rn.... all of them have their own goals and are just allying to topple Erdogan; but what after that? The ppl here are just looking at the half of the cup that is full and is ignoring the rest in terms to their viewpoint of the opposition

Firstly, Baykar said before that any nation's military industry can be toppled no matter how advanced it is as long as there is no political will in an interview. After the AKP goes and the oppositon frgaments again, no party will have the majority and most will try to suck up to the HDP (just like what they are doing now) and I re-iterate how one of those assholes said that Turkey is producing weapons of war and murder within the Turkish parliament itself. So if you are asking me whether the CHP or iYi can destroy a nation's defense industry, then the answer is Yes! If CHP or iYi gets to rule, then the AKP is better alternative but if Umit Ozdag wanna rule, then I say lets give the guy a chance but the current political spectrum is way too polarised tbh.

Secondly, I agree that not all of the opposition is bad; as you have said, Umit Ozdag is actually against the AKP but he isnt with the CHP or iYi due to many reasons, as you know. However, Umit Ozdag doesnt have the sufficient popularity to win in 2023 (he needs a miracle tbh). He may win in 2029 though. Moreover, Umit Ozdag is tooo pure and those who are too pure are easily corrupted

Finally, Yes, most of the Turkish companies doing amazing work rn are actually founded during the 1980s or the 1970s; however, that is no excuse for the delay of more than 40 years FFS! The technology of engines or software wasnt new at the time and they could have nationalised it if they wanted to but I bet that some "foreign" powers didnt like that and actually gave orders to the ruling parties the time to hinder their progress. For example, the Altay tank was planned to have a german engine in 2016 yet it was cancelled. Erdo announced plans to develop a domestic engine and we saw it getting fired in 2021 or early 2022; thus, a period of 5 to 7 years to develop an engine from scartch! Why did a company like BMC which hasnt even been founded for even a decade manage to develop an engine in 7 years while other companies couldnt? Does this mean that TAI or Aselsan are inferior? The asnwer is NO! the only difference is that there was political will to actually do these stuff. TEI only took 2 years to finish the design nstudies of teh brandnew TF-6000 and yet we needed 40+ years to nationalise the tech for TS-1400 even though TEI was co-producing F16? Insnaity, the math just doesnt add up here

You are 100% right on the fact that Erdo didnt do shit for the defense industry. The true legends are the engineers who actually make such dreams come true but Erdogan is the one providing political will and is resisting and getting sanctioned by literally most Western countries for supporting the development of such systems till this day. Just look at the massive propaganda against Turkish weaponry and you will get what I mean

I still remember one member who said b4 that Osman Kavala used to supply the military with weapons and equipments in the early days; thus, my question is how does a philantrophist who hasnt even established a company for less than a decade (if he even did establish one) get the right or even tech to supply weaponry to TSK while ASELSAN or TAI that were founded in the 80s and 70s were present at the time


I dont wanna be an extreme AKP fan but if me rejecting the AKP because they used to collude with FETO and PKK and replacing them with those who are ACTUALLY STILL COLLUDING with such factions; then my brain is simply dead

Erdogan is an asshole tbh; but at the very least is a patriot and not a liberal piece of shit (sorry for the language guys)

I can write 5 days worth of articles shitting on Erdo and the mistakes he did but that doesmt mean that I support getting those shitty PKK back into the turkish political scene again tbh; thus, if any of the iYi or CHP's candidates other than Yavas (even though I have some doubts as other factions within the CHP may put pressure on the decent guy) and Ozdag, then the priority should just go to Erdogan
 
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Ümit Özdağ follows defence accounts on Twitter. He is also a militarist. You shouldn't put all opposition in the same bag.

BTW if you think that CHP or İP will cancel defence projects you are wrong. You say that they are allied with HDP, yet you ignore the fact that AKP was allied with FETÖ and made peace with PKK. They literally has meetings in the ssouth-east where Erdoğan was on stage with PKK supporters.

AKP has about %30 diehard voters who won't vote for anyone else. The 6 party alliance needs every Kurdish vote they can get, sadly that means playing it nice with HDP.

Don't forget that Erdoğan promised a Kurdish state under the Great Middle East project. Who are you to trash the opposition when your beloved Erdoğan promised them a state with Diyabakir as the capital?

Back to the defence industry. It was rekindled in the 70s during the crisis in Cyprus. By the 90s we were making armoured vehicles and short range ballistic missiles. Aselsan led the way with electronics which have played a key role across land, air and sea assets. It was founded back in 1975. Turkish Aerospace, in 1973. Many other companies were started decades ago. "Oh but we are making bigger progress now"... Well it's because knowledge accumulates and manufacturing capabilities expand as time goes on. You cannot build a solid defence industry overnight. Stop attributing the defence industry's success to politicians, and start giving credit to the university students who made this all possible.
One of main pillars of current CHP is an exposed(during wikileaks) CIA agent Sezgin Tanrıkulu which nicknamed "İHA Sezgin" by Turkish internet users. But why people called him İHA Sezgin what is İHA even means? İHA is simply İnsasız Hava Aracı , aka. Unmanned Aerial Vehicle in Turkish. Why people nicknamed this exposed CIA agent as "UAV Sezgin" ?

Because during Operation Spring Shield when military was kicking PYD out of Afrin this guy come out and literally said "Turkish state shouldnt use UCAVs to kill PYD members in Syria its againts human rights."



Its safe assume all UCAV development programs will share fate of Devrim Arabalari and their development will stop after CHP led Opposition Alliance wins 2023 elections.

Again Sezgin Tanrıkulu(İHA Sezgin) one of main pillars of current CHP alongside Canan Kaftancıoğlu(Kanas Canan).

You guys simply can not bury this truth by making pathetic mobbing attempts towards anyone ciriticize CHP constantly accusing people with being AKPeon and advising people to ignore X person in an attempt to silence said person.Prove my claims wrong if you can.
 

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Majority of the people involved are opposition voters. The groundworks for the defence industry is laid before akp.
It's erdogan who is purging and doing coups against the TSK for 20 years. Ergenekon, Balyoz and 2015.

Yes the groundwork only, but there was no heavy investments or heavy R & D. You can lay groundworks all you want, but if you dont have the balls to continue the framework and grap the fruits, you dont have shit.

I can also lay the groundwork for a spacemission by buying astronaut-clothes from the internet, but if i dont build a rocket, i can wait till the end of times.
 

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@guest12 (can't reply to your post because there's no writing)

I agree that this guy is terrible. I get that CHP is trying to get Kurdish votes, but this guy is a straight up traitor.

That said, I still stand by my views. Unless HDP won, military programs would continue as expected. If ZP won, they would likely get boosted.
 

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@guest12 (can't reply to your post because there's no writing)

I agree that this guy is terrible. I get that CHP is trying to get Kurdish votes, but this guy is a straight up traitor.

That said, I still stand by my views. Unless HDP won, military programs would continue as expected. If ZP won, they would likely get boosted.
You really need to see HDP twitter page mate; then you will understand what we mean
 

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