TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Umigami]

This jet stinks of the experience of the JSF program. manufacturing technique, manufacturing process is exactly the same on the photos

So?

 

[Rodeo]

This jet stinks of the experience of the JSF program. manufacturing technique, manufacturing process is exactly the same on the photos

That's not a big revelation.

 

[GoatsMilk]

This jet stinks of the experience of the JSF program. manufacturing technique, manufacturing process is exactly the same on the photos

You sound upset.

Thats the danger when you lobby international governments to place embargoes against Turkiye, you run the risk that the Turks end up just making their own.

 

[Jacop]

You sound upset.

Thats the danger when you lobby international governments to place embargoes against Turkiye, you run the risk that the Turks end up just making their own.

My post was a praise

 

[Bürküt]

Bu jet, JSF programı deneyimi kokuyor. üretim tekniği, üretim süreci fotoğraflardakinin birebir aynısıdır.

They say that the wing of the aircraft is manufactured in a monolithic form with the middle fuselage like F35.

 

[MADDOG]

Unique Sensor Setup Emerges On Turkey’s Stealthy New Fighter​

Turkish Aerospace Industries says that construction of the initial prototype of Turkey's TF-X next-generation fighter jet has been progressing steadily since the first images of the jet were released last year. This reportedly includes the installation of a more complete nose section that features faceted enclosures for what appears to be a dedicated infrared search and track sensor system, or IRST, right in front of the cockpit and a multi-purpose electro-optical targeting system, or EOTS, underneath the forward fuselage. No other advanced combat jet design currently fielded or in development appears to have a similar configuration with completely separate internal IRST and EOTS systems.


Pictures reportedly showing the TF-X prototype with its full nose section installed, among other things, appear to have first emerged online in late December. This was just around a month after Turkish Aerospace Industries, which is developing the jet under the Milli Muharip Ucak (MMU, or National Combat Aircraft) program, had offered the first official look at the jet in a significantly less finished state.

Turkish Aerospace Industries CEO Temel Kotil said that the jet may not just be rolled out, but could make its first flight this year, during an interview with CNN Turk earlier today. This would be two years ahead of the schedule Kotil had laid out when a mockup of the aircraft was unveiled in 2019. How this might impact when the first jets enter service, something that had been previously said to be expected to happen by 2030, is not clear.

Whether or not the first flight comes early or not, and while TF-X's configuration could still change more as time goes on, that it appears to be emerging now with a separate IRST and EOTS is notable. Though the stated plan since at least 2020 has been to incorporate both of these systems onto the jet, it has not been exactly clear how the two would be installed.

A TF-X cockpit mockup that Turkish Aerospace Industries, also known by its Turkish acronym TUSAS, put on display at the Farnborough International Airshow in the United Kingdom last year had very crude representations of the enclosures in front of the nose and under the fuselage, but it remained unclear if this was the final planned configuration. A similar arrangement general arrangement, but with the IRST in a non-stealthy enclosure, had been seen in previous computer-generated renderings of the aircraft.

Interestingly, the apparent IRST installation looks similar, in broad strokes, to how Lockheed Martin's TacIRST has been integrated onto F-5 Advanced Tiger (F-5AT) aggressor jets belonging to private firm Tactical Air Support (TacAir). TacIRST on the F-5s features a staring infrared sensor with a fixed forward field of view above the nose. This is likely the same general concept as on the Turkish fighter, although the sensor sits behind a faceted, low-observable window likely made of coated sapphire glass. This is unlike many typical internally integrated IRSTs where the sensor is fitted inside a bubble enclosure to a gimballed mount of some kind, although its possible the sensor of the TF-X could still move to a limited degree. The installation on TF-X could possibly point to the system having some degree of forward-looking infrared capability to help with navigation, including at night and in bad weather conditions, too.

In general, IRST systems are focused on spotting and tracking aerial threats by their infrared signature at extended ranges. IRSTs are not impacted by any features on the targeted aircraft designed to reduce its radar cross-section and are immune to electronic warfare attacks intended to disrupt radar waves and other radio frequency emissions. This makes them valuable alternatives to traditional radars, especially when it comes to operations where stealthy enemy threats or heavy electronic warfare jamming is expected. The sensor is also passive in nature, unlike a radar operating in an active mode, so a target will be alerted to the fact that they have been detected. An IRST is also an incredibly powerful companion to radar, where they can work together to spot, track, and engage targets.

A built-in EOTS, like the one found on all variants of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, may have some degree of IRST-like capability, but are primarily intended to provide a higher fidelity view of targets and other objects of interest at shorter ranges and laser-designate those targets if need be. As such, they can be used for targeting enemy forces, including on the ground or at sea, as well as more general surveillance and reconnaissance tasks and just to give a pilot increased situational awareness. Separate IRST and EOTS capabilities on the TF-X could be beneficial in various ways. At its most basic, it would give the aircraft a dedicated IRST capability, while allowing the pilot to use the EOTS for other tasks simultaneously. Also, a more dedicated IRST sensor system will be better at scanning and tracking targets at longer distances than an EOTS that has primarily an air-to-ground target and surveillance function.

The forward field of view is also superior for an IRST sensor mounted atop the aircraft's not as opposed to below it. Finally, EOTS and IRST can work together, with EOTS providing a higher-fidelity view of what IRST spots, even at night, for target identification purposes, a critical capability in highly dynamic counter-air scenarios. Today, targeting pods, such as Sniper, are used for this purpose on U.S. aircraft, such as the F-15C/D community, for instance, although they use the aircraft's radar for long-range detection, not an IRST, although an IRST is being fielded now. The EOTS can also be used to collect and record video during intercept operations and closer encounters with aircraft of interest.

The main piece of information provided by typical IRST systems is a potential target's bearing. A single aircraft can determine how far away that object is using other means, but it is generally a time-consuming and obtuse process. Networking IRSTs on multiple aircraft together – a capability that the TF-X may also have – offers one option for more rapidly triangulating the data to determine range, as well as just providing higher-quality tracks on a target.

A Lockheed Martin graphic providing a general visual representation of how data can be fused between multiple aircraft carrying IRSTs in the company's Legion Pod. Lockheed Martin

IRST systems, historically found more commonly on Russian and Chinese-made fighter jets, have seen a general renaissance in recent years as more and more air forces around the world field or work to field stealthy combat jets and cruise missiles, or at least designs with some degree of low-observable features. So, it's no surprise that TF-X features an IRST in addition to its EOTS. At the same time, this distributed combination of IRST and EOTS could give the jet distinct additional capabilities compared to other stealthy fighter designs.

Of course, much about the TF-X and its capabilities remain to be seen, despite the apparent progress in the construction of the initial prototype and TUSAS CEO Kotil's comments about the speed with which the company now hopes to get that jet in the air. In particular, it is still not entirely clear what engines will be used on the fighter. The stated plan has been to use Pratt & Whitney F110 engines, versions of which are assembled under license in Turkey, at least for the initial prototypes, but a chill in recent years in U.S.-Turkish relations has created potential hurdles there. TUSAS' ultimate plan is to use domestically-developed engines to power the jets.

The importance of developing TF-X in the first place had significantly increased after the U.S. government ejected Turkey from the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program in 2019 over the country's purchase of Russian S-400 surface-to-air missile systems. American officials, as well as those from other nations involved in the F-35 program, had raised concerns about potential security risks arising from Turkey operating both the fighters and S-400s.

At the same time, there have been signs more recently of a potential thaw in ties between the two countries, including talks about a possible new sale of non-stealthy F-16 fighters for the Turkish Air Force.

Even if TF-X does take the sky for the first time this year, while this would be a huge accomplishment, it is only one part of the development process. There will still be much work needed to integrate and prove-out the aircraft's various systems, including the IRST and EOTS, as well as massive amounts of software code and other components necessary to enable key capabilities like sensor fusion.

However the TF-X's development continues to proceed, it has now become clear that the design will feature a novel combination of IRST and EOTS systems, and it will be interesting to learn more about how they are at least intended to function both separately and together.

Unique Sensor Setup Emerges On Turkey’s Stealthy New Fighter

Photos of the initial TF-X stealth fighter prototype show separate built-in infrared search and track and electro-optical targeting systems.

www.thedrive.com

The comments at the end of the article are so unbelievably stupid.

 

[Isbara]

In additoin to that, there's a distinct possibilty it was build with same 6 axis CNC machinery brought to TAI to build F35's middle fuselage.

 

[Khagan1923]

The comments at the end of the article are so unbelievably stupid.

Typical western retards who read articles on mainstream "military" sites and think themselves experts. The misinformation they exchange with each other to make their own totally false and misinformed points seem even more potent it the icing on the cake. And of course you have one idiot, who most likely is armenian, trying to bring up his peoples demise after their rebellion and massacres in the south east.

It is also mainly based on racism. Brainwashed idiots who have been taught to think Turkey is desert with camals and nothing more. Now their brains are shutting down when reading the advances made by the Turkish defense industry. One idiot even claims that it will never fly, the other tries to bring in NATO, the other tries to compare Irans fake figher with this because supposedly it doesnt exist either.

A bunch of racist westerners gathering to shit on a country they couldn locate on a map after being brainwashed by their media.

Another one said TFX would lose even in a 2vs1 against a F-16 or F-15. Like how braindead do you have to be to even think that is in any shape or form a solid opinion to share. Like I said brainwashed but will call anyone who calls out their BS or their Governments BS as brainwashed.

The tears these morons will shed when TF-X starts hunting greek Rafale and F-16s over the Aegan will be another nice moment.

 

[fire starter]

Unique Sensor Setup Emerges On Turkey’s Stealthy New Fighter​

Turkish Aerospace Industries says that construction of the initial prototype of Turkey's TF-X next-generation fighter jet has been progressing steadily since the first images of the jet were released last year. This reportedly includes the installation of a more complete nose section that features faceted enclosures for what appears to be a dedicated infrared search and track sensor system, or IRST, right in front of the cockpit and a multi-purpose electro-optical targeting system, or EOTS, underneath the forward fuselage. No other advanced combat jet design currently fielded or in development appears to have a similar configuration with completely separate internal IRST and EOTS systems.


Pictures reportedly showing the TF-X prototype with its full nose section installed, among other things, appear to have first emerged online in late December. This was just around a month after Turkish Aerospace Industries, which is developing the jet under the Milli Muharip Ucak (MMU, or National Combat Aircraft) program, had offered the first official look at the jet in a significantly less finished state.

Turkish Aerospace Industries CEO Temel Kotil said that the jet may not just be rolled out, but could make its first flight this year, during an interview with CNN Turk earlier today. This would be two years ahead of the schedule Kotil had laid out when a mockup of the aircraft was unveiled in 2019. How this might impact when the first jets enter service, something that had been previously said to be expected to happen by 2030, is not clear.

Whether or not the first flight comes early or not, and while TF-X's configuration could still change more as time goes on, that it appears to be emerging now with a separate IRST and EOTS is notable. Though the stated plan since at least 2020 has been to incorporate both of these systems onto the jet, it has not been exactly clear how the two would be installed.

A TF-X cockpit mockup that Turkish Aerospace Industries, also known by its Turkish acronym TUSAS, put on display at the Farnborough International Airshow in the United Kingdom last year had very crude representations of the enclosures in front of the nose and under the fuselage, but it remained unclear if this was the final planned configuration. A similar arrangement general arrangement, but with the IRST in a non-stealthy enclosure, had been seen in previous computer-generated renderings of the aircraft.

Interestingly, the apparent IRST installation looks similar, in broad strokes, to how Lockheed Martin's TacIRST has been integrated onto F-5 Advanced Tiger (F-5AT) aggressor jets belonging to private firm Tactical Air Support (TacAir). TacIRST on the F-5s features a staring infrared sensor with a fixed forward field of view above the nose. This is likely the same general concept as on the Turkish fighter, although the sensor sits behind a faceted, low-observable window likely made of coated sapphire glass. This is unlike many typical internally integrated IRSTs where the sensor is fitted inside a bubble enclosure to a gimballed mount of some kind, although its possible the sensor of the TF-X could still move to a limited degree. The installation on TF-X could possibly point to the system having some degree of forward-looking infrared capability to help with navigation, including at night and in bad weather conditions, too.

In general, IRST systems are focused on spotting and tracking aerial threats by their infrared signature at extended ranges. IRSTs are not impacted by any features on the targeted aircraft designed to reduce its radar cross-section and are immune to electronic warfare attacks intended to disrupt radar waves and other radio frequency emissions. This makes them valuable alternatives to traditional radars, especially when it comes to operations where stealthy enemy threats or heavy electronic warfare jamming is expected. The sensor is also passive in nature, unlike a radar operating in an active mode, so a target will be alerted to the fact that they have been detected. An IRST is also an incredibly powerful companion to radar, where they can work together to spot, track, and engage targets.

A built-in EOTS, like the one found on all variants of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, may have some degree of IRST-like capability, but are primarily intended to provide a higher fidelity view of targets and other objects of interest at shorter ranges and laser-designate those targets if need be. As such, they can be used for targeting enemy forces, including on the ground or at sea, as well as more general surveillance and reconnaissance tasks and just to give a pilot increased situational awareness. Separate IRST and EOTS capabilities on the TF-X could be beneficial in various ways. At its most basic, it would give the aircraft a dedicated IRST capability, while allowing the pilot to use the EOTS for other tasks simultaneously. Also, a more dedicated IRST sensor system will be better at scanning and tracking targets at longer distances than an EOTS that has primarily an air-to-ground target and surveillance function.

The forward field of view is also superior for an IRST sensor mounted atop the aircraft's not as opposed to below it. Finally, EOTS and IRST can work together, with EOTS providing a higher-fidelity view of what IRST spots, even at night, for target identification purposes, a critical capability in highly dynamic counter-air scenarios. Today, targeting pods, such as Sniper, are used for this purpose on U.S. aircraft, such as the F-15C/D community, for instance, although they use the aircraft's radar for long-range detection, not an IRST, although an IRST is being fielded now. The EOTS can also be used to collect and record video during intercept operations and closer encounters with aircraft of interest.

The main piece of information provided by typical IRST systems is a potential target's bearing. A single aircraft can determine how far away that object is using other means, but it is generally a time-consuming and obtuse process. Networking IRSTs on multiple aircraft together – a capability that the TF-X may also have – offers one option for more rapidly triangulating the data to determine range, as well as just providing higher-quality tracks on a target.

A Lockheed Martin graphic providing a general visual representation of how data can be fused between multiple aircraft carrying IRSTs in the company's Legion Pod. Lockheed Martin

IRST systems, historically found more commonly on Russian and Chinese-made fighter jets, have seen a general renaissance in recent years as more and more air forces around the world field or work to field stealthy combat jets and cruise missiles, or at least designs with some degree of low-observable features. So, it's no surprise that TF-X features an IRST in addition to its EOTS. At the same time, this distributed combination of IRST and EOTS could give the jet distinct additional capabilities compared to other stealthy fighter designs.

Of course, much about the TF-X and its capabilities remain to be seen, despite the apparent progress in the construction of the initial prototype and TUSAS CEO Kotil's comments about the speed with which the company now hopes to get that jet in the air. In particular, it is still not entirely clear what engines will be used on the fighter. The stated plan has been to use Pratt & Whitney F110 engines, versions of which are assembled under license in Turkey, at least for the initial prototypes, but a chill in recent years in U.S.-Turkish relations has created potential hurdles there. TUSAS' ultimate plan is to use domestically-developed engines to power the jets.

The importance of developing TF-X in the first place had significantly increased after the U.S. government ejected Turkey from the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program in 2019 over the country's purchase of Russian S-400 surface-to-air missile systems. American officials, as well as those from other nations involved in the F-35 program, had raised concerns about potential security risks arising from Turkey operating both the fighters and S-400s.

At the same time, there have been signs more recently of a potential thaw in ties between the two countries, including talks about a possible new sale of non-stealthy F-16 fighters for the Turkish Air Force.

Even if TF-X does take the sky for the first time this year, while this would be a huge accomplishment, it is only one part of the development process. There will still be much work needed to integrate and prove-out the aircraft's various systems, including the IRST and EOTS, as well as massive amounts of software code and other components necessary to enable key capabilities like sensor fusion.

However the TF-X's development continues to proceed, it has now become clear that the design will feature a novel combination of IRST and EOTS systems, and it will be interesting to learn more about how they are at least intended to function both separately and together.

Unique Sensor Setup Emerges On Turkey’s Stealthy New Fighter

Photos of the initial TF-X stealth fighter prototype show separate built-in infrared search and track and electro-optical targeting systems.

www.thedrive.com

F35 is also having irst in the form of DAS. So the conformal setup is having some dis advantages.

 

[Radonsider]

F35 is also having irst in the form of DAS. So the conformal setup is having some dis advantages.

DAS is not optimized for IRST tho, it is 360° short-mid range system for MWS.

LWIR is better than MWIR for IRST

 

[Tonyukuk]

Typical western retards who read articles on mainstream "military" sites and think themselves experts. The misinformation they exchange with each other to make their own totally false and misinformed points seem even more potent it the icing on the cake. And of course you have one idiot, who most likely is armenian, trying to bring up his peoples demise after their rebellion and massacres in the south east.

It is also mainly based on racism. Brainwashed idiots who have been taught to think Turkey is desert with camals and nothing more. Now their brains are shutting down when reading the advances made by the Turkish defense industry. One idiot even claims that it will never fly, the other tries to bring in NATO, the other tries to compare Irans fake figher with this because supposedly it doesnt exist either.

A bunch of racist westerners gathering to shit on a country they couldn locate on a map after being brainwashed by their media.

Another one said TFX would lose even in a 2vs1 against a F-16 or F-15. Like how braindead do you have to be to even think that is in any shape or form a solid opinion to share. Like I said brainwashed but will call anyone who calls out their BS or their Governments BS as brainwashed.

The tears these morons will shed when TF-X starts hunting greek Rafale and F-16s over the Aegan will be another nice moment.

Well said, Facebook in particular is full of these types of people. There are countless pages that only post photos of military equipment and all the comments on them are stupid. Saw one with which showed the TFX and they made fun of the zinc or whatever coating as if it's the final paintjob.

My bet is that deep down they know that the F22 finally has a rival. But they hate that it's us that are making it. They wouldn't be half as pissed if it was the Russians or Iranians.

 

[fire starter]

DAS is not optimized for IRST tho, it is 360° short-mid range system for MWS.

LWIR is better than MWIR for IRST

Not necessarily it depends upon requirement , the IRST that we are developing works in SWIR + MWIR region. Though IRST carries some extra sensors such as day camera and LRF but DAS can be upgraded with dual band detectors.

 

[Radonsider]

Not necessarily it depends upon requirement , the IRST that we are developing works in SWIR + MWIR region. Though IRST carries some extra sensors such as day camera and LRF but DAS can be upgraded with dual band detectors.

If you want long range IRST that gets effected less by weather, you need LWIR.


Using 2 or more seekers would mean the sensor suite would get bigger, there is no IRST for F-35 except EOTS for shorter range and a limited axis.


And yeah if you make that DAS suite to accommodate different sensors with different cooling and most importantly, more wide arc and better stabilisation, you end up with IRST

 

[fire starter]

If you want long range IRST that gets effected less by weather, you need LWIR.


Using 2 or more seekers would mean the sensor suite would get bigger, there is no IRST for F-35 except EOTS for shorter range and a limited axis.


And yeah if you make that DAS suite to accommodate different sensors with different cooling and most importantly, more wide arc and better stabilisation, you end up with IRST

Short Wave InfraRed(SWIR) spectral imager is good at detecting difference between materials and penetrating fog and mist.

DAS can act as both MAWS and IRST. I think form factor of meshed detector will be same.

 

[Hasanrize]

The comments at the end of the article are so unbelievably stupid.

It is more like ordinary people on the internet.

 

[Enderun]

 

[Enderun]

I think it is likely that there will be good news from TAI later today or tomorrow at the latest. via Taha Yasin

 

[MADDOG]

TF-X when she was first transferred to FAL

 

[Cabatli_TR]

TF-X when she was first transferred to FAL

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Great machine! You can see the magnificent craftsmanship from every corner.

 

[Pilatino]

TF-X when she was first transferred to FAL

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Gorgeous!