TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[DBdev]

There is this thing called a 0-0 test. The ejection seat would work just fine but there is a canopy in the way. They need to finalize the design of the detcord and make possible modifications to the seat (perhaps even the canopy) in order to allow a safe escape. And the only way to safeguard this is to make a physical test. Aircraft manufacturers send an entire forward fuselage to Martin Baker to allow these tests to take place. This was the case for both Hürkuş and Hürjet projects as well.

Does anyone know what exactly happened with our injured Hurkus pilots when they hit eject on their seats. If they tested actual forward fuselage before giving us OK. Why our pilots were injured? Did they hit their heads to canopy despite OK or did something unrelated to Martin Baker happen?

 

[Sanchez]

Does anyone know what exactly happened with our injured Hurkus pilots when they hit eject on their seats. If they tested actual forward fuselage before giving us OK. Why our pilots were injured? Did they hit their heads to canopy despite OK or did something unrelated to Martin Baker happen?

Ejections are traumatic experiences in the best case possible. So many variables. And TSK never releases such reports to the public so no way to know for certain.

 

[Spitfire9]

I have my doubts about evereything else but funny enough I am not expecting any meaningful delay in KAAN's engine TF 6000 not will but already is an unprecedented breakthrough for us

Let's hope that TF 6000 comes good. Doesn't KAAN need an engine producing several times the thrust TF 6000 will produce? ie a very different engine

 

[demir283]

Let's hope that TF 6000 comes good. Doesn't KAAN need an engine producing several times the thrust TF 6000 will produce? ie a very different engine

if 6000 fully fuctioning the rest numbers like 10.000 and 13000 are just a volume and numbers ....

 

[Zafer]

It would be fantastic if the TF6000 does well right off the bat, but it does not matter if it does not; we will make it perfect a little later than sooner.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Doesn't KAAN need an engine producing several times the thrust TF 6000 will produce? ie a very different engine

Yes, KAAN will definitely need a much more powerful engine. The TEI TF-6000 engine will produce 6000 pounds of thrust without afterburner. (The number "6000" in the TF-6000 coding refers to the thrust produced in pounds by the engine.)

On the other hand, the expected thrust value from KAAN's engine is 24000+ pounds without afterburner. However, TEI is hoped that KAAN's engine will have the same architecture as the TF-6000 engine, excluding its dimensions.

It would be fantastic if the TF6000 does well right off the bat, but it does not matter if it does not; we will make it perfect a little later than sooner.

I think it will produce more than 5000 pounds of thrust even on first start.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Let's hope that TF 6000 comes good. Doesn't KAAN need an engine producing several times the thrust TF 6000 will produce? ie a very different engine

Essentially the engine that is going to power KAAN will be an oversized TF6000. But it is in essence going to be a different engine as it will have to produce over 4 times the dry thrust TF6000 is going to produce. Since we are aiming for an engine that is going to perform supercruise and provide plenty of power for auxiliary units and directed energy weapons on board, the prospective TF35K should develop around 26000lbf military thrust. So, yes; That is a big jump from 6000lbf.
TF6K, with it’s higher bypass ratio and modern design, should prove to be a good test bed to achieve a quieter and stealthier engine that we are aspiring to achieve in TF35K.
As well as being wider and bigger in size, the TF35K will have larger moving parts rotating at comparatively high angular speeds and hence will need comparatively different engineering capability to adapt these parts in to the mega structure.
If we are to go by Dr Aksit’s statements and read between the lines, the TF35K is already prepared for production in the computer in digital format. But TEI first has to prove itself that it can produce a turbofan engine; and then, according to the data obtained from TF6K, the missing or presumed data for TF35K will be put in place to determine a more successful prototype engine of TF35K.
It has also be remembered that as per @Merzifonlu has mentioned, the TF6K is really meant to go on an unmanned drone, to start with. This gives a good advantage to us to try this engine on a drone without any hesitation of the danger of losing a life. That in itself should shave off a significant time from the proposed trial period.
The other positive point on TEI’s side is the fact that they have been producing parts and engines that use most of these technologies when producing engines with GE label. Now that a completely new design is being realised with TEI label, they need to prove to themselves that they can go along with confidence all the way.

 

[zio]

If we make 25K pound dry trust with the bypass around 1 it means kaan will have realatively stealth engine and more range but inferior on high altitues,so they will decide more optimum bypass rate

 

[uçuyorum]

If we make 25K pound dry trust with the bypass around 1 it means kaan will have realatively stealth engine and more range but inferior on high altitues,so they will decide more optimum bypass rate

I mean more range is something we definitely desire. To me the biggest detail is electricity generation. I think F35 has 400kVA output, vs 60kVa of F16 C/D and even F22 is likely something around 100kVA.

 

[Quasar]

Let's hope that TF 6000 comes good. Doesn't KAAN need an engine producing several times the thrust TF 6000 will produce? ie a very different engine

in my very limited knowledge size is not everything with engines (there comes the point where they became heavy) so far higher thrust requirments were achieved in a way by seeking larger fans and lighter construction. Most effective way of doing it is new generation blisk or IBR technology i.e discs and blades are integrated and we have this technology with satisfactory level of achievements in single crystal turbine blade casting process techniquies and special material technologies with projects like Cevher 1-2

IMHO we have a single turbofan engine program with 2 products (for now)

 

[Afif]

I mean more range is something we definitely desire. To me the biggest detail is electricity generation. I think F35 has 400kVA output, vs 60kVa of F16 C/D and even F22 is likely something around 100kVA.

Actually, F-35 has 3x generator each with 80kw output. But one of them is emergency. So it doesn't run. Hence, the sustained output is 160kw.

While for F-22 it has two generator each with 65kw output. Hence, in total it is 130kw.

 

[uçuyorum]

Actually, F-35 has 3x generator each with 80kw output. But one of them is emergency. So it doesn't run. Hence, the sustained output is 160kw.

While for F-22 it has two generator each with 65kw output. Hence, in total it is 130kw.

I've read that it was upgraded to or was planned to be upgraded from initial 160 to 400

 

[Afif]

I've read that it was upgraded to or was planned to be upgraded from initial 160 to 400

Well, not yet.

 

[Merzifonlu]

BTW, It was said (unofficial) by TEI officials that the TEI TF-6000 engine would be delivered for testing in KE & Anka-3 in mid-2025.

 

[Saithan]

TF-10K will break new ground in Turkish engine engineering. It is truly a historic step, and we cannot emphasize its importance enough.
(Imagine if only TR could design and produce its own natural gas cycle power plants and maintain their operational continuity with its own engineering within decade. Consider not only the Turkish market, but also the surrounding markets, which are increasingly facing deepening supply problems or are growing very fast in this energy supply area. This area alone could lead to exponential sectoral growth in the field of derivative turbine engines above the general expectation. Not to mention military projects. )

How come Türkiye can’t produce its own natural gas cycle power plant. We have enough tech firms and engineers, so what’s holding us back ?

 

[uçuyorum]

How come Türkiye can’t produce its own natural gas cycle power plant. We have enough tech firms and engineers, so what’s holding us back ?

Botaş already signed an agreement with TEI for devopment of new turbine generators

BOTAŞ ve TEI İş Birliği Büyüyerek Devam Ediyor | BOTAŞ - Boru Hatları İle Petrol Taşıma Anonim Şirketi

www.botas.gov.tr

 

[uçuyorum]

Botaş already signed an agreement with TEI for devopment of new turbine generators

BOTAŞ ve TEI İş Birliği Büyüyerek Devam Ediyor | BOTAŞ - Boru Hatları İle Petrol Taşıma Anonim Şirketi

www.botas.gov.tr

Actually it's not generators but I think turbine compressors for LNG processing?

 

[TheInsider]

Mid 2025 is really good. 1.5 years from the first ignition to aircraft tests.

 

[Samba]

A running and flying tf6000 in 2025 would mean tf35k is realistic for 2028.

 

[buraktunahan]

Temel Kotil: "Hopefully, we will start the rapid ground tests of KAAN in the first week of December. We plan to do the rejected takeoff tests in the 3rd week and fly in the 4th week. We have a timer counting down at TAI. When it shows the seconds, hopefully we will have flown. We turned on the Hürjet's afterburner. Once the plane flies, it continues to fly. We want to fly KAAN as soon as possible so that more can follow."

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