TR Politics

[Angry Turk !!!]

Turkey doesn't need to actively fuck such countries to be taken seriously.
It bothers them more when they are ignored, everyone knows that Greece are absolute cowards who hide behind other countries and they know that best themselves.
Countries that really have capacity and are powerful don't bark.
Nor do they go to other countries and beg for these or those (weapons) not to be delivered to Turkey.

I agree but the point still stands. Turks need to become stronger, more vicious in their mindset. More united against EVERY danger to the Country.

China is a good example.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I agree but the point still stands. Turks need to become stronger, more vicious in their mindset. More united against EVERY danger to the Country.

China is a good example.

Then I'll quote myself:

Erdogan is not the ideal politician for Turkey and yes he is running a one man show, and yes he is an autocrat like Trump, Putin & Xi Jinping.
But for me he is MOMETANELY without alternative the other politicians are lame ducks, they have no foreign policy expertise, you would play ping pong and 7D chess with them in international politics and their own dynamics and complexities at the same time and Imamoglu would always be the loser or would bend. Erdogan is more resistant because he has created a network of foreign policy ties and dependencies over two decades. I simply don't trust Imamoglu to be able to protect Turkish interests in the long term.
Then Charisma and an understanding of democracy alone will not be enough to keep Turkey afloat internationally.

Imamoglu would have or would work in peacetime to build a foundation in Turkey.
But we are seeing a turning point in history, with power blocs shifting or dissolving. The USA no longer wants to share power and no longer wants to play world police, it has become a hard-nosed transaction-based government, China is on a confrontational course with the USA. Russia is playing its own game with Europe. The world has never been so insecure and destabilized as it is now as a whole power structure.

But you all know better than I do, and I'm on the wrong track.....

 

[what]

Democracy is a complete farce. Thoroughly vulnerable to manipulation by foreign entities, and internal interest groups. Prone to demagoguery.

The Chinese say it best that every country needs to formulate political structures which fit their context. Turks for example, imo, should have a government centered on military dictatorship / tutelage. The best Turks will always materialize in a soldiers uniform, not in a politicians suit.

its always funny when someone speaks like that while living the best countries such as, let me check.. Canada.

 

[Barry]

Greeks basing their entire cultural and social existence on their hate of Turks is great tbh. Not even a loving wife thinks of her husband as much as the Greek thinks of the Turk.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

AKP is trying to send in far-left provocateurs to delegitimize the protests.. getting super desperate

 

[Tabmachine]

its always funny when someone speaks like that while living the best countries such as, let me check.. Canada.

Yeah, Canada. You may not know about Canada, but just about no one here considers this country to be well governed. A bunch of incompetents are slowly but surely driving this country into the ground at both the Provincial and Federal level.....

Capitalism drives prosperity, albeit imperfectly. Democracy doesn't even exist in a country like Canada, its just a carefully managed rubber stamping and consent-gathering process while most of the decisions regarding resource allocations take place in the private sector.

 

[Iskander]

Who the fuck gave this an "excellent post" rating and why are they a TTA?

I do not participate in discussions concerning Turkey's internal affairs. I am not a Turkish citizen, so I avoid discussing Turkish politicians, especially opposition ones. I consider it inappropriate. I fully agree with our colleague's post about Turkey's foreign policy. By the way, if you do not know, we act in concert with Turkey on many foreign policy issues.
This is a forum. Here everyone can share their thoughts and evaluate the opinions of others.

(Surağınızdın ekinşi böliqi mağan arnalmağan. Sondıktan, ruksatınız bolsa, jayapsız kaldıramın)

 

[GoatsMilk]

You can't turn a secular nation into one ruled by sharia law overnight. That worked in Iran with the efforts of western intelligence, but would never work in Türkiye due to multiple factors, one of which was and still is to a small extent, the military.

Why do you think the CIA made FETÖ creep into the military?

Erdoğan has been slowly chipping away at secularism, but has failed. The population, the youth in particular, is too well educated in the age of the internet. Erdoğan removed subjects such as evolution from school curriculums and replaced them with mandatory religious subjects... but this backfired and youth wants nothing to do with Islam.

The overwhelming majority of ethnic Muslim Turks are secular minded people, they really don't believe in religion being forced on anyone. Even when you look at the Ottoman empire, despite being the Caliphate and leader of the Islamic world there was next to no efforts to force anyone non-Muslim to become Muslim, outside the Sultans personal bodyguards.

This is a primary reason why the Turkish state has been flooded with many MENA type peoples, these people are far easier to manipulate and drag into a sharia state.

Just look at the damage done to the republic in allowing millions of Kurdish refugees into the nation over the last 40 years? 2 to 4 million Kurds flee Iraq into Turkiye, they they start calling that land Kurdistan and become affiliates to the PKK terrorists. Could you imagine if such a thing took place in the EU, a million italians cross into France and then start calling the parts they reside in Italy or vice versa.

 

[TheInsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904821804759212112

Good political insight which i %100 agree.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Türkei: Die Freiheit Europas wird auch in der Türkei verteidigt

Hunderttausende demonstrieren in der Türkei gegen Ekrem İmamoğlus Verhaftung, sogar in der Heimat von Präsident Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Sie alleinzulassen, wäre fatal.

www.zeit.de

Erdoğan wants to give democracy the rest. Brussels and Berlin can and must do something about this.

You have to be careful not to lose track of things at the moment. Constant demonstrations, democracy is always under pressure somewhere. In Israel, Serbia, even the USA. And every day the anxious question: when will democracy topple? In Turkey, there is now an answer: now!

You don't have to come up with Western values or morals to make this diagnosis. Leaving aside everything, the protection of minorities, freedom of the press and all the other liberal achievements, democracy means at the very least: an incumbent must be able to lose an election. Otherwise democracy is lost. That is the situation in Turkey.

The arrest of Ekrem İmamoğlu, the mayor of Istanbul and the most dangerous challenger to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has only one aim: to prevent Erdoğan from losing the next election. This is what distinguishes this arrest from the many others that have preceded it. This time, the fate of the president himself is at stake.
It is hardly understood in this country how upright millions of Turks are defending themselves
Hundreds of thousands are now demonstrating in Turkey against İmamoğlu's arrest. At great personal risk, despite assembly bans and police violence. On Sunday, İmamoğlu was chosen as his party's presidential candidate in a symbolic act. Long queues formed outside the polling stations of the CHP, Atatürk's party. Old people came with walkers, with artificial oxygen under their arms. And the young came.
It is said that 15 million votes were cast for İmamoğlu. It is hardly understood in this country how upright Turkish society is in opposing its president. There are few things it despises as much as attempts to steal elections. The leader of the CHP said of İmamoğlu: "He is on his way to prison and he is on his way to becoming president."

There is a Turkey beyond Erdoğan. And this Turkey will still be there when the president has disappeared at some point. Europe not only has a moral obligation to these millions of people who are fighting for a free life - it would also be strategically unwise to leave them alone now. This is particularly true for Germany with its millions of people of Turkish origin. Concerns about the end of freedom are also pervading German neighborhoods these days, and depressed silence is no longer enough. Erdoğan apparently wants to restructure the country along Russian lines, but Turkey is not Russia. It has no natural resources and is dependent on investment from abroad. The economy is at rock bottom, inflation is still at 40 percent. Yes, the EU needs Turkey, but Turkey needs the EU even more. It needs German technology for its submarines, and there are joint ventures with solar and wind power companies. Most recently, Erdoğan's son-in-law's drone company took over an Italian aircraft manufacturer. There are countless interconnections, and each one is an opportunity to increase the pressure on Erdoğan - to weaken his pressure on the opposition.

Europe's freedom is not only being defended in Ukraine. The demonstrators who are protesting in Turkey, who are taking to the streets even in Rize on the Black Sea, Erdoğan's home, to demand justice - they too are standing up for our common values. Who are we to leave them alone?

Please, our European friends are not disinterested one meter. Of course they want Erdogan gone for democratic reasons.

 

[Tabmachine]

its always funny when someone speaks like that while living the best countries such as, let me check.. Canada.

I was speaking casually when specifying military dictatorship / tutelage, perhaps too casually. Conservatively referencing the countries political arrangement between the military and civilian government pre-erdogan.

It's the general notion I mean to propose, that societies need to determine how they organize themselves through a process of reasoning which bases itself in their own culture, genetics, economic, geographical, and political necessities etc. The practice of just transposing the Western European tripartite separation of powers onto every country, for example,, I think is both arbitrary and disconnected, but more importantly an impediment to societies realizing their actual potential.

How this manifests itself in specific terms, is a complex activity, and perhaps elections are part of the equation for a given society, perhaps not.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

And by differently you mean in a functioning democracy with a good economy

For people living and working there, Türkiye has the least affordable housing market in the world

It's important to consider your privilege before coming to conclusions

Wrong infro ,real net wages in Turkiye are 600 euro while most averange wages like teachers , police , etc takes 1000+ euros .
That mean 6000- 12000 euro annually . Of cource this aslo is bad and price of homes have gone too high because of overpopulation , toverment should react , Syrrian should sent to syria aslo in big cities like istanbul ,poor people should sent from they come from . Istanbul is biggest kurdish separatist city they are poor uneducated , they should removed . Istanbul should not have more than 12 million people .

 

[Lool]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/s/H0oXFzoMxF

The jihadists attacked a woman with a spiked club

@Lool @Oublious @IC3M@N FX

how could you continue to support these rats

This is what Ozgur Ozel wants; pure chaos

He wants the Turkish society to be divided albeit discretely, while he stays out of focus! Expect more filthy radical islamists to terrorise the streets in response to gays kissing and excessive drinking near mosques while chanting "we are ataturk soldiers" and kurds dancing during prayer times infront of mosques and when historical graves are being vandalised and FETO members spraying graffitti on pictures of July 15 victims and when Mansur Yavas is attacked by his own party members for protesting against DEM's use of kurdistan flags during CHP rallies

Ozgur Ozel literally took all the radical elements of Turkish society out on the stage and chaos is literally all whats left. From DEM parties attending CHP's rallies with kurdistan flags to Ozel promoting boycotts of turkish brands and attacking the only sane Turkish Finance Minister to assume office in the last 4 years

Ozgur Ozel never cared about Turkey or the Turks, he doesnt care about their livelihoods or their problems. In fact, what he is scared about is Imamoglu staying in prison for so long that it ends up with either Imamoglu ratting Ozel out to join him in prison or AKP winning the next election

The reason I support the AKP rats is that, while they are filthy abominable rats, they are still "cleaner" and a bit smarter as well as united than the CHP, Ozgur Ozel and Imamoglu. It is true that Erdogan did the unthinkable by arresting Imamoglu but it is also true that it was his fellow CHP members were the ones that ratted him out

And just like I said during the 2023 presidential elections; if you want to replace Erdogan, then you can only do so by bringing someone better and not worse like Imamoglu or Ozel

And to end it all, just ask yourself why on earth is Mansur Yavas not the CHP's presidential candidate when he is smarter than Imamoglu, more professional than Imamoglu, more "cleaner" than Imamoglu, more patriotic than Imamoglu, and less corrupt than Imamoglu and has higher ratings than Imamoglu in all voting/polling sites.

Mark my words, as long as the CHP never changes tha filthy mentality, they will never defeat Erdogan. I mean just look at how South Korea is conducting their protests and you will see the difference.

At the end of the day, you will notice that both the CHP and AKP are two sides of the same coin but ironically the AKP is a bit smarter

 

[BalkanTurk90]

The overwhelming majority of ethnic Muslim Turks are secular minded people, they really don't believe in religion being forced on anyone. Even when you look at the Ottoman empire, despite being the Caliphate and leader of the Islamic world there was next to no efforts to force anyone non-Muslim to become Muslim, outside the Sultans personal bodyguards.

This is a primary reason why the Turkish state has been flooded with many MENA type peoples, these people are far easier to manipulate and drag into a sharia state.

Just look at the damage done to the republic in allowing millions of Kurdish refugees into the nation over the last 40 years? 2 to 4 million Kurds flee Iraq into Turkiye, they they start calling that land Kurdistan and become affiliates to the PKK terrorists. Could you imagine if such a thing took place in the EU, a million italians cross into France and then start calling the parts they reside in Italy or vice versa.

Yeah disgusting creatures ,we aslo fight russians/armenians and made them with our own hands and blood majority and now they think its their land since 3000 years BC . Aslo some assholes here in forum deleting my comments not respecting free speach right .
The solution is if WW3 start massive Genocide should like humanity solved those problem since forever , Look USA israel ,UK how grab land from everywhere and genocide othera , thats human nature .
For now solution is ,
big wall around iran and iraq syria , with masive anti personel mines , millions of them . Every separatist should be removed from Turkiye ,revoke its passport together with its primary family and sent to iraq , iran or syria .

 

[Ripley]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904836377352564956

“President Erdogan:

From now on, all kinds of sabotage targeting the Turkish economy will be held accountable before courts of law.”

This one is, clearly, for those who share so called “boycott lists” which calls for boycotting the brands that are supposedly financially involved with AKP.

Mr. Erdoğan, when internal politics involved, should not be taken lightly as he always delivers his ‘promises’.

 

[Rooxbar]

Are they gonna arrest people for walking past Espressolab (what a stupid name btw, who likes to go drink something in a fucking lab?) and not buying coffee from them?

 

[I_Love_F16]

Do you mean Erdoğan provided financials to any terrorist organisation ? And even worse what ?

Yeah worse, he is SIDING with terrorists who want to fragment the country into many pieces. And worse for all the fucked up shit he did and he is doing right now. I already listed those things in the same thread yesterday.

 

[Turkic]

Yeah worse, he is SIDING with terrorists who want to fragment the country into many pieces. And worse for all the fucked up shit he did and he is doing right now. I already listed those things in the same thread yesterday.

I guess you're talking about Öcalan. Did any news show up during the ongoing peace talks that would harm Turkiye ? Indeed, some moves regarding the terrorist organizations have been made. Turkiye, Syria, the US and the SDF agreed on most topics during the talks. I would like you to tell me if I missed any bad news about these. And about Öcalan, he will stay in prison. Erdoğan clearly stated this.

I'm not someone who backs Erdoğan no matter what. I don't want to be seen like that. He made things I don't like too. It's just I don't agree with you on these. Still, you stating Erdoğan as a terror supporter sounds ridiculous. I mean idc if you call him dictator or such because it's your own opinion but terror ? That's off the sense.