TR Propulsion Systems

[DBdev]

@Nilgiri You are the engine expert here. Will any of these hypersonic 6th gen jet engines become reality?

Some designs here seem simple enough that I feel like we are at the edge of global hypersonic travel era.
Considering all air travel is STILL subsonic with pentagon investing in Darkhorse, NGAD etc. a giant leap to Mach 10+ seems both sci-fi and reality.

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[Oublious]

TEI is plannin to ignite Tf6000 fist quarter of 2024, he is talking about other engines maturing, upgrading en certification.

 

[Nilgiri]

@Nilgiri You are the engine expert here. Will any of these hypersonic 6th gen jet engines become reality?

Some designs here seem simple enough that I feel like we are at the edge of global hypersonic travel era.
Considering all air travel is STILL subsonic with pentagon investing in Darkhorse, NGAD etc. a giant leap to Mach 10+ seems both sci-fi and reality.

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Very high chance they will be become reality. Just matter of time.

Hypersonic is no real huge change from supersonic regime (compared to subsonic to supersonic) in lot of fundamental physics involved etc.

It is basically diminishing returns on the same set of issues supersonic faces.

Much higher computation power available now will brute force solve lot of issues in the coming years.....these were simply not available in the era from say 1950 - 2000 (which have huge inertia in the capital technology still out there and the also important efforts of making them better etc).

But for this chunk of 50 years and next chunk of 50 years this century, the computation and AI power will be huge catalysts.

 

[Strong AI]

Because TEI is the only company with know how, infrastructure and experience to build something like that in the country and they are basically the biggest contributor? And because TF6000 is basically the tech demonstrator for kaan engine built by TEI?

ChatGPT:

Technically, developing a bigger turbofan engine out of a smaller one is not a simple task and goes beyond just "enlarging" the parts. The process requires complex engineering, design, and testing.

Firstly, turbofan engines are complex machinery built to very precise specifications, and their performance depends heavily on their design and dimensions. A small increase in size could greatly affect their operation, possibly leading to decreased efficiency, overheating, or mechanical failure.

Secondly, the materials used in turbofan engines are chosen for their specific properties at particular sizes. If you were to simply scale up every part of the engine, these materials may not have the desired properties at the larger size. The strength, weight, and heat-resistance of the materials could all change in ways that are difficult to predict.

Lastly, many aspects of the engine's operation, such as the flow of air and fuel, the combustion process, and the way the engine is cooled, would all change if the engine were scaled up. These changes would require complex adjustments to the engine's design and operation.

In conclusion, while it is theoretically possible, it would require extensive research, development, and testing which could be very time-consuming and costly. You would almost be building a new engine from scratch, rather than "developing" a bigger engine out of a smaller one. Thus, it would be better to either modify the existing engine to increase its efficiency and power output or design a new larger engine from the ground up.

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So this means that TF-35000 will be very likely not based on TF-6000.
TF-6000 is only seen as a step towards TF-35000 by TEI.
TRMOTOR is working on TF-35000 for several years now.
Are you saying that the engineers at TRMOTOR have no know-how?

 

[uçuyorum]

ChatGPT:

Technically, developing a bigger turbofan engine out of a smaller one is not a simple task and goes beyond just "enlarging" the parts. The process requires complex engineering, design, and testing.

Firstly, turbofan engines are complex machinery built to very precise specifications, and their performance depends heavily on their design and dimensions. A small increase in size could greatly affect their operation, possibly leading to decreased efficiency, overheating, or mechanical failure.

Secondly, the materials used in turbofan engines are chosen for their specific properties at particular sizes. If you were to simply scale up every part of the engine, these materials may not have the desired properties at the larger size. The strength, weight, and heat-resistance of the materials could all change in ways that are difficult to predict.

Lastly, many aspects of the engine's operation, such as the flow of air and fuel, the combustion process, and the way the engine is cooled, would all change if the engine were scaled up. These changes would require complex adjustments to the engine's design and operation.

In conclusion, while it is theoretically possible, it would require extensive research, development, and testing which could be very time-consuming and costly. You would almost be building a new engine from scratch, rather than "developing" a bigger engine out of a smaller one. Thus, it would be better to either modify the existing engine to increase its efficiency and power output or design a new larger engine from the ground up.

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So this means that TF-35000 will be very likely not based on TF-6000.
TF-6000 is only seen as a step towards TF-35000 by TEI.
TRMOTOR is working on TF-35000 for several years now.
Are you saying that the engineers at TRMOTOR have no know-how?

A company does not just work by cumulation of engineers CVs sadly. Actual project experience is everything for a team to become truly productive. You can take this statement for every engineering project.

For TF6000 i specifically said tech demonstrator and not ptototype.

 

[Spitfire9]

ChatGPT:

Technically, developing a bigger turbofan engine out of a smaller one is not a simple task and goes beyond just "enlarging" the parts. The process requires complex engineering, design, and testing.

Firstly, turbofan engines are complex machinery built to very precise specifications, and their performance depends heavily on their design and dimensions. A small increase in size could greatly affect their operation, possibly leading to decreased efficiency, overheating, or mechanical failure.

Secondly, the materials used in turbofan engines are chosen for their specific properties at particular sizes. If you were to simply scale up every part of the engine, these materials may not have the desired properties at the larger size. The strength, weight, and heat-resistance of the materials could all change in ways that are difficult to predict.

Lastly, many aspects of the engine's operation, such as the flow of air and fuel, the combustion process, and the way the engine is cooled, would all change if the engine were scaled up. These changes would require complex adjustments to the engine's design and operation.

In conclusion, while it is theoretically possible, it would require extensive research, development, and testing which could be very time-consuming and costly. You would almost be building a new engine from scratch, rather than "developing" a bigger engine out of a smaller one. Thus, it would be better to either modify the existing engine to increase its efficiency and power output or design a new larger engine from the ground up.

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So this means that TF-35000 will be very likely not based on TF-6000.
TF-6000 is only seen as a step towards TF-35000 by TEI.
TRMOTOR is working on TF-35000 for several years now.
Are you saying that the engineers at TRMOTOR have no know-how?

Given what is written above, is this report likely to be accurate?

Türkiye's top engine manufacturer on Tuesday said a unit that will power the nation's first domestically developed fighter jet is almost ready, in what will mark the industry's latest advancement in a homegrown drive to curb external dependency on critical equipment.

Turkish engine maker says fighter jet power unit almost ready

Türkiye's top engine manufacturer on Tuesday said a unit that will power the nation's first domestically developed fighter jet is almost ready,...

www.dailysabah.com

 

[Strong AI]

Given what is written above, is this report likely to be accurate?

Turkish engine maker says fighter jet power unit almost ready

Türkiye's top engine manufacturer on Tuesday said a unit that will power the nation's first domestically developed fighter jet is almost ready,...

www.dailysabah.com

"The TF10000, envisaged to produce 6,000 lbf of thrust and power many manned and unmanned aviation platforms, including KAAN, is almost complete, Akşit said."

TF10000 has nothing to do with KAAN.

 

[Spitfire9]

"The TF10000, envisaged to produce 6,000 lbf of thrust and power many manned and unmanned aviation platforms, including KAAN, is almost complete, Akşit said."

TF10000 has nothing to do with KAAN.

Understood. Inaccurate reporting.

Are there any signs that TR6000 is nearing its first run?

 

[TheInsider]

Understood. Inaccurate reporting.

Are there any signs that TR6000 is nearing its first run?

Yes there are.

 

[TheInsider]

ChatGPT:

Technically, developing a bigger turbofan engine out of a smaller one is not a simple task and goes beyond just "enlarging" the parts. The process requires complex engineering, design, and testing.

Firstly, turbofan engines are complex machinery built to very precise specifications, and their performance depends heavily on their design and dimensions. A small increase in size could greatly affect their operation, possibly leading to decreased efficiency, overheating, or mechanical failure.

Secondly, the materials used in turbofan engines are chosen for their specific properties at particular sizes. If you were to simply scale up every part of the engine, these materials may not have the desired properties at the larger size. The strength, weight, and heat-resistance of the materials could all change in ways that are difficult to predict.

Lastly, many aspects of the engine's operation, such as the flow of air and fuel, the combustion process, and the way the engine is cooled, would all change if the engine were scaled up. These changes would require complex adjustments to the engine's design and operation.

In conclusion, while it is theoretically possible, it would require extensive research, development, and testing which could be very time-consuming and costly. You would almost be building a new engine from scratch, rather than "developing" a bigger engine out of a smaller one. Thus, it would be better to either modify the existing engine to increase its efficiency and power output or design a new larger engine from the ground up.

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So this means that TF-35000 will be very likely not based on TF-6000.
TF-6000 is only seen as a step towards TF-35000 by TEI.
TRMOTOR is working on TF-35000 for several years now.
Are you saying that the engineers at TRMOTOR have no know-how?

No. Developing TF-6000 is directly tied to the TF-35000. It is like before producing a big UAV you produce a smaller model and test your technology on that model to save money and time.

 

[Rodeo]

Understood. Inaccurate reporting.

Are there any signs that TR6000 is nearing its first run?

within a few weeks

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1760658226436059257

 

[Strong AI]

And nice strawman you got going there, diesel engines and 5th gen jet engines are just the same thing of course.

Yes, every nation on earth has its own developed 1500hp tank engine and BMC Power had a ton of experience before developing the BATU power pack.
Oh, wait...

And the officials telling that the domestic engines of KAAN will be ready like by 2030, are just stupid or selling just dreams for votes?

 

[boredaf]

Yes, every nation on earth has its own developed 1500hp tank engine and BMC Power had a ton of experience before developing the BATU power pack.

Equating a diesel engine with jet engine even as an example is just disingenuous. You keep doing that though, whatever makes you happy.

And the officials telling that the domestic engines of KAAN will be ready like by 2030, are just stupid or selling just dreams for votes?

We'll see in 4 to 6 years, as they keep saying 2028, won't we? Wouldn't be the first time for our officials to overpromise and underdeliver. You believe whatever you want mate, I can't blindly believe in things.

 

[2033]

Yes, every nation on earth has its own developed 1500hp tank engine and BMC Power had a ton of experience before developing the BATU power pack.
Oh, wait...

And the officials telling that the domestic engines of KAAN will be ready like by 2030, are just stupid or selling just dreams for votes?

It's been 5-6 years since the first TS1400 engine was first firing and it is still not in mass production.

It takes more than 2 years just to test the engine in the air.

 

[Strong AI]

 

[Sanchez]

TF6000 First run!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1766463504020545839

 

[2033]

TF6000 First run!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1766463504020545839

Very big news!!

 

[Zafer]

Happy engine start day!
"Start your engines"

 

[fushkee]

So exciting news!

 

[Zafer]

Also first official statement that Kızılelma will use the TF6000 made by the SSB Chief Prof Dr. Haluk Görgün.