Possibility of violence in Ireland over the Northern Ireland Protocol.

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Recently the UVF 'Ulster volunteer force' have hijacked a van and sent a pretend bomb to an event where the Irish foreign minister was speaking. https://news.sky.com/story/irish-fo...vent-in-belfast-after-security-alert-12574781

As the British state is totally focused on the Ukraine war, Ireland is becoming more and more heated, the Unionist pro-British parties and paramilitaries are uniting against the protocol which they see a dividing them off from the rest of the UK and enforced an economically united Ireland, and forcing them to live under EU laws and rules without a democratic mandate for it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_Protocol

At a anti-protocol event many speakers gave powerful speeches against the protocol, comparing what is happening to the Unionists in Northern Ireland to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And the Loyalist paramilitaries claim to be planning more attacks and pretend attacks on Irish and EU officials in Northern Ireland. https://www.independent.ie/irish-ne...o-target-more-irish-politicians-41491649.html

As a former Loyalist myself, and still active in Loyalist groups online. I have been saying since Britain voted to leave the EU it would cause the Loyalists/Unionist in Northern Ireland to become increasingly anti-Irish/anti-EU, and the rhetoric would grow against both, leading to a new outbreak of anti-Irish/anti-EU violence by the Loyalists, which the British state is not prepared for and has no means to limit or control its outcome.

So we will likely see a new war starting in Europe, in Ireland. Not a full scale war, but a low level conflict like the Troubles, where the Loyalists try to break the infrastructure of the Northern Ireland protocol and the British state/Irish state/EU try to enforce it and arrest the Loyalists. This however I believe the state will fail and the protocol will not be enforceable. Leading to a break down of the entire EU withdrawal agreement between Britain and the EU, and causing the dismantling of the Good Friday Agreement and power sharing in Northern Ireland.

There are only two things which could prevent this. One is the Loyalists get something bigger than the protocol, which would be the removal of the Irish states claim on Northern Ireland the removal of the referendum clause in the good friday agreement which would implement a united Ireland if the majority of people in Northern Ireland voted for it. If the Loyalists get full political protection, it could mean that accept an economically united Ireland. The other option is the British state totally turns against the Loyalists in the North of Ireland and starts attacking them. So the Loyalists are totally cut off and unsupported.

I will update this thread with more news when I hear about it. Thanks.
 

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Northern Ireland: 'Last Troubles trial' set to start next week (Monday 28 March)
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/northern-ireland-last-troubles-trial-set-start-next-week-monday-28-march

Northern Ireland: 'Last Troubles trial' gets underway in Belfast​

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The McAnespie family supported by Grainne Teggart in green

‘It has been a long and torturous 34 years. Aidan is missed every day.’ – Sean McAnespie, Aidan’s brother

Amnesty International has warned that the trial starting today (28 March) of a soldier for a Troubles-related killing could be the “last Troubles trial” as UK Government plans to legislate for a de facto amnesty for conflict-related abuses. The McAnespie family is calling on the UK Government to abandon these plans and ensure every victim has access to justice.

Former Grenadier Guardsman, David Jonathan Holden (51), will appear at Laganside Courthouse in Belfast and face trial for the manslaughter of Aidan Martin McAnespie on 21 February 1988.

The trial comes ahead of a planned highly controversial bill by the UK Government which would introduce a de facto amnesty for human rights violations committed during the Northern Ireland conflict, including a statute bar on Troubles-related prosecutions. The plans have been met with widespread opposition from victims and victims’ groups, Amnesty International, Northern Ireland political parties, the Irish Government, as well as prompting concerns from the US Congress, United Nations and the Council of Europe Commissioner on Human Rights.

Speaking from the Court this morning, Grainne Teggart, Northern Ireland Campaigns Manager at Amnesty International UK, said:

“The McAnespie family have waited for over three decades to get to this point. If the UK Government proceeds with its plans, this could be the last ‘Troubles’ trial, and other families will be blocked from ever achieving justice.

“This trial today is simply the due process of law, which must apply to all without favour.

“After decades of failing victims by refusing to put in place mechanisms that would deliver truth, justice and accountability, the UK Government is now planning the ultimate betrayal by seeking to legislate for a de facto amnesty and permanently deny any chance of justice.

“The government must abandon their plans and ensure the rights of all victims are vindicated.”

Sean McAnespie, brother of Aidan McAnespie, said:
“It has been a long and torturous 34 years. Not a day passes when we don’t miss Aidan and feel the pain of his loss. Today marks the beginning of the end of our journey. Other victims must also have a chance for justice. The UK Government’s plans are an insult to every victim. It’s time to properly deal with the past”.

Darragh Mackin, solicitor for the family, said:
“Today is the culmination of a 34-year battle for the family to have the evidence presented before a court of law. It is a cornerstone of any democracy where evidence points to commission of criminal offence, the individual should face trial. Today is no exception - this is the criminal justice process in action. There can be no limitation or amnesty for cases such as these.”

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/northern-ireland-last-troubles-trial-gets-underway-belfast

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I'm also going to be keeping an eye on this, and posting news/updates. I'll try to stay objective as much as possible, and to get Loyalist/Republican viewpoints in when I can
 

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I am just going to give more information for people interested to follow the groups and people involved on the Loyalists/Unionist side.

On the Loyalist paramilitary side there is the 'working class' Ulster Volunteer force or UVF, then there is the 'middle class' Ulster Defence regiment or UDA, the UDA sometimes goes under the name UFF or Ulster Freedom fighters, they also have a 'elite' unit called the Red Hand Commando which does assassinations and operations against political targets. The paramilitaries do drug dealing, robbing banks and other petty crimes to support their operations financially, and they also get local donations of course normally funneled through the Orange Order and political groups like the UPRG or Ulster Political Research Group which is the spokes group for the UDA and the PUP or Progressive Unionist Party which is the political wing of the UVF. As for as I know the DUP or Democratic Unionist Party and the TUV or Traditionalist Unionist voice have no direct links to the paramilitaries and are normal political parties.

There are new people from the left and center of British politics involved in the anti-Northern Ireland protocol movement, the main figureheads being Katy Hoey who is a from Labour party peer and Brexiteers, and Ben Habib who is a lawyer. I believe these people don't really understand the forces they are supporting and are over their heads, but they get the most media play and attention though they matter the least. So in my view pay attention to them, but understand they don't have any power on the ground.

The people with political power on ground are the most militant and rhetorically opposed to the protocol and a United Ireland. Those people being Jamie Bryson and Jim Allister who is the leader of the TUV. As well as the Orange Order a Protestant freemason like secret society which is formed in the late 1700's to uphold the Loyalists position in Ireland. These three are the people to watch and pay most attention to as they will drive the conflict on once it starts, justifying it all the way. But the conflict with be fought by the paramilitaries, not be these activists or societies.

Lastly we have the mainstream political groups in Northern Ireland and the British state in Northern Ireland. So you have DUP which is allying with the anti-protocol movement to try and unite the Unionist vote around it, to stop Sinn Fein becoming the biggest party in Northern Ireland. The DUP leader Jeffrey Donaldson in my view is a very competent and respected figure, he is trying to rebuild the DUP after the disaster of the Arlene Foster leadership and Edwin Poots. However it will take a very special effort from the DUP to remain the largest party in Northern Ireland, though the Unionists will hold the majority of MLA 'member of the legislative assemble' in the NI parliament in Stormont. There is also the UUP Ulster Unionist party, and its leader Doug Beattie who are the weak tea damp squib Unionist party, for all the people who just care about the economy and social justice, this party has no power and very little influence, but it is used by people to try and dilute the political rhetoric and limit the hardcore Loyalists.

Without the British state there a two positions. The Northern Ireland secretary called Brandon Lewis, its his position that matters as the go between between the Irish state/Northern Ireland/British state, so his position is important. And there is Simon Hoare who is the chair of the British Parliament Northern Ireland select committee, which controls British Parliamentary policy towards Northern Ireland. This position holds a lot more power and influence and will be the vehicle through which the British state controls its response to the escalating rhetoric and opposition to the protocol.

I am less knowledgeable of who the Loyalists call the 'Pan-nationalist alliance' which includes the Irish state/IRA/Alliance party/SDLP and so on. So if anyone else see's this and has something to add about them please do so. As their role is vital as they will be the people the Loyalists are fighting.

A powerful speech from Jamie Bryson opposing the Northern Ireland protocol.
 

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The end is nigh for Northern Ireland as we know it – and unionists can blame themselves​

Susan McKay
If the unconstructive, self-harming DUP is not willing to serve under a Sinn Féin first minister, the power-sharing model is probably dead
Stormont.

‘In the last days of what may be the last Northern Irish assembly for the foreseeable future, bills that had already been progressed were voted through.’ Photograph: Paul Faith/PA
Wed 30 Mar 2022 10.00 BST

Northern Ireland is coming to an end, and unionists, having nowadays only themselves to blame, are plummeting through history, desperately seeking the security of the homeland they are convinced their forefathers built for them.
There will be elections to the Stormont assembly in Belfast on 5 May, but it looks as if the Democratic Unionist party (DUP), currently the largest unionist party, will refuse to return. Sinn Féin looks set to come in as the largest party, thereby winning the first minister’s role. Up to now this has always been held by a unionist. The DUP has said this is “a problem”.

There are those with a nostalgia for violence who like to hint that the paramilitaries will rise again and save the province
Fifty years ago, on 28 March 1972, the British government, realising that unionism was incapable of handling the requirement to change by giving civil rights to nationalists, shut down the Northern Irish parliament and imposed direct rule.

Brian Faulkner, the last of the province’s unionist prime ministers, declared it a betrayal. Tens of thousands of loyalists rallied in protest in front of Edward Carson’s statue outside Parliament Buildings at Stormont. In 1974 the Sunningdale Agreement, an attempt to set up a new regime with participation by nationalists, was thwarted when unionists and loyalist paramilitaries joined forces to stage a massive strike that brought Northern Ireland to a standstill. Direct rule continued for the rest of the years of the Troubles, only ending when the Good Friday agreement was signed in 1998.

The problem in 1972 was the refusal to share power, and recognising the rights of Irish citizens in NI, and the problem today is the same. Even though the arrangements at Stormont are founded on a mandatory powersharing coalition and the first and deputy first ministers are actually joint and equal, the DUP has been pretending to itself and to its gullible voters that because the first minister’s office has always been held by a unionist, Northern Ireland essentially still had a unionist prime minister. And that it was therefore still in charge of its beloved wee country with the right to say “no”, over and over.

A rude awakening is coming and panic has set in. And so it is that Jeffrey Donaldson MP, the DUP leader, and, reluctantly, one of its candidates as an MLA, finds himself sitting miserably on lorry-pulled trailers at poorly attended anti-protocol rallies in the main streets of small towns in unionist heartlands. He has his Orange sash with him, lest anyone doubt his loyalty – and plenty do, for paranoia is the prevailing condition at these events. The Orange order is once again trying to unite the unionist family. What is being opposed is not just the protocol - it is the Good Friday agreement.

Alongside Donaldson are people who, having nothing constructive to offer to politics, seek to make up for it with breast-beating sectarian rhetoric which portrays unionists as the most betrayed and victimised people in the world. Ever. The Traditional Unionist Voice leader Jim Allister (his party’s sole MLA) claims Northern Ireland has been colonised by the EU and is coveted by the Republic of Ireland. A senior DUP politician told one rally that if the government could stand up for Ukraine, it could stand up for the union. This was expanded by a hyperbolic blogger who explained that while Ukraine was under siege from Russia, Northern Ireland was “[in the] UK, subjugated by the protocol & is under an EU jackboot”. There are warnings about foreigners and enemies – including journalists and the judiciary.

Jim Allister, Kate Hoey and Ben Habib


Apart from Kate Hoey, for whom no one in Northern Ireland ever cast a vote, they are all men. Manliness is next to godliness when it comes to saving Ulster. Allister sneerily equates the prospect of unionism taking the deputy first minister’s role with becoming the “bridemaid” of Sinn Féin.

The DUP was disappointed by Westminster’s reaction when it crashed the executive at Stormont earlier this year. The government hardly registered the big move, and there was the usual scramble for the exits when MP Ian Paisley Jr got up to lament the ingratitude of the prime minister to his most loyal subjects. This week the secretary of state for Northern Ireland, Brandon Lewis, said checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea must continue. Unionists love to call for the “triggering” of article 16. Lewis pointed out that this would not in any case mean scrapping the protocol.

In the last days of what may be the last Northern Irish assembly for the foreseeable future, bills that had already been progressed were voted through. They included one to offer women further protections from domestic violence, one to stop anti-abortionists from harassing women outside health clinics, and one to give more parents the ability to choose integrated education for their children. The DUP attempted to stop most of them. No wonder many of those who used to vote unionist are now looking elsewhere, or not voting at all.

Last week, while Prince Charles and Camilla were learning Irish dancing in the Irish Republic during a congenial tour, gunmen forced a man to drive a hoax bomb to a venue at which an Irish government minister was speaking. Nationalist politicians have been intimidated, their election posters set on fire. After Ulster Unionist party leader Doug Beattie spoke out against incendiary rhetoric at anti-protocol rallies, the window of his constituency office was smashed. Thuggery. There are those with a nostalgia for violence who like to hint that the paramilitaries will rise again and save the province. They won’t. They do not have the capacity and the people do not want them. Northern Ireland never worked for all of its people. Unionism has seen to it that it never will.

Susan McKay is an Irish writer and journalist whose books include Northern Protestants – On Shifting Ground

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...land-unionists-blame-themselves-dup-sinn-fein
 

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As of right now it seems that the media establishment in Britain/Ireland/Northern Ireland are trying to ban all 'hardline' loyalists from the public discourse and public space. As number of articles from pro-Irish politicians and commentators have come out seeking to divide different strands of Loyalists/Unionism which they don't find acceptable off from more moderate voices. Which the Loyalists then starting a campaign against the media and political attempts to censor them. Basically what is happening now is what the British state tried to do to the IRA in the 80's, remove them from any public or politics discussions. Its also a continuation of woke cancel culture as well, as the pro-Irish liberals are all woke.



They are also claiming the Loyalists to be far-right as well, to banish them and their views. None of this will work at all, as the Loyalists have always been a fringe group in Northern Ireland, mainly made up of working class and middle class Loyalists from cities. Whereas the Unionist brand is much stronger is upper middle class area's and the countryside. So just trying to make the Loyalists more fringe will be a benefit to them. If the pro-Irish people wanted to harm the Loyalist they would give them everything they want, and the Loyalists wouldn't exist anymore.
 

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Hmmm....I brought up orange order and sinn fein in the kashmir files thread too....

If you are truly interested in this subject at large.....you will also have to do a deep delve into Ireland* w.r.t what extremist-complicity actually was on all sides involved.

It is very easy to reductively split the entire thing into orange order vs extreme sinn feinn ...and only cherry pick and weight the worst episodes of both on the larger population.

But you would be wrong to do so.

Easy answers are generally the wrong answers (copied or learned only by rote)....hence why the need for "show your work".

What was the proper, fair and rational answer for Kashmir post 1948?....remains the main question rather than insert into a small slice.

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*As much as orange order et al. tried/tries vis a vis sinn feinn et al, is there today severe bloody revolt in derry and other areas of N. Eire?...given the context there that has precipitated such in the past?...and the memories still fresh about it?

Why? Whats changed? People get weary over time you know...."with their tanks and their bombs and their bombs and their guns...in your head, in your head they are fighting..." as Dolores expressed...

But question as always is where do we start? This story spans somewhere (depending on whom you ask) 500 - 1000 years or so ....
 

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The Brexiteers in England are stoking the flames here, pushing to break the NI protocol and destroy the withdrawal agreement with the EU. Which was broadly a positive deal for Britain. The Brexiteers in this case Farage and Hannan, are Americanista's, they want Britain totally beholden to the USA, so the Americans can come in and steal what is left of the British economy and carry it back to New York. So their goals here are just as bad as the pro-Irish/pro-EU people.
The Loyalists though will take support from anywhere they can get it from. Also I believe everybody thinks the Loyalists will lose the next conflict, I don't. I believe the Loyalists will take back much of the territory and political power lost during the troubles. I believe the British/Irish state/EU will not be able to reclaim the order of the state. The Loyalists started the troubles by driving the IRA out of large area's of cities in Northern Ireland 'burning them out', there was nothing the IRA could do or the RUC, so the British army was deployed. Back then the British army was 250,000 men, now it is something like 70',000. No way the British army could do operation banner again.

So the centerist activists and politicians don't know who and what forces they are playing with here. If they did they wouldn't be stoking the Loyalists like this. They would be putting pressure of the Irish state to give the Loyalists political/military/constitutional safely and security, and they would be working to lower the Loyalists feeling of abandonment and betrayal. However they are doing the opposite.
 

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Loyalist Billy Wright known as King Rat, because he was the main UVF hitman in mid-ulster. He was shot by the INLA which is a British intelligence front full of communists or British agents. He was assassinated by the British state because he opposed the Good Friday agreement, and all the other Loyalists didn't like him because he formed the Loyalist Volunteer Force. There were many such acts of collusion against the Loyalists by the Irish state and British state during the Troubles.

I actually got banned from Facebook for posting about the British state killing him.

Other main Loyalist paramilitaries were Gusty Spence founder of the UVF. John McMichael founder of UDA. And Johnny 'mad dog' Adair who was leader a company 'active unit or assassination team' of the UFF the cover name of the UDA. He was driven out of the Shankhill by the rest of the UDA because of drug and criminality disputes and the Adair killing of John Gregg. Basically 100 armed men of the UDA invaded the Adair area. Under the control of Jackie McDonald who is still alive in Loyalist area's.

I write all this to say that the GFA divided the Loyalists, many of them never supported it. And that was part of the goal of the GFA. The Loyalists at this point are totally united in opposition to the Protocol and GFA. The British state can't break them this time with the promise of peace and democracy and equality, they don't believe it anymore. It needs to give them something real, something they can stand behind and support.
 

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The Loyalists will attempt to smash everything mentioned in this article apart, so it is unenforceable. After which the end goal will be to ethnically cleanse the Irish from the North, assassination of Liberal/Irish nationalist politicians to drive them out of Ireland. For the Loyalists they are at the point of no return, of existential crisis and they will go on the offensive. All the centrist and liberal politicians standing with them now, don't understand what forces they are supporting and what forces will be unleashed once the Loyalists make their move.


This is a video from 1973, where the Loyalists threatened exactly what I mentioned above, it never came to that because the British army was too strong at that time, the Loyalists couldn't have defeated it and the Loyalists were in factions. However presently things have changed in my view.

 

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The Loyalists will attempt to smash everything mentioned in this article apart, so it is unenforceable. After which the end goal will be to ethnically cleanse the Irish from the North, assassination of Liberal/Irish nationalist politicians to drive them out of Ireland. For the Loyalists they are at the point of no return, of existential crisis and they will go on the offensive. All the centrist and liberal politicians standing with them now, don't understand what forces they are supporting and what forces will be unleashed once the Loyalists make their move.
Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Really, really don't want to see this conflict restart.
 

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Hopefully it doesn't come to that. Really, really don't want to see this conflict restart.
I really don't want to see it restart as well. I have Irish family and I live close to Northern Ireland, right next to the Irish sea. It would be very bad for everything after Brexit/Covid/Russia war. Last thing we need. Which is why I am trying to speak out about it before it happens. However the focus is on Russia at the moment, moved away from Northern Ireland. Same thing happened with WW1 moving the focus away from Ireland, leading to the 1916 rising and Irish war of independence/civil war, partition of Ireland.

So all I can do is tell people what's coming, warn people about it and try to get them to give the Loyalists stuff to prevent them doing it. A report today saying 66% of businesses in Northern Ireland have 'adapted' to the NI protocol, the answer from the Loyalists 'that's a shame, they are just going to have to adapt right back when we break the protocol'. Its the same when the Irish nationalists talk about how Catholic birthrates and Irish immigration will demographically defeat the Loyalists, the Loyalists say okay that's all well and good, be what happened when we burn you out and drive you out. All your demographic threats can be defeated.

Okay good thing I see is this conflict isn't going to last 30 years, I expect it to be over in 18 months with a total Loyalist victory, with hundreds death, thousands injured. None of it has to happen.
 

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I really don't want to see it restart as well. I have Irish family and I live close to Northern Ireland, right next to the Irish sea. It would be very bad for everything after Brexit/Covid/Russia war. Last thing we need. Which is why I am trying to speak out about it before it happens. However the focus is on Russia at the moment, moved away from Northern Ireland. Same thing happened with WW1 moving the focus away from Ireland, leading to the 1916 rising and Irish war of independence/civil war, partition of Ireland.
Hoping you can reach the people you want to, and to make them understand what you believe will happen with NI. Keep attention on it when you can, the war in Ukraine isn't going away that quickly
So all I can do is tell people what's coming, warn people about it and try to get them to give the Loyalists stuff to prevent them doing it. A report today saying 66% of businesses in Northern Ireland have 'adapted' to the NI protocol, the answer from the Loyalists 'that's a shame, they are just going to have to adapt right back when we break the protocol'. Its the same when the Irish nationalists talk about how Catholic birthrates and Irish immigration will demographically defeat the Loyalists, the Loyalists say okay that's all well and good, be what happened when we burn you out and drive you out. All your demographic threats can be defeated.
To be honest, I have no real idea about the military power of the loyalists and their capabilities nowadays. If what you're saying is true and the loyalists see no other way to achieve their goals, then that's going to be more brutal than the worst years of the troubles.
Okay good thing I see is this conflict isn't going to last 30 years, I expect it to be over in 18 months with a total Loyalist victory, with hundreds death, thousands injured. None of it has to happen.
Only time will tell, so we shall see
 

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Hoping you can reach the people you want to, and to make them understand what you believe will happen with NI. Keep attention on it when you can, the war in Ukraine isn't going away that quickly

To be honest, I have no real idea about the military power of the loyalists and their capabilities nowadays. If what you're saying is true and the loyalists see no other way to achieve their goals, then that's going to be more brutal than the worst years of the troubles.

Only time will tell, so we shall see
Yep you are right about the Ukraine war.

The UDA has around 400-600 men, the UVF 1,200-1,500. So that's plenty. The IRA only had around 400-600 men on active service at the peak of the troubles. Back then the Loyalists had 10-15,000 men. This is part of the reason why I believe the Loyalists are a bigger threat now. Also the Loyalists have a lot of former British military experience as well. In terms of armaments, the Loyalists had no problem getting guns/making bombs and obviously knives as easy to come by. In terms of the assault rifles and machine guns and heavier weapons which they did have, but decommissioned most of them. They could have to raid British army stocks like they did in the Troubles.

So to sum up, the Loyalist are more professional now, they have less powerful weapons, but they can access them.
 

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At what I believe was an Easter Rising parade in London-Derry, Irish Republics otherwise called dissidents, attack police land rovers with petrol bombs. It is my perspective that all the 'dissident' Republican organizations are British state organizations, used to entrap young Irish people and use them to inflict violence as the British state see's fit to support its aim, or rather the people who control the intelligence organizations of the British state currently. So I personally am not concerned about Irish or Republican violence. Do the Republican organizations have support in the local communities in Irish Republican working class areas, yes. However they are fully controlled by the intelligence organizations. And as we can see from the articles and the political reactions to the violence, the dissidents and pawns for greater political forces to use to attack the Loyalists. We also see the nationalists are very divided as well, while the Loyalists are becoming more cohesive and united.

A journalist who was a woman and a Lesbian was murdered, 'put in a position to be assassinated' by an Irish Republican front for British intelligence, her killing was then used by the media/British state/political agents in Northern Ireland to push through Abortion and Gay Marriage in Northern Ireland, through the British parliament. The Republicans/Irish nationalists/Liberals in northern Ireland set the entire thing up as a 'catalyst event' to bypass Loyalists opposition, which was ably support by the British intelligence plant Arlene Foster who now has a key role in 'GB News' which is an American funded organization in Britain, formed after Brexit to push a pro-American perspective in Britain.

In the end they want to use Republican violence, to attack the Loyalists children and take their children away from them, denying them the ability to pass down Loyalists culture to their children. To destroy future generations morale, so they are unable to oppose a united Ireland, mass migration and child abuse from the agents of the British state. All of which the Loyalists have and are fighting against currently. Holding ground which the Liberal forces of the state can't control. This is not simply my perspective, but the wider Loyalist political perspective. They work/fight to protect their children and pass their ways down to them.


 

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Here is a video of the Irish Republican organization doing a 'march' through the Republic area called 'the Bogside'. This one of the main area's the Loyalists will be attempting to ethnically cleanse in the coming couple of years, and this was also the Republican organization who was blamed for the killing of the Lesbian journalist. As we can see from the video the marchers are very un-professional and have no experience or training, I would compare them to the early UDA. Basically men sent out to patrol area's and stop cars and question people. In other words no match for IRA active units at the time or in the current day UDA/UVF sections.

 

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A video which gives to an extend the scale of the Loyalist man power in the conflict to come. All the band members and people wearing the colours around their shoulders are Loyalists, the Loyalist paramilitaries have a man power access to all the bands, the Orange Order and Apprentice Boy's. Some 20,000 men.

 
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