TR Sensors and Detector Programs

[TheInsider]

Aselflir-600 has accurate geo-location capability. No matter the distance, Aselflir can provide a targeting solution for fixed targets.

 

[Quasar]

This is already covered ...........what C in R ( C ) stands for is a calculation...... this calculatons involves EO/IR line of sight (LOS) angle i.e azimuth and elevation angles, Platform GPS/INS position and slant range estimation.

''No matter the distance''? Yes and No! The calculation is distance independent, but the resulting error is not!!!

Even in an ordinary day and under normai circumstances Error stack problem occures i.e stacking of LOS angular error (microradians), Lateral position error, INS drift, Platform attitude error even with high-grade tactical INS or GPS.... And Error stack problem is not very distance friendly since even very minimal errors ends up with significant results with distance, this does not mean the imperfection of Aselfilir 600 but simple physics.

ASELFLIR has exceptional and excellent ISR quality and perfect to cue the network..... this is simply the essence of it

With Ahmet Akyol's words: ''ASELFLIR-600 provides Turkey's UAVs and attack platforms with strategic depth target detection and identification capabilities.''

 

[TheInsider]

This is already covered ...........what C in R ( C ) stands for is a calculation...... this calculatons involves EO/IR line of sight (LOS) angle i.e azimuth and elevation angles, Platform GPS/INS position and slant range estimation.

''No matter the distance''? Yes and No! The calculation is distance independent, but the resulting error is not!!!

Even in an ordinary day and under normai circumstances Error stack problem occures i.e stacking of LOS angular error (microradians), Lateral position error, INS drift, Platform attitude error even with high-grade tactical INS or GPS.... And Error stack problem is not very distance friendly since even very minimal errors ends up with significant results with distance, this does not mean the imperfection of Aselfilir 600 but simple physics.

ASELFLIR has exceptional and excellent ISR quality and perfect to cue the network..... this is simply the essence of it

With Ahmet Akyol's words: ''ASELFLIR-600 provides Turkey's UAVs and attack platforms with strategic depth target detection and identification capabilities.''

This is wrong. You first have to learn how geo-location in Aselflir-600 works. This is not how it works. This is how Aselflir-300T works. Aselflir has sensor fusion based advanced geo-locating capability.
*Error stack problems occur.
It does not occur because it is not how it works.

Welcome to 21st century where we have sensor fusion, where drones can cruise without GPS data, where we can get every kind of positional data through platforms' own (jam resistant GPS/INS sensors,altimeters etc) sensors, through datalinks from ground or other aircraft, through satcom, where we have highly detailed(1cm to 1m level) maps on board platforms so that we can compare our relative position to what we see. You see that hill in the picture? Aselflir-600 knows the exact coordinates of that hill from 225km away and Aselflir knows the coordinates of a possible target (an object with a size similar to a MBT), with an error rate of 3 to 4 meters.

 

[Quasar]

This is wrong. You first have to learn how geo-location in Aselflir-600 works. This is not how it works. This is how Aselflir-300T works. Aselflir has sensor fusion based advanced geo-locating capability.
*Error stack problems occur.
It does not occur because it is not how it works.

Welcome to 21st century where we have sensor fusion, where drones can cruise without GPS data, where we can get every kind of positional data through platforms' own (jam resistant GPS/INS sensors,altimeters etc) sensors, through datalinks from ground or other aircraft, through satcom, where we have highly detailed(1cm to 1m level) maps on board platforms so that we can compare our relative position to what we see. You see that hill in the picture? Aselflir-600 knows the exact coordinates of that hill from 225km away and Aselflir knows the coordinates of a possible target (an object with a size similar to a MBT), with an error rate of 3 to 4 meters.

Concerning the real distinction between ASELFLIR-300T and ASELFLIR-600

The improvement is not that ASELFLIR-600 “doesn’t have error stacks'' The real advances are: Multi-frame temporal fusion, Terrain-aided navigation, Cooperative cueing and updates, Better attitude knowledge and stabilization and Smarter uncertainty management... Error propagation is controlled not eliminated.

ASELFLIR-600 significantly reduces geolocation uncertainty through multi-source sensor fusion, but it remains bounded by geometry, observability, and physics. Errors are managed probabilistically, not eliminated.

rest of your post is word salad or information and concepts used without their true and full connctions to their contextes or their true relations with each other.

 

[TheInsider]

Concerning the real distinction between ASELFLIR-300T and ASELFLIR-600

The improvement is not that ASELFLIR-600 “doesn’t have error stacks'' The real advances are: Multi-frame temporal fusion, Terrain-aided navigation, Cooperative cueing and updates, Better attitude knowledge and stabilization and Smarter uncertainty management... Error propagation is controlled not eliminated.

ASELFLIR-600 significantly reduces geolocation uncertainty through multi-source sensor fusion, but it remains bounded by geometry, observability, and physics. Errors are managed probabilistically, not eliminated.

rest of your post is word salad or information and concepts used without their true and full connctions to their contextes or their true relations with each other.

Aselflir can provide a targeting solution for an MBT sized target with an error of 3-4 meters over 200 km (this is not open source knowledge). Rest is not important. Your argument was Aselflir-600 can't do that. Now you moved the goalpost to where I stand, good for you. Aselsan actively markets Aselflir-600 as a "superior" solution to Wescam or other producers' products in the same class.


Here you can listen Ahmet Akyol tells as Aselflir-600 is one step ahead from the rest. It is not because of image quality/range performance. MX-25 offers similar capability in that regard.

 

[Quasar]

Aselflir can provide a targeting solution for an MBT sized target with an error of 3-4 meters over 200 km (this is not open source knowledge). Rest is not important. Your argument was Aselflir-600 can't do that. Now you moved the goalpost to where I stand, good for you. Aselsan actively markets Aselflir-600 as a "superior" solution to Wescam or other producers' products in the same class.


Here you can listen Ahmet Akyol tells as Aselflir-600 is one step ahead from the rest. It is not because of image quality/range performance. MX-25 offers similar capability in that regard.

ASELFLIR has exceptional and excellent ISR quality and perfect to cue the network..... this is simply the essence of it

'' (this is not open source knowledge).'' Sure ok .........

ASELFLIR has exceptional and excellent ISR quality and perfect to cue the network..... this is simply the essence of it

 

[Quasar]

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