TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[B_A]

I don't know much about the Turkish aviation industry nor do I know much about Turkish foreign political interaction with other states. Having said that, IMO the Kaan project is faced with these problems

- US could block supply of US engines, crippling production. That is something that could be precipitated by the US view of Turkish actions within and without Turkiye ie if Turkiye pursued policies or actions repugnant to the US.
- Turkiye may not be capable of designing and building an engine suitable for use in the Kaan without considerable input from a foreign OEM able to do just that. Suitability for use in Kaan incorporates a time element (succeeding on a technical level in 2040 or 2050 is not much use). Is it realistic to think that a good engine can be designed, developed, tested and put into production by a Turkish OEM by 2030?

We can only try and do.

The leaders of technology changing day by day.Noone can see future,2000s not one think China produce 5th Jet

 

[buraktunahan]

I made some edits to the illustration with Photoshop. The result was as follows. (It will be dark in color due to the RAM coating. It will have formation lights on it. I also painted some markings on it.)

 

[Baryshx]

I don't know much about the Turkish aviation industry nor do I know much about Turkish foreign political interaction with other states. Having said that, IMO the Kaan project is faced with these problems

- US could block supply of US engines, crippling production. That is something that could be precipitated by the US view of Turkish actions within and without Turkiye ie if Turkiye pursued policies or actions repugnant to the US.
- Turkiye may not be capable of designing and building an engine suitable for use in the Kaan without considerable input from a foreign OEM able to do just that. Suitability for use in Kaan incorporates a time element (succeeding on a technical level in 2040 or 2050 is not much use). Is it realistic to think that a good engine can be designed, developed, tested and put into production by a Turkish OEM by 2030?

The search for alternative engines for Kaan, Hürjet, Anka-3 and Kızılelma should start now. I have no hope from the US and Ukraine. Or we will wait to build our own engines. I am in favor of waiting for our own engines no matter how many years.

 

[B_A]

The search for alternative engines for Kaan, Hürjet, Anka-3 and Kızılelma should start now. I have no hope from the US and Ukraine. Or we will wait to build our own engines. I am in favor of waiting for our own engines no matter how many years.

Turkiye always trust western so much and dont accept the dometic replacement.

 

[Spitfire9]

I am curious about the upcoming first flight of the prototype Kaan. What systems not required for flight itself will be in the airframe and functional - radar, IRST etc?

Given that there has not been a design freeze (as I understand things), I presume that any modifications to the airframe design will not risk compromising other systems being developed for the aircraft, so requiring them to be modified as a consequence of airframe modification (apart from adjustments to the flight control software being needed).

 

[uçuyorum]

If domestic industry does not have the know how to develop a viable, reliable engine then a Turkish engine cannot be used, can it? If it would take 15+ years to achieve the required thrust and reliability domestically, co-operation with a foreign OEM is the only way to get the Kaan flying with a non-US engine before perhaps 2040. Turkiye can try to go it alone but what is the chance of succeeding before 2040 or succeeding at all?

TF6000 first firing will be proof that we can make make a proper turbofan engine. All eyes are on that at the moment. If that project goes well that is proof enough that we can manage an engine for Kaan. Worst case scenario after that would be an engine that performs somewhat under expectations and maybe requirements will be reduced for first few blocks while engine matures, that is my expectation. But even with F110 level performance and 4.5 Gen specs Kaan would still be a significant addition to our Air Force.

 

[No Name]

TF6000 first firing will be proof that we can make make a proper turbofan engine. All eyes are on that at the moment. If that project goes well that is proof enough that we can manage an engine for Kaan. Worst case scenario after that would be an engine that performs somewhat under expectations and maybe requirements will be reduced for first few blocks while engine matures, that is my expectation. But even with F110 level performance and 4.5 Gen specs Kaan would still be a significant addition to our Air Force.

Does anyone know when the first firing of the TF6000 will take place?

 

[boredaf]

Does anyone know when the first firing of the TF6000 will take place?

I don't think they've given a precise date, just some time before the year ends.

 

[Ecderha]

Does anyone know when the first firing of the TF6000 will take place?

Information.
Sorry but It is Turkish
TEI General Manager Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. Akşit just saying that they will show Real engine on Izmir fair this year
Also he saying that they doing two parallel things.
1. Indigenous the testing machine for the engine
2. The engine itself
So He personally saying that before the year ends they will try to Show real engine on Izmir fair and Show real test by powering engine and running

 

[Sanchez]

Ejection seat tests have started for the National Fighter Aircraft KAAN.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1707010363613438321

I demand to see videos..

 

[Afif]

It doesn't get old does it?
I never thought we are gonna witness something as gorgeous as F-22. But here it is, in flesh and bones.

It is almost a continues torture of pain and joy simultaneously.
It is painful becuase every time I see this big boy, I am reminded that this is not ours and we can't make it. But also, at the same time it is good to know that, at least Türkiye can.

 

[MADDOG]

https://x.com/gdhdefence/status/1707013467520020574?s=20

Ejection seat tests have started for the National Fighter Aircraft KAAN.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1707010363613438321

I demand to see videos..

KAAN's engine and ejection seat come from abroad. Testing of the ejection seat is currently being carried out.

Other parts are local. Including landing gear, which is very difficult to produce.

(HÜRJET) made its 23rd flight. The first delivery will be to the Turkish Air Force as a training aircraft in 2025.

(ANKA and AKSUNGUR SİHA) We make very good money from these. AKSUNGUR is doing very well in Asia, Africa and Latin America.

-TAI CEO Kotil

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Why ejection seat needs tests when it comes from abroad and is already tested product ? And does TAI or others have any project for national ejection seat ?

 

[MADDOG]

Why ejection seat needs tests when it comes from abroad and is already tested product ? And does TAI or others have any project for national ejection seat ?

There is this thing called a 0-0 test. The ejection seat would work just fine but there is a canopy in the way. They need to finalize the design of the detcord and make possible modifications to the seat (perhaps even the canopy) in order to allow a safe escape. And the only way to safeguard this is to make a physical test. Aircraft manufacturers send an entire forward fuselage to Martin Baker to allow these tests to take place. This was the case for both Hürkuş and Hürjet projects as well.

 

[Zafer]

Why ejection seat needs tests when it comes from abroad and is already tested product ? And does TAI or others have any project for national ejection seat ?

The ejection seat is an integral element to the airframe and has to work well on this particular plane.

 

[buraktunahan]

Why ejection seat needs tests when it comes from abroad and is already tested product ? And does TAI or others have any project for national ejection seat ?

The ejection seat is a tried and tested product. However, for each aircraft designed, the timing of the explosives, the angle of the skids relative to the canopy shape, etc. All of these need to be tried one on one.

For example, in the video below, the canopy's explosives break the canopy, but the pilot's head hits the canopy. For example, in such a situation, there is a possibility that the pilot may break his neck and die before leaving the plane.

Therefore, one-to-one real tests need to be carried out.

Ejection seat test:

 

[dBSPL]

Information.
Sorry but It is Turkish
TEI General Manager Prof. Dr. Mahmut F. Akşit just saying that they will show Real engine on Izmir fair this year
Also he saying that they doing two parallel things.
1. Indigenous the testing machine for the engine
2. The engine itself
So He personally saying that before the year ends they will try to Show real engine on Izmir fair and Show real test by powering engine and running

TF-10K will break new ground in Turkish engine engineering. It is truly a historic step, and we cannot emphasize its importance enough.
(Imagine if only TR could design and produce its own natural gas cycle power plants and maintain their operational continuity with its own engineering within decade. Consider not only the Turkish market, but also the surrounding markets, which are increasingly facing deepening supply problems or are growing very fast in this energy supply area. This area alone could lead to exponential sectoral growth in the field of derivative turbine engines above the general expectation. Not to mention military projects. )

 

[Quasar]

I have my doubts about evereything else but funny enough I am not expecting any meaningful delay in KAAN's engine TF 6000 not will but already is an unprecedented breakthrough for us

 

[DBdev]

There is this thing called a 0-0 test. The ejection seat would work just fine but there is a canopy in the way. They need to finalize the design of the detcord and make possible modifications to the seat (perhaps even the canopy) in order to allow a safe escape. And the only way to safeguard this is to make a physical test. Aircraft manufacturers send an entire forward fuselage to Martin Baker to allow these tests to take place. This was the case for both Hürkuş and Hürjet projects as well.

Does anyone know what exactly happened with our injured Hurkus pilots when they hit eject on their seats. If they tested actual forward fuselage before giving us OK. Why our pilots were injured? Did they hit their heads to canopy despite OK or did something unrelated to Martin Baker happen?

 

[Sanchez]

Does anyone know what exactly happened with our injured Hurkus pilots when they hit eject on their seats. If they tested actual forward fuselage before giving us OK. Why our pilots were injured? Did they hit their heads to canopy despite OK or did something unrelated to Martin Baker happen?

Ejections are traumatic experiences in the best case possible. So many variables. And TSK never releases such reports to the public so no way to know for certain.