TR Sensors and Detector Programs

[Cabatli_TR]

ASELSAN General Manager Haluk Görgün: (AESA radar)

There are 1,152 transmit-receive units inside our AESA radar.
Inside, there are core chips, circuits and amplifiers designed by us.
It is truly an engineering art.

You will make such a core chip that it will be 5x5mm in size and transfer information digitally at a speed of 500 GB per second.
This means processing 20 DVDs in 1 second.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652315787669929984

Murad F16 AESA

• 1152 TRM GaN module
• 20W each modules with 30W(?)peak power (defenceturkey)
• Liquid cooling

APG-83 (open source info)

• 1020 TRM GaAs modules
• 10W each modules with 10kW peak power
• Liquid cooling

RBE2 AESA (open source info)

• 830 TRM GaAs modules
• 10W each modules with 8kW peak power
• Liquid cooling

 

[MeACuLpA]

ASELSAN General Manager Haluk Görgün: (AESA radar)

There are 1,152 transmit-receive units inside our AESA radar.
Inside, there are core chips, circuits and amplifiers designed by us.
It is truly an engineering art.

You will make such a core chip that it will be 5x5mm in size and transfer information digitally at a speed of 500 GB per second.
This means processing 20 DVDs in 1 second.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652315787669929984

Numbers do NOT match. 1 single side DVD is 4.7GB, if he also says 20 DVD per second, then it should be less than 100 GB/s bandwith, not 500 GB/s. I assume he talks about aggregated bandwith. You can find 112 Gbps state of art off the shelf SERDES IP right now for the latest process node. That means this could be implemented with 8x5 = 40 SERDES links. But I highly doubt they use 112Gbps SERDES, most likely 56 or even less. If it is 56 Gbps SERDES links, then i would double the bus, which is 80 bit. So it is NOT out of reach but definitely not 500 GB/s

 

[neosinan]

Numbers do NOT match. 1 single side DVD is 4.7GB, if he also says 20 DVD per second, then it should be less than 100 GB/s bandwith, not 500 GB/s. I assume he talks about aggregated bandwith. You can find 112 Gbps state of art off the shelf SERDES IP right now for the latest process node. That means this could be implemented with 8x5 = 40 SERDES links. But I highly doubt they use 112Gbps SERDES, most likely 56 or even less. If it is 56 Gbps SERDES links, then i would double the bus, which is 80 bit. So it is NOT out of reach but definitely not 500 GB/s

I think he meant Blu Ray. Single layer blu ray is 25gb.

 

[Radko]

Which makes sense I guess, not many know what CD/DVD/Blu-Ray is in Turkey, so saying DVD is better for general audience to understand

 

[MeACuLpA]

that means you need to multiply it by 5, it is not very common to see 400 SERDES links in one chip. This is Nvidia/AMD/Intel class. There is something missing

 

[MeACuLpA]

In a second thought, i dont think they designed those chips. Most likely they are using FPGAs from Xilinx with those high speed SERDESes. That makes sense now. Xilinx has Versal Premium FPGAs with 112 Gbps SERDESes based on this website:

High Speed Serial

AMD High Speed Serial Solutions Deliver the Highest Bandwidth, Superior Auto-Adaptive Equalization, and Industry-Leading Productivity Tools.

www.xilinx.com

Maybe he refers that they are using 'multiple' FPGA chips in the radar. Now that is different story

 

[Radko]

In a second thought, i dont think they designed those chips. Most likely they are using FPGAs from Xilinx with those high speed SERDESes. That makes sense now. Xilinx has Versal Premium FPGAs with 112 Gbps SERDESes based on this website:

High Speed Serial

AMD High Speed Serial Solutions Deliver the Highest Bandwidth, Superior Auto-Adaptive Equalization, and Industry-Leading Productivity Tools.

www.xilinx.com

Maybe he refers that they are using 'multiple' FPGA chips in the radar. Now that is different story

"İçinde bizim tasarladığımız core chip var, devreler, yükselteçler var." He states that it is their own design

 

[Era_shield]

Numbers do NOT match. 1 single side DVD is 4.7GB, if he also says 20 DVD per second, then it should be less than 100 GB/s bandwith, not 500 GB/s. I assume he talks about aggregated bandwith. You can find 112 Gbps state of art off the shelf SERDES IP right now for the latest process node. That means this could be implemented with 8x5 = 40 SERDES links. But I highly doubt they use 112Gbps SERDES, most likely 56 or even less. If it is 56 Gbps SERDES links, then i would double the bus, which is 80 bit. So it is NOT out of reach but definitely not 500 GB/s

Trust Turkiye to develop an advanced radar and the first thing we do with it is download movies.

 

[MeACuLpA]

"İçinde bizim tasarladığımız core chip var, devreler, yükselteçler var." He states that it is their own design

@Radonsider
I am not saying it can't be done, what I am telling is what was described in the twitter has an NRE cost of hundreds of millions dollars and i am excluding manufacturing. At the end, not many will be produced. Again there are gaps in the story. I dont think it makes sense

 

[Radko]

@Radonsider
I am not saying it can't be done, what I am telling is what was described in the twitter has an NRE cost of hundreds of millions dollars and i am excluding manufacturing. At the end, not many will be produced. Again there are gaps in the story. I dont think it makes sense

I think they did design it themselves but get them to be produced in somewhere else

 

[TheInsider]

Well, one thing is for sure we are talking about an insanely powerful AESA radar. Fitting all those T/R modules to the nose of an F-16 is not an easy task.

 

[Radko]

He doesn't exactly say "processing", he talks about transferring it

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1654029770080899072

KARAKURT Electro-Optical Sensor System; With its high resolution thermal camera, laser target designator and stabilized moving platform, it offers superior performance in surveillance and target marking over land vehicles.

 

[TheInsider]

HD IR sensor products are popping out which is a good thing.

 

[Afif]

HD IR sensor products are popping out which is a good thing.

I have a question, do we have details about Altay's gunner's and commander's thermal sights?

 

[TheInsider]

I have a question, do we have details about Altay's gunner's and commander's thermal sights?

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/ATS70_ENG.pdf

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/ATS71_ENG-(1)-(1).pdf

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/HAWKEYE-II_ENG.pdf

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/SGS-LL_ENG.pdf

 

[TheInsider]

Örümcek(Spider) situational awareness system for MBTs

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/ORUMCEK_ENG.pdf

 

[Heartbang]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1654029770080899072

KARAKURT Electro-Optical Sensor System; With its high resolution thermal camera, laser target designator and stabilized moving platform, it offers superior performance in surveillance and target marking over land vehicles.

Slap one of these next to the SIPER's search or fire-control radar systems, and make them decoy-proof. Let the MALD's mald.

 

[Enderun]

Photodetector Project - UEKAE

Under the photodetector project, the production technologies for the photodetectors needed in our country are developed and manufactured with the facilities of TUBITAK BİLGEM.

The PIN photodetector production process developed was used to produce a sensor called DDA-1. The specially developed DDA-1 sensor consists of four identically manufactured PIN diodes on a silicon base. It has an active area diameter of more than 10 mm, low leakage current (<1nA/cm2) and higher pulsed reactivity (0.44A/W) than commercial detectors. The photodetector, made entirely from national resources, has lower parasitic capacitance, wider dynamic operating range, high switching voltage, high speed and higher accuracy than similar products on the international market.

Other applications of photodetectors that are widely used in civil and military applications are mentioned below;

- Pulsed and continuous laser sensors,
- Optical communications,
- Bar code readers,
- Optical remote control,
- Medical electronics applications,
- High-speed photometry

At BİLGEM, studies are being conducted to develop unique production processes for photodetectors for various application areas.

 

[bisbis]

Well, one thing is for sure we are talking about an insanely powerful AESA radar. Fitting all those T/R modules to the nose of an F-16 is not an easy task.

Mr. Temel Kotil stated in this broadcast that the "radar of the Kaan plane will see air and ground targets from a few 100 kilometers away."

I perceive this statement as an example to shed light on the capability of the Murad Aesa type radar. The radar of the Kaan plane will be a kind of continuation of the Murad aesa radar.

BURFIS (Integrated Radio Frequency System), Kaan Radar will be a component of this Burfis. I guess the Murad radar will be a little improved.

But I don't expect much of a range difference since the basic technology will be GaN after all.