TR Sensors and Detector Programs

[Joe mark]

So you are blindly accepting what they are saying? Did you asked proof or source from them?

He just don't want to hear that turkish products are high tech and quality

 

[Afif]

He just don't want to hear that turkish products are high tech and quality

I was trying to make guesstimate about F-35s RCS. And F-35s RCS has to do with its own capability, not with the high quality of Turkish products. ( which is another matter )

But it seems you didn't comprehend.

And I literally said in my post about ERIS,
"It is an excellent radar with cutting age GaN based dual axis AESA technology."

But clearly, you had to miss that sentence.

 

[Era_shield]

0.0015 in X-band if I recall correctly. With concentration on an arc, it gives almost 120 km even with that RCS. But as you said, detecting it and directing a Siper missile to it are two different things. Hopefully the people who made EIRS put some thought in how to use the FCR better as well.

For a system like Siper, directing it to a target is a lot easier than older systems like the S-400. Siper missiles don't need radio guidance nor do they need the target to be illuminated by a FCR. The target status can also be updated while the missile is en-route. Effectively, once the target is detected by EIRS, if it's in the engagement envelope of the Siper it can be brought to bear on it.

 

[Radonsider]

Seems like it uses EİRS to guide the missile in this video/test

 

[Anmdt]

I was trying to make guesstimate about F-35s RCS. And F-35s RCS has to do with its own capability, not with the high quality of Turkish products. ( which is another matter )

But it seems you didn't comprehend.

And I literally said in my post about ERIS,
"It is an excellent radar with cutting age GaN based dual axis AESA technology."

But clearly, you had to miss that sentence.

Few things to add,
There is nothing secret with EIRS range for 1m^2 at 470, it is a common practice for X - S and L bands range to be given for 1m^2 (hence the simplicity of using it for logarithmic calculations or using the relations for radar range estimation) for K, 0.1m^2 is preferred.


The RCS is given for SISO case, where T/R is more like a point. Telling this for a reason, EIRS full potential will be revealed later. (MIMO, multi-static, bi-static, pyas just dropping the keywords)

EIRS can be fully integrated into HAKIM, or coupled with other radars in vicinity to update the image, exchange tracking data, identification. One Kalkan-II operatint in LPI mode or a PYAS may detect a target and help EIRS to track it with precision at a range that it won't be possible to track.

Etc. Etc. This is not my branch but i got to learn a bit during the studies for survivability.

 

[Radonsider]

Few things to add,
There is nothing secret with EIRS range for 1m^2 at 470, it is a common practice for X - S and L bands range to be given for 1m^2 (hence the simplicity of using it for logarithmic calculations or using the relations for radar range estimation) for K, 0.1m^2 is preferred.


The RCS is given for SISO case, where T/R is more like a point. Telling this for a reason, EIRS full potential will be revealed later. (MIMO, multi-static, bi-static, pyas just dropping the keywords)

EIRS can be fully integrated into HAKIM, or coupled with other radars in vicinity to update the image, exchange tracking data, identification. One Kalkan-II operatint in LPI mode or a PYAS may detect a target and help EIRS to track it with precision at a range that it won't be possible to track.

Etc. Etc. This is not my branch but i got to learn a bit during the studies for survivability.

Wow, TF-2000 will be an air defence beast. Or İstif with Siper B2 (as per İbrahim Sünnetçi, it will be able to use them in quadpack config.)

 

[zio]

We should made kalkan II an GaN based aesa and called it kalkan III

 

[Anmdt]

Wow, TF-2000 will be an air defence beast. Or İstif with Siper B2 (as per İbrahim Sünnetçi, it will be able to use them in quadpack config.)

I still doubt quadpacked siper b2 based on the information i had regarding to the dimensions, either he knows something i don't or he mixes b1 with b2, or the person who told him had mixed up b1 with b2. Nonetheless, Siper b1 (hisar-rf with booster or ex Hisar-U) will be quadpacked and b2 will be single packed.

 

[Radonsider]

I still doubt quadpacked siper b2 based on the information i had regarding to the dimensions, either he knows something i don't or he mixes b1 with b2, or the person who told him had mixed up b1 with b2. Nonetheless, Siper b1 (hisar-rf with booster or ex Hisar-U) will be quadpacked and b2 will be single packed.

Will it retain the range?

 

[Anmdt]

Will it retain the range?

B1? Yes it should, but there are priorities; a fully operational MILDAS, quadpackable Hisar-RF.

 

[Era_shield]

Seems like it uses EİRS to guide the missile in this video/test

It can but depending on target behaviour it's not necessary like it is for older systems. Siper can go to a target area by itself and try to acquire the target independently. Midcourse guidance can tell the missile when the target changes vector, since the missile can't seen the target until it's close enough to acquire it itself. Or it can be used to select a specific target when multiple targets are close together, or to switch to a different target, etc.

 

[TheInsider]

Aselsan radar roadmap with radar names but I can't read a lot of them. The source is defenceturk.net.

Zoomed in pictures.

 

[boredaf]

View attachment 55536

Aselsan radar roadmap with radar names but I can't read a lot of them. The source is defenceturk.net.

Zoomed in pictures.
View attachment 55538 View attachment 55539

Didn't know they were planning AESA for Hürjet, let alone in 2024.

 

[TheInsider]

2022
TEİRS (Mobile EİRS)
SİPER-UMAR (Same as TEİRS)
STR (Weapon locating radar)
HTKR (Hava Trafik Kontrol Radarı/Air Traffic Control Radar)
ACAR (Land surveillance radar)
AKKOR-PULAT
MURAD-X
İHÖR (İlk Hız Ölçüm Radarı/Velocity measurement radar)
Siper-Ürün1 AB (Siper product 1 RF seeker)
GÖKTUĞ (Gökdoğan RF Seeker mostly the same as Hisar-RF and Siper Product1 RF Seeker)

2023
CENK (Rotating Naval AESA Radar)
AİR ( Low Altitude Radar)
SİPER-ÇFAKR (Multi-Function Fire Control Radar)
F-16 AKINCI (MURAD integration?)
YENER (Yere Nüfuz Eden Radar/Ground Penetrating Radar)
SERHAT DUAL? (Mortar locating radar)
AKKOR
KARACA (Land surveillance radar)
İLKER (??)
AESA SAR PODU
KALKAN-1 TWTA (Travelling Wave Tube Array Kalkan-1 upgrade?)

2024
AURA (Compact AESA radar for CIWS and anti-drone systems)
KAMA (Radar of KAMA active protection system)
METRAD-2 (Meteorology radar)
AKBABA
HİSAR-D (This might be for a submarine-launched air defense missile Hisar-Derin)
HÜRJET AESA
SMR (??)
DGR (??)

2025
DRONE FOPRAD (Forest penetrating radar)
ALPER-II
ORTA MENZİL STR (Mid-range STR )
MOBİL RADAR/KULE (Mobile radar/tower)
SİPER UMRAB (Uzun Menzilli Radar Arayıcı Başlık/Long-range radar seeker head)

2026
PARS (Passive Radar System)
SEIRS (Fixed and scaled-up TEIRS, rumored to have 4x modules)
FULMAR (This one has a special antenna design but we don't know what kind of radar it is)
GÖKHAN DG (Dual Guidance- Probably dual guidance seeker for Gökhan Ramjet AA missile)
YARI AKTİF AB ( Semi-active seeker probably for low-cost rocket interception)
MMU BURUN RADARI (MMU Nose Radar/BURFIS)
MİLLİ HİBRİT HSS (National Hybrid Air defense system, details unknown)
METRAD C (Another Meteorology Radar)

2027
ARDA
HİBRİT (RF+IIR) AB (Hybrid RF+IIR Seeker)
DRONA ENTEGRE GPR (Drone Integrated Ground Penetrating Radar)
İHA ERKEN İHBAR (UAV Early Warning Radar)
UÇAK ERKEN İHBAR (Airborne Early Warning Radar)
YÖRÜNGE TAKİP RADARI (Orbit Tracking Radar)

2028
YİRAD ( Yüksek İrtifa Radarı/High Altitude Radar)
SİPER BALİSTİK FÜZE ÖNLEME (Ballistic Missile İnterception)

2029
VHF ERKEN UYARI RADARI (VHF Early Warning Radar)

2030
ÇAFRAD FAZ2 (ÇAFRAD Phase2)
UYDUDAN ERKEN İHBAR ( Satellite Early Warning Radar)
SÜRÜ İHA ÜZERİ RADARLAR ( Swarm UAV Radars)
GÖKTÜRK-3 SAR (Göktürk-3 Satellite SAR)

 

[Osman]

What is national hybrid air defence system?

 

[TheInsider]

What is national hybrid air defence system?

I don't know, no info is released currently, I can only speculate.

 

[Osman]

A low altitude system containing both laser, anti aircraft artillery and sam maybe?

 

[Oublious]

What is national hybrid air defence system?

hybride seeker what Roketsan is working on, RF and IIR seeker i think.

 

[Afif]

hybride seeker what Roketsan is working on, RF and IIR seeker i think.

I think that is for cruise missiles. ( like Atmaca block ii, Cakir )

But the one Aselsan is developing, is for Ballistic missile interceptor. ( which much more critical and sophisticated ) It would be probably similar to David sling.
@TheInsider

 

[TheInsider]

Yes, Aselsan is developing a hybrid seeker for air defense missiles while Roketsan is developing a hybrid seeker for cruise missiles.

I learned that the Hybrid Air Defense system is a short-range air defense system consisting of a high-powered laser, radar, jammer, ESM, DIRCM, etc.. It will be able to provide protection against UAVs, mortars, and rockets at short range like a CIWS it will be a product similar to the US counterparts but tailored for our needs.