TR Propulsion Systems

[Zafer]

Up to 36000 lb is achievable by lowering TAC from 6000h to 4300h to overhaul. If Turkey managed up to 1400 degrees Celsius by 2020, if not earlier, then 1500 degrees continuously is surely achievable by the first engine ignition.

Edit: I should say up to 34000lb with up to 36000lb with further engine enhancements

(PDF) F110-GE-129 EFE — Enhanced Power Through Low Risk Derivative Technology

PDF | The F110-GE-129 EFE (Enhanced Fighter Engine), presently undergoing qualification testing, is being offered at two different thrust/inspection... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

4300 hours is a respectable time, 6000 hrs is rather a novelty.

 

[TheInsider]

Good news KTJ-3200 turbojet engine passed the acceptance tests and gearing up for serial production. Serial production will start by the end of this year(I expect the official contract to be signed at IDEF). Integration of the KTJ-3200 to the SOM missile also goes on. Live fire tests from SOM/Atmaca missiles will be done by the end of this year and early 2022.

KTJ-3200 Tubojet Motoru için seri üretim zamanı

KALE ArGe tarafından geliştirilen KTJ-3200 Turbojet Motoru’nda, seri üretim aşamasına geçildi. KTJ-3200 seri üretiminin, yıl sonuna kadar başlaması bekleniyor.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Oublious]

So now we started with T-929, how is our enginge project doing for the T-929?

 

[Saithan]

So now we started with T-929, how is our enginge project doing for the T-929?

I think we'll see the national engine on Gökbey and 629 projekt. I really hope we'll see it produced and used in domestic helicopters.

 

[Yasar_TR]

“TEI-TS1400 Motorumuz 2023'te Gökbey ile uçuşa hazır olacak”

TEI Genel Müdürü ve Yönetim Kurulu Başkanı Prof. Dr. Mahmut Faruk Akşit, TEI-TS1400 motorunun Gökbey ile uçuşa hazır olacağını belirtti

www.savunmasanayiidergilik.com

MD of TEI, Professor Mahmut Aksit, has said that the TS1400 turbo shaft engine will be ready to fly Gokbey Helicopter in 2023.
In other words the engines they delivered are not going to be used to fly Gokbey as previously suggested. Either they are being used to evaluate the compatibility of the engines to the Gokbey or they were found to be not up to intended standards.
We seem to be amassing a lot of expectations for 2023. I hope this is not a political game.!
Also PD170 he said, will be completing it’s integration work to the Aksungur UAV. Does that mean, PD170 has been powering the Aksungur and going through integration work, or all this time Aksungur was actually flying with PD155?

So 2023 expectations:
Altay tank
TFX roll out & engine firing
I-Class frigate
TS1400 with Gokbey first flight

feel free to add !
I hope the Hurjet first flight and Piri Reis delivery to Navy scheduled for 2022 are not postponed to 2023 as well.
TCG Anadolu will probably be ready not before 2023 either. (Theoretically they must still be working on a launch and landing system for UAV’s)

 

[TheInsider]

It takes around 1 year of integration work when a new engine is delivered and TS-1400 has currently no certification. You cant officially fly with an engine before the engine completes its certification process. TEI delivered TS-1400 engines to the TUSAS so that TUSAS can start the integration work while TEI is busy with engine certification(takes a long time like aircraft certification). TUSAS will also do its own tests on TS-1400 similar to Baykar testing the AL-450T. Gokbey will probably fly(experimentally) with TS-1400 before 2023. In 2023 it will be fully integrated and certified to the Gokbey. TS-1400 will be mass-produced in 2024.

Aksungur project started with PD-155. In the second prototype, Tusas switched to the PD-170. A while ago the engine testing and integration works are done. Aksungur flew a lot of sorties with PD-170 for months. More than 20 PD-170 will be delivered this year. Some PD-170 will also be delivered to Baykar for some of their projects. I expect PD-170 to be used on TB3.

 

[Ecderha]

It takes around 1 year of integration work when a new engine is delivered and TS-1400 has currently no certification. You cant officially fly with an engine before the engine completes its certification process. TEI delivered TS-1400 engines to the TUSAS so that TUSAS can start the integration work while TEI is busy with engine certification(takes a long time like aircraft certification). TUSAS will also do its own tests on TS-1400 similar to Baykar testing the AL-450T. Gokbey will probably fly(experimentally) with TS-1400 before 2023. In 2023 it will be fully integrated and certified to the Gokbey. TS-1400 will be mass-produced in 2024.

Aksungur project started with PD-155. In the second prototype, Tusas switched to the PD-170. A while ago the engine testing and integration works are done. Aksungur flew a lot of sorties with PD-170 for months. More than 20 PD-170 will be delivered this year. Some PD-170 will also be delivered to Baykar for some of their projects. I expect PD-170 to be used on TB3.

"Certification" in bref mean -> Document -> Sating that as a professional you've been prepared and meet a specific set of criteria.
As we talking about a product, then it is mean that process of building of product need to prove that it meet specific set of criteria when building it.

Example you want to SELL this product to EU or USA or JAPAN.
They want YOU to show to them that you have "Specific Certificate that they will accept" in order to sell this produt on their market ( this is one of many small tricks which west created decate ago, just make obstucales to competitors to sell products etc.).
So
This Certificate is awarded only after you've passed the proper assessments administered by a recognized third-party at moment it mean EU licensed company person/s which will have to check all process in producer place in order to sign and give certificate credential.
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For Turkiye mean product is ready to be used/tested/updated. It is not idea, it is not on workship desk, it is not talking shit !

What I am trying to SAY is that TS-1400 engine WILL continue to be changed and main Customer is Turkish Army and They have own requiremets and acceptents for the product and this mean that "Certificate" we talking mean less even nothing for them at moment.

Important thing is TS-1400 as product is ready (prototype) to be integeted to Platform (helicopter) and test it.

 

[TheInsider]

You can't sell or fly a civilian helicopter(other than experimental purposes) without helicopter and engine certificates. EASA will assign experts and TUSAS and TEI will prove to them in live tests that their products meet certain criteria. For military uses things are easier. EASA certification process takes around 2 years so Gokbey can be delivered with LHTEC engines in 2022.

 

[Philips]

 

[Yasar_TR]

These are the real Diesel engine Gurus. They specialise in Diesel engines. But mainly in Marine and railway locomotive engines. You may find that this particular engine too is for same type of end use.
But, interestingly Tulomsas has declared that they are subcontractors for the Altay Tank.
In an interview Prof. Akşit had said that there are two very accomplished Diesel engine manufacturers in Turkey that could manufacture engines from scratch: TEI and Tulomsas .

TULOMSAS Produced 1000 HP National Diesel Engine

TÜLOMSAŞ Produced National Diesel Engine with 1000 HP Power

en.rayhaber.com

 

[Hexciter]

TEI Gen Manager Mahmut Faruk Akşit, about TEI-TJ300:
"Our engine set a world record in its class with a diameter of 224mm and thrust of 1,342N."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1412374026450837506

 

[Test7]

TEI General Manager Aksit;

''51% of the T700-TEI-701D engine produced at TEI is produced locally''. All critical parts, including the combustion chamber, can be produced in the TEI. 47 (T700-TEI-701D) engines have been produced so far. We can produce 1 engine per week.

 

[Philips]

a diameter of 224mm

I know this has been quoted by many news outlets, but I I have a feeling it is a mispronunciation of Aksit. Does anyone have the original source of the 224mm claim?

 

[TheInsider]

I'm skeptical about 224mm. It might be the difference between the inner-outer diameter.

 

[Combat-Master]

They could have reduced the diameter by increasing length. PDF on TEI's website also states a thrust of 1400N

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1414601042289991682

METU Machinery / METU Aeronautics / Koç University and Tei Alternative Liquid Fuels have launched the projecting of turbulent burning in the high pressure environment.

The project will probably be the first step of the Ramjet engine Gökhan Air-Air Missile.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1414601042289991682

METU Machinery / METU Aeronautics / Koç University and Tei Alternative Liquid Fuels have launched the projecting of turbulent burning in the high pressure environment.

The project will probably be the first step of the Ramjet Motor Gökhan Air-Air Missile.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1202283125579145217

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1332004809394806784

Professor Dr. İskender Gokalp carried out the brain immigration from France to Turkey. In METU, it will establish a center of excellence related to combustion technologies. In METU, they were working on gas turbine technologies.

 

[Stuka]

TEI General Manager Mahmut Faruk Akşit.

> TEI has close to 3000 Employees.

> He Talks about Awards the Company has gotten.
- Best Employer in Turkey
- Best Place to work for Women in the World (According to Female Aviation Institution compared to 52 Countries)
- 29th most sought Company in Turkey for University Students (127 Universities have been polled)
- 5th Place in terms of R&D spending of Budget in Turkey (R%D 250)

> He Talks about The TEI Online School for Aircraft Engines, which they initiated this Spring for University Students.
- Over 5000 Students from 167 different Universities joined the Program.
- Awarded best in terms of Remote Education.

> Engine Development in the past 6 Months
- 5th December delivery of TS1400 is named TS3 and they finished the Twin of that Engine the TS4 and are in advanced Stage of Testing
- TJ300 World Record. 224mm Diameter 1342N (400HP) Power. Developed in 2.5 Years.
- Crystal Blades production in Collaboration with Tübitak MAM

> Future
- TEI felts the Pandemic due to Planes being on the Ground but The Orders are a great Indication that there will be a huge Increase.

 

[Philips]

MoU was signed at IDEF 2019 with Caterpillar UK for the development of a powerpack made of a V12 1200hp diesel engine and Allison X1100-5A3 transmission for Firtina-II SPH. Turkey choose another company though (Ukraine?) and the new engine is to be completed this year and tested on the Firtina-II next year.
According to some sources, a contract with Ivchenko-Progress will soon be singed for cooperation in the development of the TF-X turbofan engine.

- Defence Turkey Magazine issue 108 p.56

 

[Zafer]

MoU was signed at IDEF 2019 with Caterpillar UK for the development of a powerpack made of a V12 1200hp diesel engine and Allison X1100-5A3 transmission for Firtina-II SPH. Turkey choose another company though (Ukraine?) and the new engine is to be completed this year and tested on the Firtina-II next year.
According to some sources, a contract with Ivchenko-Progress will soon be singed for cooperation in the development of the TF-X turbofan engine.

- Defence Turkey Magazine issue 108 p.56

It was before the UTKU engine apparently.

Cooperation with Ivchenko-Progress means we do not want to depend on GE or RR.