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[Afif]

If Akinci has MURAD AESA with exceptional range and it can carry at least 2x Gokhan, it may very become a credible hybrid BVR platform.

Unlike, conventional solid fuel BVR A2A weapon which require being launched at supersonic speed and high altitude to maximise its effective range and no escape zone, Gokhan's extraordinary ramjet engine will compensate for Akinci's lack of speed and high altitude, and it’s NEZ would still be large enough to keep slow and non-manoeuvrable AkincI out of adversary’s effective engagement zone.

Anyway, this my speculation and I am no expert on the topic.
Also, the question remains if Akinci's twin engine can provide enough power to MURAD so it can enable its full GaN potential.

 

[TheInsider]

Not mass produced medium to short term means 5-10 years, that's really not good news

It can be delivered in small numbers but no mass production before 2025 is expected.

 

[godel44]

I heard very encouraging news regarding the first iteration of MURAD AESA on Akıncı. Hürjet, Akıncı, Kızılelma, KAAN (MURAD-based BURFIS), and F-16 will have MURAD radar. That will make Turkiye the number 1 nation in Europe with the most amount of GaN AESA radars. I also heard some range figures (tested against airforce F-16s) but let's not disclose them. All I can say is it is magnitudes better than our current capability. MURAD is not expected to be available for mass production in the short to medium term.

It started good but ended bad. If MURAD can't be mass produced in the coming years I wonder what's going to happen to BURFIS for Kaan, which is scheduled to fly with Kaan in 2028.

 

[manifesto]

@TheInsider

I wonder, Aselsan will show real AF 500 prototype at IDEF this time or it will bring mock up, again? Have you info about this?

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Why will Turkiye place a high cost AESA radar on weak cheap drones/aircrafts like akinci , hurjet , kizilemla etc ?!
They can just replace f16 radars with Murad while those f16 radas can be placed in akinci , hurjets etc if they can modified them .

 

[Merzifonlu]

Is there a globally accepted test standard by which we can measure the performance of AESA Radars?

 

[Afif]

Is there a globally accepted test standard by which we can measure the performance of AESA Radars?

Afaik, US MIL-STD covers it.

 

[Radko]

ASELSAN KARAT is present on ASELSAN's website but for some reason I got URL rejeted

 

[I_Love_F16]

Like someone above said, wouldn’t that be a waste of ressources to put a valuable radar like Murad in every aircrafts, especially drones ? And does anybody know how much is the cost of such a radar ?

 

[Afif]

Like someone above said, wouldn’t that be a waste of ressources to put a valuable radar like Murad in every aircrafts, especially drones ? And does anybody know how much is the cost of such a radar ?

I guess MURAD will cost $2.5 millions.
And APG-83 cost around $2.5 millions.

Air Force asks Northrop Grumman to build 42 AN/APG-83 AESA jet fighter radar systems in $99.4 million deal

APG-83 AESA fire-control scalable agile-beam radar (SABR) integrates within the F-16’s structural, power, and cooling constraints without modification.

www.militaryaerospace.com

While MURAD uses superior and relatively expensive GaN components, however Turkish hardwares are usually considerably cost effective compared to US hardwares.

 

[UkroTurk]

The ubiquity of AESA radars has come in defiance of its cost, which, for example, ranges between $3.5 million for the APG-79 and $5.5 million for the APG-82, according to U.S. budget documents.

- The F-16 AESA upgrade was initially estimated to cost $1 million per aircraft, but the decline in radar competitors has affected the cost.
- Raytheon is promoting a new low-cost AESA radar that can be used on various aircraft types, including legacy fighters.
- Raytheon has also unveiled a compact AESA radar made of gallium nitride, which weighs about 59kg (130lb) and is about one third the weight of current radars on sale. It is expected to be more cost-effective.
- The U.S. Navy has awarded a $41 million contract to Raytheon for 15 AN/APG-79 AESA aircraft radar systems.
- PhantomStrike, an AESA-class radar, is offered at half the price of a typical AESA radar by some U.S. radar firms.
- All new generation fighters are equipped with AESA radar, and many older fighters have been or are being upgraded to AESA radar systems.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

So Turkiye replaced all f16 radars even in last 30 batch that delivered around 2010 if i am correct than what all those 240 radars go ? Will they be destreoyed and all of those relatively modern radars go to bins ?
My idea was great if they can mount them on cheap drones and trainer aircrafts

 

[TheInsider]

Akıncı with MURAD radar will have a complete EW self-protection suite so this is not a cheap drone.

EW Suite consists of;
Comms ESM
Comms EA
Radar ESM
Radar EA
Self Protection system (chaff/flare and probably RF decoy)
EW Pods
Karetta anti-jam system.

 

[TheInsider]

@TheInsider

I wonder, Aselsan will show real AF 500 prototype at IDEF this time or it will bring mock up, again? Have you info about this?

I think Aselsan will show AF-500.

 

[TheInsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1679923472238092288

Retinar FAR-AD AESA radar. It can detect humans from 9+ km and can detect drones with the size of DJI Phantom 4 from 4.4 km.

Gürbağ Savunma nationalized the pan-tilt radar redirection unit. Meteksan is gearing up for a surprise regarding this radar.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1679923472238092288

Retinar FAR-AD AESA radar. It can detect humans from 9+ km and can detect drones with the size of DJI Phantom 4 from 4.4 km.

Gürbağ Savunma nationalized the pan-tilt radar redirection unit. Meteksan is gearing up for a surprise regarding this radar.

Will this help against the terrorist scum?

 

[YeşilVatan]

Will this help against the terrorist scum?

Yes. Because asymetrical threat posed by small drones is a real thing. I expect an integrated drone detection and jamming network of sorts to be built in a decade or so. This network will first be installed over government facilities and later over all urban areas. Because those barbarians will, at some point, fly a drone rigged with explosives and shrapnel into a rush hour crowd at a bus stop or something.

 

[Heartbang]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1679923472238092288

Retinar FAR-AD AESA radar. It can detect humans from 9+ km and can detect drones with the size of DJI Phantom 4 from 4.4 km.

Gürbağ Savunma nationalized the pan-tilt radar redirection unit. Meteksan is gearing up for a surprise regarding this radar.

Should do fine against paramotors, I assume?

 

[Bogeyman]

ASELSAN will blind the enemy missile


ASELSAN will share its capabilities in the fields of communication, air defense, avionics, electro-optics, electronic warfare, radar and unmanned systems with local and foreign visitors at the 16th International Defense Industry Fair (IDEF 2023) to be held in Istanbul on 25-28 July.

YILDIRIM-100 Directed Infrared Countermeasure System (DIRCM), which the company has been carrying out for a while under the coordination of the Presidency of Defense Industries, will be exhibited for the first time at IDEF 2023.

The system that will interfere with the seeker heads of shoulder-fired missiles with lasers and the solutions to be developed will increase the safety of aircraft, especially helicopters.

ASELSAN, which has been working in the development and production of electro-optic, laser and avionic systems for many years, has brought Turkey the Directed Infrared Countermeasure System, which only few countries in the world have, providing full protection against MANPADs and other heat-seeking missiles from all directions.

The fact that terrorist organizations began to seize shoulder-fired missile systems from conflict zones around the world increased the threat level for the security of the platforms. Also, as technology improved, MANPADs became more resistant to flares used to disorient heat-seeking missiles.

YILDIRIM-100 works in integration with different missile warning systems and flare shooters on the platform. Equipped with a precision gimbal, the YILDIRIM-100 turret sends high-power laser energy to an approaching guided missile, dulling the seeker's head and deflecting the missile.

YILDIRIM-100 has a double turret configuration and each turret uses a synchronized, multi-band directed laser against heat-guided missiles thanks to its Precision Tracking Unit and Laser Unit capable of producing high-power lasers. The system also includes a Control Unit that manages the DIRCM system and communicates with the missile warning system.

ASELSAN düşman füzesini kör edecek

ASELSAN, omuzdan atılan (MANPAD) füzelerin arayıcı başlıklarını lazerle kör ederek etkisiz hale getirecek. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[UkroTurk]

So Turkiye replaced all f16 radars even in last 30 batch that delivered around 2010 if i am correct than what all those 240 radars go ? Will they be destreoyed and all of those relatively modern radars go to bins ?
My idea was great if they can mount them on cheap drones and trainer aircrafts

I would use them with SUNGUR/STINGER/İgla manpads or land platforms since they are compact and light.

Edit:
The AN/APG-68 radar could be repurposed for ground mapping, as it has Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) capabilities.

Or they could be used on Satellites.
A SAR imaging Satellite has 3 years lifespan. You could throw old radars into space.

Capella Space X-Band Synthetic Aperture Radar - eoPortal

<p>Capella Space is a space technology company with data and satellite solutions for government and commercial use. Capella’s SAR satellites provide access to information to a number of industries worldwide, including defense and intelligence, supply chain, insurance, maritime and others. The...

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