TR Propulsion Systems

[AzeriTank]

Do you have any evidence for that? All projects funded by SSM which means projects funded by my taxes. Not Qatar money. They didnt even made a tank factory and we give our own(tank palet )to them(bmc).

And like @Bogeyman said: They invested 40B pounds to UK. Which is a lot more than they did to us. But UK doesnt make them partner of RR.

just look for how it ost building a 30,000lb turbofan engine... almost 15 billion min, Turkey got that money? no! you use it on other important projects. like HISAR,AESA and so on,, lets be real here

 

[uzaysan]

30,000lb turbofan engine... almost 15 billion min

TEI did say they will make an engine in 14.5 years. Which means its 1 billion per year. You don't have to put 15 billion at once.

Turkey got that money?

Yes it has. But ıts busy spending that money on bullshit mega projects with guarantees. I want to go in detail but this is not the place for it.

But you didnt answer my question: Do you have any evidence that qatar gives us money?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Bros, Qatar is being used as investment partner for some programs by letting them form Jv institutes. The government gives order guarantee to these institutes only If Qatar promises to invest huge money on the new facilities, infrastructure and some strategic programs that these institutes were charged. In return, Qatar is not only investing but also ordering end products that was developed by Turkish engineers working in these institutes. What Qatar care is not about technology but making profit and Turkey benefits from Qatari. We have tech and they have money. A strong Turkiye is the Qatar’s benefit in region and They are investing in this way. That’s a win-win story. It is the Turkey that is providing security of Qatar around devils and they are showing their solidarity in this way. In last economic crisis, They invested 15 billion $ in a lump in 2018 and God knows How much more they have transfered in past or at present. I mean Nothing wrong in getting direct foreign investment/money on some strategic programs. Turkey asked many friend countries join to our big scale programs but noone approached in past. Today, we are partially doing it by using Qatari money. The Karasu giant tech facility will be a perfect test-bed for us in future. Only this investment worth almost billion $ and 10000+ employees and Tf-X turbofan/Altay 1500hp/ 1000hp/700hp/350hp turbodiesel engines and big scale marine diesel engines will be serially manufactured in there as well. These investments were the promises of Qatar. What we should do is to wait a little bit and see the developments.

 

[uzaysan]

Bros, Qatar is being used as investment partner for some programs by letting them form Jv institutes. The government gives order guarantee to these institutes only If Qatar promises to invest huge money on the new facilities, infrastructure and some strategic programs that these institutes were charged. In return, Qatar is not only investing but also ordering end products that was developed by Turkish engineers working in these institutes. What Qatar care is not about technology but making profit and Turkey benefits from Qatari. Ee have tech and they have money. A strong Turkiye is the Qatar’s benefit in region and They are investing in this way. That’s a win-win story. It is the Turkey that is providing security of Qatar around devils and they are showing their solidarity in this way. In last economic crisis, They invested 15 billion $ in a lump in 2018 and God knows How many more they have transfered. I mean Nothing wrong in getting direct foreign investment/money on some strategic programs. Turkey asked many friend countries join to our big scale programs but noone approached in past. Today, we are partially doing it by using Qatari money. The Karasu giant tech facility will be a perfect test-bed for us in future. Only this investment worth billion $ and 10000+ employees and Tf-X turbofan/Altay 1500hp/ 1000hp/700hp/350hp turbodiesel engines and big scale marine diesel engines will be serially manufactured in there as well. These investments were the promises of Qatar. we will wait and see.

Bro do you have any new information about this facility? There isnt news. Last news I saw about this factory was, construction was stopped. And ıts been 2 years from that.

 

[mulj]

British hostility to Qatar consists of paranoia. It is known that Qatar has more than 40 billion pounds of investment in the UK.

LNG zengini Katar’ın yurt dışı yatırımları hız kesmiyor

Körfez ülkesi Katar, ülkenin petrol ve doğalgaz gelirlerini yönetmek amacıyla kurduğu Katar Yatırım Otoritesi aracılığıyla yurt dışında 400 milyar doları aşkın yatırım gerçekleştirdi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

if the israel or luxemburg is involved instead of qatar i am sure that there would not be any voices of concern, pretty hypocrisy exposed if i may notice.

 

[Anmdt]

Bros, Qatar is being used as investment partner for some programs by letting them form Jv institutes. The government gives order guarantee to these institutes only If Qatar promises to invest huge money on the new facilities, infrastructure and some strategic programs that these institutes were charged. In return, Qatar is not only investing but also ordering end products that was developed by Turkish engineers working in these institutes. What Qatar care is not about technology but making profit and Turkey benefits from Qatari. We have tech and they have money. A strong Turkiye is the Qatar’s benefit in region and They are investing in this way. That’s a win-win story. It is the Turkey that is providing security of Qatar around devils and they are showing their solidarity in this way. In last economic crisis, They invested 15 billion $ in a lump in 2018 and God knows How much more they have transfered in past or at present. I mean Nothing wrong in getting direct foreign investment/money on some strategic programs. Turkey asked many friend countries join to our big scale programs but noone approached in past. Today, we are partially doing it by using Qatari money. The Karasu giant tech facility will be a perfect test-bed for us in future. Only this investment worth billion $ and 10000+ employees and Tf-X turbofan/Altay 1500hp/ 1000hp/700hp/350hp turbodiesel engines and big scale marine diesel engines will be serially manufactured in there as well. These investments were the promises of Qatar. What we should do is to wait a little bit and see the developments.

It has been some years and very little is done, yet the progress is not promising and i doubt if the company knows what they are truly aiming.
I don't care about this project anymore, but my only concern is promised upgrades in tank-palet at arifiye. It is sufficient if BMC takes good care of the plant and upgrades it as promised.
I won't judge Qatar on financing but then it proves BMC were the wrong destination for such a huge finance and they still couldn't make good outcome of it. After all Qatar has got the money, they know a little about Tanks and military products, BMC should have been,technically capable,of taking good care of the money.
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[Cabatli_TR]

Bro do you have any new information about this facility? There isnt news. Last news I saw about this factory was, construction was stopped. And ıts been 2 years from that.

Bro, Acc to official roadway, This facility will be activated until 2023. There was a plan to quickly construct a section (until 2020) where Altays will be manufactured but It seems German embargo on engines broke this plan. I think they have slowed down the construction for this reason but I believe majority of them will be completed until 2023 as planned before.

 

[Sinan]

RR wouldn't give any valuable tech to Turkey in any case.
TRmotor will be the IP holder shell company; designing the engine and managing the project.
TEI will be on the production side of things.

Kale were making molds and tooling and locks and simple stuff and all of a sudden emerged as a turbine maker. Same for BMC, they will learn stuff. It only takes willpower to learn.

They ask somebody how he comes up with all those brilliant ideas that make history and he answers "I read a lot", guess who.

Bro first of all you are not somebody working on SSB management or else you wouldn't be speaking here.

1-) You don't know what would RR give Turkey in terms of tech.
2-) Let's look at TRmotor;
%55 BMC Power Motor ve Kontrol Teknolojileri A.Ş
%35 TAI
%10’luk kısmı ise SSTEK A.Ş ye aittir.

Which one has this sub-companies have capability to design a Jet engine?

3-) How do you know that TEI will do the production?

About Kale and BMC;

Look both @anmdt and myself are engineers. For myself; i'm an mechanical engineer, and even took class on turbo-machinery in the university. Nothing in engineering had been possible by will power. No innovation or breakthroughs made possible with will power, praying, good intentions. It takes scientific knowledge, right-people, good management.

 

[Sinan]

The Karasu giant tech facility will be a perfect test-bed for us in future. Only this investment worth almost billion $ and 10000+ employees and Tf-X turbofan/Altay 1500hp/ 1000hp/700hp/350hp turbodiesel engines and big scale marine diesel engines will be serially manufactured in there as well. These investments were the promises of Qatar. What we should do is to wait a little bit and see the developments.

They poured the foundation in January 2019, it's almost 2 years and nothing have been done since. Instead they leased Tank-Palet. I don't think anything will good come out of an institute that's foundation is corruption. We shall see.

 

[Combat-Master]

Prof. Dr. Mustafa Cevat Akşit, father of Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. Akşit - explaining how America tried to poach his son away with an open checkbook.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1336237251093729280

 

[Huelague]

And for me, I'm suprised how many turkish members trust qatar. Qatar is just another country. Why are we willingly position qatar into center of everything. What happens if our relations got worse in next 5 years? Whats the diference between "making turkish arm industry dependent on qatar" vs "making turkish arm industry dependent on USA". I say. There isnt any diference. You guy critisize TEI for GM shares. I expect you to say same about TR motor.

We dont trust in countries. We trust in common interests and (petro-) money.

 

[Huelague]

TEI did say they will make an engine in 14.5 years. Which means its 1 billion per year. You don't have to put 15 billion at once.

Yes it has. But ıts busy spending that money on bullshit mega projects with guarantees. I want to go in detail but this is not the place for it.

But you didnt answer my question: Do you have any evidence that qatar gives us money?

You think TEI can spend $ 1 billion per year, 15 years along?

 

[Huelague]

About will-power, and importance. Watch the Movie 'Hidden Figures'.

 

[uzaysan]

You think TEI can spend $ 1 billion per year, 15 years along?

Not TEİ. This project will be funded by SSM(or other relevant official source). And you know that. Do you really think Trmotor will develop engine without taking any money from SSM?

 

[AzeriTank]

Not TEİ. This project will be funded by SSM(or other relevant official source). And you know that. Do you really think Trmotor will develop engine without taking any money from SSM?

i said that its not the only project. so many projets to spend money... you might get TF2000 ship or 3 I class frigates every year for that money... as long as it belongs to you, what is the difference? when you get the engine, you will probably start making 6th generation engine with less heat signature, that one you might make yourself, but getting money for too long for a project that nobody knows how long it takes or when its successful... it is a gain i think...

 

[uzaysan]

i said that its not the only project. so many projets to spend money... you might get TF2000 ship or 3 I class frigates every year for that money... as long as it belongs to you, what is the difference? when you get the engine, you will probably start making 6th generation engine with less heat signature, that one you might make yourself, but getting money for too long for a project that nobody knows how long it takes or when its successful... it is a gain i think...

I'm ok with qatar paying the costs. What I'm criticizing is we don't have any evidence that qatar is actually paying. We just believe it. Because this partnerships only makes sense if qatar pays the bills. Bmc took tank palat factory because their karasu factory wasn't ready and they wanted to start production immediately. İt's understandable. But it's been 2 years from the contract. We don't see any tanks. Meanwhile they could continue the construction of karasu factory. They could easily complete the tank production factory at least and say; "Hey guys we faced some embargo. But we finished our factory. So we don't need tank palet. You can take it back. We don't need it anymore". But they didn't. Factory is stopped and God knows why. They are not keeping promises they made.

 

[Combat-Master]

TEI TS1400 is a free turbine turboshaft engine with two spool modular design; inlet particle separator (IPS) with scavenge blower; two stage centrifugal compressor, annular reverse-flow combustor; two stage gas generator turbine; two stage power turbine; dual channel aircraft mounted full authority digital engine control; self contained lubrication and electrical systems; top mounted accessory gearbox; reduction gearbox.

 

[CAN_TR]

Does the TS-1400 need a certification before exporting it?

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They laughed at Elon Musk when he came up with Tesla, now his company led the global automotive industry into a new era.
He is a perfect example what a smart man with an idea, dreams and ambition can achieve.

And honestly we have a lot of talented young people in our country, support them, motivate them and you can have your own Yerli ve Milli Elon Musk.

 

[Bogeyman]

Does the TS-1400 need a certification before exporting it?

__________________________________________________________
They laughed at Elon Musk when he came up with Tesla, now his company led the global automotive industry into a new era.
He is a perfect example what a smart man with an idea, dreams and ambition can achieve.

And honestly we have a lot of talented young people in our country, support them, motivate them and you can have your own Yerli ve Milli Elon Musk.

The military version does not require certification, although the operating conditions are more severe.

 

[Saithan]

The military version does not require certification, although the operating conditions are more severe.

But we still need to integrate it on Atak and Gökbey and run it through every test possible like with our current ATAK’s