Defence Fair SAHA EXPO 2026

[boredaf]

Who made infographics are not the same who made the products

No, the people who made the graphic are the same people who made the "engine" because 465 inch was quite literally written on the display in Saha Expo and could be seen on the photos. Sure, it is a typo, but it is utterly embarrassing because they had time to come up with these information cards themselves and still fucked it up.

And I've got a fucking bridge to sell anyone who believes in that engine. Slightly used but in a great location in Istanbul.

 

[fushkee]

There is no news about Gezgin?
I would be expecting that they were going to show a mock-up or something like that so far.

 

[Huelague]

There is no news about Gezgin?
I would be expecting that they were going to show a mock-up or something like that so far.

Its in our inventory long ago.

 

[Ahlatshah]

There is no news about Gezgin?
I would be expecting that they were going to show a mock-up or something like that so far.

- No news about Gezgin

- No news about Cenk

- No demonstration about TF3500, even as a mock up level

and someone come out and say 6000 km of a missile and a 42.5k engine, for a country which does not possess nuclear warhead and has not produced turbofan engine. We will be able get there of course, but now?

Especially that engine. Who the one with a right mind can believe "with a handful people" can create such an engine? As Ziya Paşa says "Do you think the world is blind and the people is foolish?". With what right someone undermining our other companies' honest work at SAHA EXPO and affect negatively of credibility and reputation of our entire defence industry. What the hell is going on here?

I have never felt embarrased this much about our industry since the days of "erke dönergeci".

 

[I_Love_F16]

- No news about Gezgin

- No news about Cenk

- No demonstration about TF3500, even as a mock up level

and someone come out and say 6000 km of a missile and a 42.5k engine, for a country which does not possess nuclear warhead and has not produced turbofan engine. We will be able get there of course, but now?

Especially that engine. Who the one with a right mind can believe "with a handful people" can create such an engine? As Ziya Paşa says "Do you think the world is blind and the people is foolish?". With what right someone undermining our other companies' honest work at SAHA EXPO and affect negatively of credibility and reputation of our entire defence industry. What the hell is going on here?

I have never felt embarrased this much about our industry since the days of "erke dönergeci".

Well said, I have the exact same opinion as yours. MSB R&D are not to be taken serious according to some respectable members. But that shit show is still going to left a bad mark to the entire industry. Anyways, I hope we will get some good news about other stuff in the coming days / weeks.

 

[Ripley]

- No news about Gezgin

- No news about Cenk

- No demonstration about TF3500, even as a mock up level

and someone come out and say 6000 km of a missile and a 42.5k engine, for a country which does not possess nuclear warhead and has not produced turbofan engine. We will be able get there of course, but now?

Especially that engine. Who the one with a right mind can believe "with a handful people" can create such an engine? As Ziya Paşa says "Do you think the world is blind and the people is foolish?". With what right someone undermining our other companies' honest work at SAHA EXPO and affect negatively of credibility and reputation of our entire defence industry. What the hell is going on here?

I have never felt embarrased this much about our industry since the days of "erke dönergeci".

Well said, I have the exact same opinion as yours. MSB R&D are not to be taken serious according to some respectable members. But that shit show is still going to left a bad mark to the entire industry. Anyways, I hope we will get some good news about other stuff in the coming days / weeks.

It is embarrassing indeed

Let’s just cross our fingers and hope that this is not just a glimpse of future of our militray industry that we’ve nurturing for decades.

 

[GoatsMilk]

It is embarrassing indeed

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Let’s just cross our fingers and hope that this is not just a glimpse of future of our militray industry that we’ve nurturing for decades.

Proper Iran vibes. I don't understand why a country like Turkiye whose shown very real projects and successes would need to pull something like this. Doesnt make any sense.

 

[Ripley]

Proper Iran vibes. I don't understand why a country like Turkiye whose shown very real projects and successes would need to pull something like this. Doesnt make any sense.

Actually makes sense when you think about the past few weeks. Von der Layen blunder, Greece up the ante encouraged by EU and Israel, Israel systematically defaming Turkey and painting it as the next evil enemy of the West.
My guess, they, in a very amateurish fashion, staged this farce.

I believe we should look at this from a wider angle, not only as an embarrassing gaff of propaganda.
This looks more of show of military muscle as a political tool for some certain actors.

And here’s some reaction from one certain actor

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051736183542263813

 

[GoatsMilk]

Actually makes sense when you think about the past few weeks. Von der Layen blunder, Greece up the ante encouraged by EU and Israel, Israel systematically defaming Turkey and painting it as the next evil enemy of the West.
My guess, they, in a very amateurish fashion, staged this farce.


And here’s some reaction from one certain actor

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2051736183542263813

Surely Isreal and others will know its a farce. Likewise Isreal will use it to beat the war drums that Turkiye is indeed a threat. No different to how a small arab nation like iraq was turned into a massive threat for the united states.

Dumb stunt to pull and in the long run it works to damage the credibility of the entire defence industry that had built up an exceptional status globally.

We go down this "iran" route where our people are so easily fooled that any piece of shit can be put in front of them and they rejoice and we will find ourselves big losers like the iranians find themselves today.

 

[TurkWolf]

And here’s some reaction from one certain actor

Did this cross my mind. Maybe it's some veiled message to Israel or others? I mean, it's the only explanation I can think of.
But, deep down I am hoping we're playing some sort of 4D Chess and we do have something to surprise but doing this cringe show into thinking we're being Iran 2?
I am clutching at straws I guess.. but who knows.

 

[Pilatino]

Guys, I honestly think MSB R&D is nothing more than an Iranian-style, shamelessly immoral "initiative" cooked up just to harvest votes from confused electors. I really don't know if they needed to go this far; last year, they showed up with similarly "interesting" and arguably irrelevant products from completely unrelated fields of expertise.

When I visited their booth to ask for information, the guy there had the nerve to tell me they were working "quietly and behind the scenes." I am truly ashamed on behalf of the decision-makers who for whatever reason are willing to risk casting a shadow over the institutions and individuals who actually put in the sweat and hard work, and by extension, the entire country. As a citizen, I’m beyond frustrated at being treated like a fool by fools, and I sincerely hope this is the last year we see this.

CHANGE MY MIND, (Please?)...


P.S. Not to forget, while the questions in the public's mind are obvious, there isn't a peep from those funded, so-called "media monkeys" who blast news on X and every other platform the second a public institution does a launch. For God's sake, step up and ask about these contradictions if it’s a "secret project," what is it doing at an expo? If the cards are on the table, then why all this mystery? I’d say at least say something subtle to put people's minds at ease, but it seems there's nothing to say! And when you write about these things, those jobless frauds even monitor the forums just to block you on X.

 

[TurkWolf]

if it’s a "secret project," what is it doing at an expo?

This is the only thing that doesn't make sense and has me scratching my head. If the aim is to show others we're this and that. why the hell reveal for all the world to see?

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

MSB AR-GE is like a state-owned version of STM, but even more project oriented rather than manufacturing based. So in other words, MSB AR-GE doesn't build stuff. If this ICBM is indeed ready, it's the product of Roketsan, TÜBITAK, Aselsan, etc. MSB AR-GE oversees the project, pumps resources into research and relays TSKs requirements to these companies. It seems to have been set up for highly strategic projects.

That is the gist of it. Now if you ask me for the authenticity of either the engine or the ICBM, I can't really reveal anything.

 

[boredaf]

This is the only thing that doesn't make sense and has me scratching my head. If the aim is to show others we're this and that. why the hell reveal for all the world to see?

That's the only thing that doesn't make any sense about these so-called "projects" to you?

 

[Zafer]

No, the purpose of military factories and shipyards is production. I think you forgot that Asfat is affiliated with the Ministry of National Defense.

Yes for manufacturing but no for R&D.

 

[Zafer]

Seems to me that MSB Arge is a project of the current MOD and it punches above its head and mostly gives political messages.

MOD said "There won't be hesitation to use these weapons". While it is also a technical matter as the weapons are not of the dirty type hence they can be used more freely there certainly is a political tone to it too.

Are they useful, they can be if they focus on their credibility, like not showing off when they haven't achieved usable results and focusing on one or two problems rather than many.

It is more like Trump style rather than Iran style, still punching above their weight but can make it work under favorable conditions.

 

[Iskander]

LightLightning Strikes the Russians🫣
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"Türkiye unveiled its first Yıldırımhan ICBM with a range of up to 6 km.

Türkiye unveiled its first intercontinental ballistic missile rocket Yıldırımhan (Yıldırımhan) at the SAHA 2026 exhibition. The missile has a range of 6000 km and can carry a warhead weighing up to three tons.

The new missile was reportedly designed by the Turkish Ministry of National Defense's Research and Development Center.
Turkish Defense Minister Yaşar Güler, who attended the presentation, called the missile a powerful deterrent and said the country would use it if necessary.

What is known about the rocket?

According to the technical specifications presented at the stand, Yıldırımhan is capable of reaching speeds from 9 to 25 Machs, which classifies it as hypersonic. armsThis speed, according to the developers, allows the missile to overcome existing systems. Defense and about.

The rocket is equipped with four liquid-fueled nitrogen tetroxide engines.

The development of a domestically produced intercontinental ballistic missile is a significant step forward for Turkey in the development of its defense industry, placing the country among a select group of countries possessing such technology. With a stated range of 6000 km, the missile is capable of reaching targets across most of Europe, Africa, and East Asia.

It's worth noting that Yıldırımhan wasn't the only significant innovation Turkey presented at the exhibition. Turkish companies also showcased a number of new systems, including loitering munitions, attack unmanned aerial vehicles, and naval surface vehicles"

https://en.topwar.ru/282203-turcija-predstavila-svoju-pervuju-mbr-yldrmhan-s-dalnostju-do-6-tysjach-km.html

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[Bogeyman]

Yes for manufacturing but no for R&D.

ARMERKOM is considered the brain of the Navy's R&D. The Gölcük shipyard is also like that. The Air Force also underwent a similar restructuring in recent years. I saw a picture of their makeshift R&D building.