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These events are not a lie. Weren't the demonstrations in defense of the Istanbul governor? Where did the talk of Article 34 of the Constitution come from? They tried to cover up the real problem of İmamoğlu, which no one is talking about: the accusation of corruption by causing chaos in the country. How can they claim patriotism and call for a boycott of national products?
Again, those are lies. You were not able to produce a single proof to support your claims, only official lines of the government.
Article 34 was always there for every citizen to enjoy and exercise that right as they please. So, I dont really understand the question.
Even if they tried to cover up Imamoglu’s corruption, prosecutor and the court accepted the detaining and arrest of a suspect by a so called “secret” witness‘ testimony, a hearsay, is abhorrent and travesty of law. It’s the textbok definition of violation of due process which btw should be end up releasing the suspect.

And finally, I believe they also have a right to boycott any brand just as much as those who did so earlier for the Palestinian cause.
 
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If the global Zionist agenda is to destroy Muslims then you have to radicalise them. Make them fanatical like the wahhabists, make them incompatible with the rest of the world. Make them violent and intellectually bankrupt. I know in England Muslims are generally despised, for the most part their behaviour over here played into the hands of the enemy. In general no-one non-Muslim likes Muslims. In fact the common non-Muslim generally sees Islam as a backward and barbaric religion. The common Turk must not allow himself to be brainwashed by this neo-wahhabist agenda taking place in all the mosques across the UK.

In a way we see the repeat of the British backed wahhabist movements against the Ottoman state. Play the oppressed victim and then claim the "secular Turk" is an enemy of Islam. Just like they claimed the Ottoman caliph and the Turks were Kafirs in order to arouse the arabs to revolt against the Ottomans. Today the Arabs belong to the white man in their entirety. All the holy sites are under Anglo-American control. Saudi is no more then a British/American vassal.

Because at the end of the day the international banking system is owned and controlled by non-Muslims. Nearly the entire globes major defence industries are non-Muslim. Most of the international media is controlled by the non-Muslim or the ones that appear Muslim controlled are no more then Vassals to the Anglo-American world. What matters is what you own and control, not how many you number. The Jews show Muslims very well what 20 million people highly organised and determined can do against 1.5 billion Muslims who for the most part produce and invent nothing except radical ideologies and behavioural patterns.

Muslims are being set up and like the Marxists love to do, they always manipulate the abundance of useful idiots to operate against their own interests. If the common Muslim behaved like the common Turkish Cypriot Muslims here in the UK, it would be near impossible to dehumanise these people and their faith.

It is why Ataturk republicanism (secularism, cohesive nationalism) route for Turkiye has served it so well....and bought an incredible amount of respect from larger world in both realpolitik realised way, intellectual and moral essence/ideological way (from those that "get" things in bigger picture).

This is also why/how things get built up subversion pressure if proper care is not taken at critical points of time regarding the republic...and before you know it you got large block of religious bigot numpties that emotionally scapegoat and delude themselves each weakness/fault is indicative of the republic (and Ataturk by extension)....and throw baby out with bathwater on everything that matters to the republic. i.e what percentage of Turks are directly "umtards" themselves or held in some ideological sway/coercion to them....or some frivolous political transactionalism, what have you.

India sadly experiencing same thing in its own context, religious majoritarian bigots are a real corrupt cultish disease as they are anti-reality, anti-republic and anti-constitution and go for "might is right" in their delusional fancy and know nothing of the damage they do when their political prima donnas and triumphalist crap is able to take power to inflict things on the whole to degree they can. Where everything then relies on resistance to this and wishing for less squandering from the better-minded political leaders to have done a far better job upstream to not give any room for this cascade to have taken effect.

One key difference though is that the Hinduism (and thus Hindutva which is the equivalent to Islamism) largely exists within India only....and India is almost 1.5 billion number you mention for Muslims globally (and the separate identities/ideologies/contexts that intersect with them to resort to and/or inculcate islamism to overarch/compensate for).

This means a new angle of subversion vector for Turkiye from the population differential ratio alone on size of Muslim population outside Turkiye to begin with and the why/how of Islamist currents that foment there separate to Turkish context altogether (and sometimes quite virulently anti-Turkish).

This is what wise and sane properly Nationalist Turks long know about, but have to grapple with intensely now, there is no other choice given what is at stake in the end. You import umtards (physically or mentally), you become another version of them and the damage they have done to large parts of Muslim world already is the consequence Turks will be saddled with quite unfortunately. This is what made Ataturk exceptional to rise above this morass, incredible how many people seem to not get this in the republic 100 years later.
 

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“19:05. Mecidiyeköy Metro exit.

They demand masks to be removed.”


Mr. Mahmut Tanal:
“Article 20 of our Constitution regulates the principle of "privacy of private life", and Article 13 regulates the principle of fundamental rights and freedoms that can only be limited by law.
taking facial images which is personal data, for transferring to any records without one’s consent for identification purposes is tagging.”
 

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Erdogan is trying to speedrun the Louis XVI ending at this point. Don’t see it ending any other way for him, he’s going deeper into the grave.
 

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this is montaj video of erdogan showing a violent protest from Georgia were people throwing Molotov as recent protests. just like the time of last election erdogan doing montaj videos again soon he will find an excuse to crack hard just like the time of gezi where he said there was a gang rape on women with headscarf they took her headscarf stomp it under their boots then piss on it eeeeeeeeeeeyyyyy başörtulu bacimmmmm etc then use violence on protestors !! later after checking 69 security cameras we couldn't find the evidence !! and he was lying the whole time !! the reasons trump is supporting him is probably is because of Erdogan's second peace process with PKK and release of öcalan. also we are not sure whether the police who are craking on people are turkish they can be syrias or afghans erdogan took them in army and police force and there is a Sadat terrorist group full of foreigners that want a create country called asrika with capital of Istanbul and official language of arabic. this force can be use against Turkish people as well !
 
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Does democracy give you the right to beat police officers, destroy public property, and threaten national security?
I think that democracy gives you the right to express your discontent with the incumbent government. If that government bans public expression of discontent and attempts to enforce that anti-democratic behaviour, it is creating problems.

Should demonstrators beat police? No. Should police beat demonstrators? No. Should demonstrators destroy property? No. Protesting against the suppression of democracy in a democracy does not threaten national security.
 

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When a democratic country elects a head of state who does not observe the constitution, how do you force him out of power without having to wait for the people to vote him out at the next election?
 

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When a democratic country elects a head of state who does not observe the constitution, how do you force him out of power without having to wait for the people to vote him out at the next election?
Parliament,2/3 votes him out but the percentage depends on the country,some more some less.
''Vote of no confidence'' i believe.
 

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Parliament,2/3 votes him out but the percentage depends on the country,some more some less.
''Vote of no confidence'' i believe.
that was in old constitution in new one you need 2/3 majorty to impeach the president then matter goes to superim court. of 15 judges 13 of them are selectd by erdogan and 2 of them are selected by parliment !!
 

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A politicised judiciary is a serious problem. Bye bye to objective judgement according to the law! Unless the judiciary is independent, it is fatally flawed IMO.
 

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When a democratic country elects a head of state who does not observe the constitution, how do you force him out of power without having to wait for the people to vote him out at the next election?
back in old turkey Turkish army was considered as guardian of consititution ! army was charge by ataturk to protect republicism, secularism and democracy of the state. staging a coupe to perform this duty is written in constitution and there is a legal protocol which allow the army to take control of the state legally. the chief of general staff is responsible for this and by law he's action and in-action evaluated and if he found wanting in protecting the republicism, secularism and democracy of the state then he stand trail in military court to answer for his failure.

the protocol is something like this !

1) make a report whether the coup is necessary. if its done when it is not needed then everyone involved will answer in military court !
2) give a warning ake military memorandum if politicions keep violating the constituion
3) make the coup. after the warning ignored, by law turkish army can seize the control of the state !
4) make a elit cabinets from universit professors and prominent members of country and find why system failed and find solution for it. army have only 1 year do to this.
5) put in the new constituion in referandum !


example of this happened before in 1960s when prime minister adnan mandenez was losing the elections the imbalance in constitution gave more power to government then to parliment. mandenez used this to size power the jailed journalist ordered police which was under interior ministery to open fire on protestors by live ammo created what is called the investigation committee filled up by his friend who weren't lawyer nor judges then use the committee to put people in jail and confiscated their property completely bypassing the judiciary. finally in the last attempt to win elections he promise to islamist that he will return caliphate and return muslim call to pray from turkish to back to arabic ! by this point mandenez threatened the republicism, secularism and democracy of the state. with the 1960's coup army put an end to his police state regime later when judges took back their old power the sentence him to death. in new constitution the power of government reduce and power of parliament increased and some right were taken away from interior minister and given back to people including right to assembly !


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after this coup people give support and celebrate and give the title of protectors of democracy to the army to end the police state and return the republic to democracy you can watch the video for more footage !​
 
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A politicised judiciary is a serious problem. Bye bye to objective judgement according to the law! Unless the judiciary is independent, it is fatally flawed IMO.
it wasnt always like this. republicism secularism and democracy is the 3 gift ataturk gave turkish people. turkey did 3 referendum in 10 years 1 in 2007 1 in 2010 which removed secularism and last one in 2017 which remove republicsm from constitution from 180 clauses 140 of them are change. this is people's fault they vote on something they didnt knew what it is. back then the gulenist coup was fresh and erdogan use fear factor to centralized power. he also kept saying i want make your life better but they wont let me the constitution wont let me "give the the power and watch my performance" was his slogan now he arrest the mayor of istanbul he is threating the democracy of the state the people's freedom to choose their leader
 
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