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I have seen the video previously and I was irritated due to the fact that it was filmed inside a hall. Especially because the video producer doesn't reveal to many information about his whereabouts.
The Engine is definitely the one planned to be used in the ÖMTTZA project from FNSS PARS III 6x6 and 8x8 Vehicles.
Tümosan started this development with the help Tübitak in the year 2012 under the New Generation Diesel Engine Development program. From 155HP to 1000HP
> They had an Engine wich was an 6.8 V6 with approximately 450HP, First Ignition of that Engine back in 2016.
>But I assume they deemed it insufficent so they further developed the 7.8 V6 with 530HP and this is the one they're going with.
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>SSB saw the improvements and signed a contract with FNSS and Tümosan in 25.12.2019
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> So Timeline wise the The CEO Hilmi Tosun said that at the time (03.10.2020) they are in the 14th Month of development and they planned for 36 Months.
Logically they are aiming for 01.07.2022
The Source is a promotional Video from Tümosan at the 20 Minute mark.
> To add to that CEO of FNSS said in 05.2020:
The creation of a 450 horsepower, then 550 horsepower engine will occur perhaps at the end of the year, maybe a little earlier. We anticipate entering vehicle deliveries and even 6x6 and 8x8 vehicle tests with this engine. This will be in 2021. We will be able to show an armored vehicle with a domestic engine in 2021
Yerli motorlu zırhlı araçlar 2021'de geliyor
Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri için üretilecek yerli motorlar bu yıl ortaya çıkacak ve 6x6 ve 8x8 zırhlı kara araçlarında gelecek yıldan itibaren kullanılmaya başlanacak. - Anadolu Ajansıwww.aa.com.tr
- Which implies that the timeframe of 36 Months -> 07.2022 is very well valid. A bummer I assumed that deliveries might occur earlier.
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Another interesting Fact is that Tümosan Engineers are located in Istanbul in the R&D department and the Factory is in Konya
-> They only have 100+ Engineers.
Same with BMC POWER who has according to Osman Dur about 150 Engineers.
see 2:06
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Speaking at the ‘Delivery Ceremony for the First TS1400 Engine and Opening of the Design Center’, TUSAŞ Engine Industries, Inc. (TEI) President and CEO Prof. Mahmut AKŞİT announced that they have designed, developed, produced and successfully operated 11 engines, 10 of which were national and 1...
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No inferiority complex, you just didn't have anyone willing to take the chance. Just like how producing isn’t worth it, just buy from chinese and sell as retail earn your 15-20% from consumer. Our economy in the past didn’t even have room to breathe. We always have leader who suffer from some kind of complex, coup upon coup, even Adnan Menderes had his complexes, though he did great things, bit his complex got in the way.Interesting, in the begin he wanted to start a project. No more theory but really design a engine, but what kind answer they gived to him. Like back in the days, ther was no really ambition in Turkish people. I am talking about everyone, ther was no trust in our self. Inferiority complex was a thing among us, 24 year later ther is a light. If ther was maybe 10 people at least like him, ther would be project started back in the days.
The engine looks big, is it really that big or it look like this in the image ?
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It is supposed to have some test rig elements on it. The end product should be as compact as it gets.
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Mr Akşit: First trials of PD-180 was done.
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"We have some studies on TEI-TS3000. In fact, a larger engine than that is currently being spoken. It has not started officially, but it has preliminary work. "
I don't understand this translation fully. Is this larger engine a different engine than the TS3000?
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Even bigger means like 4500hp to me as there are turboprops of that power on planes. But it can as well mean 3500hp as the Atak 2 needs such an engine. So what are we supposed to dream of now?
Let's say we want to follow the recent trends in helicopter making and improve the 3000hp by 20% which means 3600hp, this is still a good target and can give us many possibilities for deployments. From Atak 2 to high lift helicopters including 3 engine ones if needed. They can also be considering deriveing such an engine to power marine platforms as well which makes sense.
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I don't think the T929 needs that much power. 2x 3000 hp is more than enough. We'll see what time tells. (I often repeat this because it is literally a matter of when, not if Turkey develops more and more engines and newer technologies)
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We still don't know the exact specs of Atak 2 as it grew from 8 tons to 10 tons and it still has potential to grow. We also have the 10 ton utility helicopter that can grow. Also possibilities of other helicopters including next generation compound models can kick in. US has increased their 3k hp model by 20% for their compound models that will be put into use in a decades time. You never know where the sweet of power will fall.
Next gen choppers will have 3000shp engines. The US is even planning to replace the engines on Apache and UH-60 helicopters with the T901 engine.
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Bigger engine means more fuel consumption and carrying more fuel. But for sea operations you do need a powerful engine to be under the covers. For an Apache size helicopter a 2000HP engine should suffice.
Our army chiefs must have a different end use for the helicopters, such as quick acceleration, quick rise rate at full load, more useful load and better armour etc.
More power than 3000HP is reminiscent of c47 size helicopters or tilt rotor crafts like v22 ospreys.
Our army chiefs must have a different end use for the helicopters, such as quick acceleration, quick rise rate at full load, more useful load and better armour etc.
More power than 3000HP is reminiscent of c47 size helicopters or tilt rotor crafts like v22 ospreys.
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Yes, but Turkey is not yet at that level (t901)
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Next gen choppers will have single engines.
Specifically US FARA project compound helicopters will be like that.
Rotating Detonation Engine Technologies (page 23)
Roketsan is developing a combustion chamber for Scramjet engines. It has been announced that the lower limit of the developed engine technology is 4.4 Mach and the upper limit is capable of flying at speeds between 7.3 Mach.
Meanwhile, ROKETSAN announced that "Rotating Detonation Engine Technologies" can be used in Hypersonic cruise missiles.
Roketsan is developing a combustion chamber for Scramjet engines. It has been announced that the lower limit of the developed engine technology is 4.4 Mach and the upper limit is capable of flying at speeds between 7.3 Mach.
Meanwhile, ROKETSAN announced that "Rotating Detonation Engine Technologies" can be used in Hypersonic cruise missiles.
Can you believe that Turkey is developing scramjet engine!
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And Tübitak SAGE is working on ramjet/scramjet too which makes two of them.
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That means they already have a ramjet engine!
Supersonic Combustion Ramjet = scramjet.
Welcome Turkish “Meteor” AAM.
