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[Rodeo]

Here's the Indian EO satellite series Cartosat and their progress over the years. If we kept the development and financed it maybe we could follow a similar path. The satellites, including the cameras were built by ISRO.

Cartosat-1 : launched in 2005 and has camera resolution of 2.5meters.
Cartosat-2 : launched in 2007 and has camera resolution of 0.8meters.
Cartosat-2A : launched in 2008 and has camera resolution of 0.5meters.
Cartosat-3 : launched in 2019 and has camera resolution of 0.25meters.

There are other satellites in the series but I didn't include them to keep it short. Maybe our Indian members could provide us with more details on the program. It's still active and they'll launch more advanced versions.

@Nilgiri @Gessler @Zapper @fire starter

 

[Nilgiri]

Here's the Indian EO satellite series Cartosat and their progress over the years. If we kept the development and financed it maybe we could follow a similar path. The satellites, including the cameras were built by ISRO.

Cartosat-1 : launched in 2005 and has camera resolution of 2.5meters.
Cartosat-2 : launched in 2007 and has camera resolution of 0.8meters.
Cartosat-2A : launched in 2008 and has camera resolution of 0.5meters.
Cartosat-3 : launched in 2019 and has camera resolution of 0.25meters.

There are other satellites in the series but I didn't include them to keep it short. Maybe our Indian members could provide us with more details on the program. It's still active and they'll launch more advanced versions.

@Nilgiri @Gessler @Zapper @fire starter

Turkiye is making progress with gokturk series and now imece.

Development of a secure indigenous scalable bus is likely taking shape.

It was by doing this as early as possible that India was able to then keep in touch with sensor module advancement (that you have illustrated with CARTOSAT family)....though our raw throughput scale is still lacking and needs lot more investment as demand grows.

It is only with such a bus family/families that Turkiye will have relatively wide and full customisation options open to it for its birds.

Otherwise external provider (say Thales, EADS, Leonardo, Boeing etc) often limit resource budget in the "export models" they have...commensurate to say political weather (both current and forecast) and so on.

That in turn will always limit capability esp for sensoring or large comms oriented birds.

So even if you have or have access to good sensor module developed by say a research institute (and all the dots and crosses done with ITAR et al. if say there is something American et al. somewhere), the data and/or thermal chokepoint can often be the foreign bus to begin with so its not viable.

This is likely what Turkiye is addressing this decade from what I can see.

In fact I think this is exactly what IMECE is starting right now, as I cannot find any clear mention of the bus on it...i.e its likely first iteration of indigenous one that will be further developed and scaled from operations feedback.

I worked more than 10 years ago on a satellite project payload and having a solid reliable bus (and little paperwork there) is so key to cost and time....

i.e no worries there meant the team can just focus on the other things rather than allocate resource to testing what works and doesn't or have to deal with say some DC bureaucrat(s)/paperwork stuff - all things foreign countries to say 5 eyes-Eurozone will inevitably face if they are ambitious here.

...so I would imagine it is a pretty high initial investment and it needs fording sooner than later by anyone outside this group of countries given these costs only increase with time.

 

[Rodeo]

IMECE launch is at 09:38(local time in Turkiye) in the morning. It's a rideshare launch. There are 5 different Turkish payloads inside the fairings of Falcon 9.

There's also an American company in the ridershare launch, sending Space Tug prototype to orbit to test it. As you know, this business is one of the interest areas of Fergani(Baykar's sister company).

List of spaceflight launches in January–June 2023 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Rodeo]

The IMECE mission has been pushed back by a day. Now targeting Wednesday(GMT).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1645590343054917632

The youtube stream

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1645596594530648064

 

[Fighter_35]

We need to improve resolution. We need 0,5 meters resolution first than below 0,3 meters in 5-8 years. Else, we can not reach advanced countries. Many countries have satellites with a resolution of less than 0,3 meters now.

 

[what]

The same document also refers to an intelligence source as “Lapis time-series video”, an apparent reference to a little-known and closely guarded satellite system for imaging objects on the ground.

Leak of secret US defense papers could be ‘tip of the iceberg’, report says

Disclosure already represents worst national security breach in years, and analysts suggest damage to US could get worse

www.theguardian.com

Who knows what capabilities other countries already have in space.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

We need to improve resolution. We need 0,5 meters resolution first than below 0,3 meters in 5-8 years. Else, we can not reach advanced countries. Many countries have satellites with a resolution of less than 0,3 meters now.

In 2018, it was decided to start development of national E/O satellite and camera with a resolution of below 30cm. Presumably, the 30cm camera is in an advanced stage at the moment.

Imece 0,7m at 500km camera
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Tabletop test setup composed of the primary mirror and secondary mirror of new high resolution camera
Primary Mirror:490mm
Secondary Mirror:144mm
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0.5m resolution camera design
Primary Mirror:490mm
Secondary Mirror: 100mm
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Source: Tubitak Uzay https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Oezguer-Karci-2

Mr Kotil: "The GÖKTÜRK-Y satellite we are currently making is 100% domestic. The most important part is the camera"

 

[Fighter_35]

Mr Kotil: "The GÖKTÜRK-Y satellite we are currently making is 100% domestic. The most important part is the camera"

View attachment 56189

Working on this is very good, but we need to send it to space within 1-2 years, since Göktürk 1 is nearing it's end. Additionally, a satellite with resolution about 0,3 meters also should go hand in hand with that Göktürk- yenileme.

 

[Agha Sher]

Mr Kotil: "The GÖKTÜRK-Y satellite we are currently making is 100% domestic. The most important part is the camera"

View attachment 56189

Do we know the resolution?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Imece launched into space

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647142225514561537

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Do we know the resolution?

Gokturk-Y will have ultra-high resolution camera. Development of 30+cm camera/satellite project was taken in 2018.

 

[Zafer]

Gokturk-Y camera will have a resolution better than 0,5m. Development of 30+cm camera was taken in 2018.

For clarification

"30 cm altı"
resolution < 30 cm under 30 cm resolution, like 29, 28, 27, 26 cm or less
The smaller the number the higher the resolution.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

For clarification

"30 cm altı"
resolution < 30 cm under 30 cm resolution, like 29, 28, 27, 26 cm or less
The smaller the number the higher the resolution.

Yes, I put (+) to emphasize "better resolution".

0.5m resolution has come to the agenda because 0.5m resolution is mentioned in documents for Tubitak satellite 490mm optic test setup. Originally, the project indicates the development of a satellite with a resolution of 0.3m and better (which will be better than 0,5m)

 

[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647155015629561856

Turkiye's space industry is booming. Launch industry needs to catch up.

Turkiye can consider buying the technology for one of the small launch companies to speed up things.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647155015629561856

Turkiye's space industry is booming. Launch industry needs to catch up.

Turkiye can consider buying the technology for one of the small launch companies to speed up things.

Development of SLV and establishment of launch sites (High likely in Kirklareli) is in progress. This year, SR1 sounding rocket (100kg payload to 300km) will be launched into space.

Later, Şimşek SLV family will welcome Turkish satellites

Şimsek-1

• 19m length
• 32 ton mass
• 1,35m rocket engine diameter

Şimsek-2

• 160ton mass
• 35m length
• 2,5m diameter first stage

 

[Agha Sher]

Development of SLV and establishment of launch sites (High likely in Kirklareli) is in progress. This year, SR1 sounding rocket (100kg payload to 300km) will be launched into space.
View attachment 56229

Later, Şimşek SLV family will welcome Turkish satellites
View attachment 56230

Şimsek-1

• 19m length
• 32 ton mass
• 1,35m rocket engine diameter

Şimsek-2

• 160ton mass
• 35m length
• 2,5m diameter first stage

I am aware, however, the Simsek program is moving forward too slowly. Turkiye should have Simsek-1 capability at 2025 the latest.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

I am aware, however, the Simsek program is moving forward too slowly. Turkiye should have Simsek-1 capability at 2025 the latest.

When we think that SLV technologies of many nations having more experiences than us with tech transfers in this field have failed many times, it can be seen that engineering difficulties that Turkish engineers have to overcome are quite high. When considered from this point of view, it can even be considered ambitious to develop a SLV in order to send a 400+kg payload to 550+km in a 4-5 years after sending SR01 sounding rocket into space.

 

[Zafer]

These launch dates should be shaven off by at least 2 years. We need to go beyond acceptable.

 

[Agha Sher]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647320956967309313

Satellites launched per year. Industry is really taking off.