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I did not say the TF6000 would fail. I asked how it was certain it would be successful in the near future.If calculations show that the project will be successful, what are the reasons for its failure? Just because it was implemented by inexperienced Turkish engineers?
Jet engines began to be produced about 100 years ago. It should also be taken into account that they were made by inexperienced engineers. Well, what could be the problem?
TEI PD 170 is said to be not only successful, but also a "champion" in its class. What does it mean?!
We made the TS1400 blades and the engine is ripe for mass productionYes close,thats all for now.
Türkiye can already make way better engines than what F110 can offer, it is just a matter of a few years of time.
I don't know.I did not say the TF6000 would fail. I asked how it was certain it would be successful in the near future.
If jet engines were so easy to design, they would be designed, be built and work satisfactorily with only tests for confirmation of performance and reliability being required before being put into production. Has that ever happened with a GE, P&W, RR or SAFRAN engine?
F110 engine is an older design while TF35000 is a modern design made up to today's requirements. Even if we achieve 85-90% of the design performance level it is better than the F110 engine.What makes you think that ? Proof of the pudding is in the eating. When we will successfully complete all the required testing of the TF-35000, and deliver it, then we will be able to claim that.
Computer simulation was reinvented after 2010, things evolve faster than ever before. it is blindness not to see that things made in the last couple of decades are far superior to ones made in the decades before. Just as an example.
F110 > TIT of 1510 °C delivered 1980s
F119 > TIT of 1649 °C delivered 1997
F135 > TIT of 1980 °C delivered 2009
While it is good to be positive, I would be very surprised if the TF35000 were built, ground-tested and tested in a flying testbed KAAN in 2028.Computer simulation was reinvented after 2010, things evolve faster than ever before. it is blindness not to see that things made in the last couple of decades are far superior to ones made in the decades before. Just as an example.
F110 > TIT of 1510 °C delivered 1980s
F119 > TIT of 1649 °C delivered 1997
F135 > TIT of 1980 °C delivered 2009
It is safe to assume we can pull off 1600 °C easy, in time for when you want to start building your engine. There are those who do not believe 2028 is when TF35000 makes the skies a home and those who don't. I think it will happen even earlier.
Tövbe tövbe.We made the TS1400 blades and the engine is ripe for mass production
We did the first run with the TF6000/TF10000 blades
We started making test parts for the upcoming TF350000 Kaan engine
What comes next in this sequence of milestones is the completion of making the parts required for the TF35000 engine to run which includes high end turbine blades. We are probably no further away than just one year before we complete building the engine.
While there is no insider information in this prediction it is the natural flow of events one can expect.
Time to change it to Western,no?I am mainly interested in Russian engines.
So much professed superiority and presumptions but we don't even have a single turbine engine in operation today.We made the TS1400 blades and the engine is ripe for mass production
We did the first run with the TF6000/TF10000 blades
We started making test parts for the upcoming TF350000 Kaan engine
What comes next in this sequence of milestones is the completion of making the parts required for the TF35000 engine to run which includes high end turbine blades. We are probably no further away than just one year before we complete building the engine.
While there is no insider information in this prediction it is the natural flow of events one can expect.
You have claimed this before and have failed to show a source. May I ask again? Can you please provide a source for it unless you happen to be in the inner circles and came by this information through your own connections?We started making test parts for the upcoming TF350000 Kaan engine
I don't know.
I am mainly interested in Russian engines. They have been working on two aircraft engines for a long time.
Russian engineers have enormous experience, but they have not yet achieved success. And they work on them for 10-15 years.
You probably were surprised with Kaan flying too.While it is good to be positive, I would be very surprised if the TF35000 were built, ground-tested and tested in a flying testbed KAAN in 2028.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember that it took a long time for TF6000 to have its first run after assembly was reported to be complete. Any idea why, should you have an idea?
There was news again recently about the materials to be also used in the making of the Kaan engine being trialed. I said test parts. Even there is no news pointers it is safe to think there must be parts making trials if not making the actual parts to be used. It is not much different making the actual part or testing the processes on trial parts. When the design of the engine is frozen they would start making the actual parts of which we are in the dark yet. There must be lots and lots of partial assembly trials before the running of the engine as a whole.So much professed superiority and presumptions but we don't even have a single turbine engine in operation today.
Let's get this straight. We all yearn for the same thing. The fate of KAAN and the nation's independence is contingent on this engine. Any dose of optimism or pessimism does not call into question of someone's loyalty or his enthusiasm.
The ability of producing blisks or single-crystal superalloys do not automatically translate to design and production capability of a complete large 5th gen turbofan engine. Unlike some other countries, to solve a single problem we need to solve 100 other problems due to our lack of infrastructure and know-how.
All these problems and the ones we haven't faced yet will be solved if the money and the will is there. However, the crux of the matter is the timeframe.
Just one last note, a prototype and deliverable product are two vastly different things. This is especially true for the non-legacy players like us.
You have claimed this before and have failed to show a source. May I ask again? Can you please provide a source for it unless you happen to be in the inner circles and came by this information through your own connections.
Nobody is suprised by Kaan's flying. Do you think TF35000 will be built, ground-tested and tested in a flying testbed KAAN in 2028 ?You probably were surprised with Kaan flying too.
It is okay to take your time with a first engine, the platforms the engine is meant to power are already flying with another engine after all, why bother rushing it. It is okay to make the TF10000 stay in the pipeline for as much as you want as the planes it will power are not the backbones of the air force for some time to come.
However with the waters boiling in the world you don't want to be sloppy with making your main fighter come to life, also considering the market opportunities for such a fighter. The components that would presumably be last to be ready for deployment are the power turbine blades. All other parts and processes are relatively easier to achieve. It may take a few tries before the engine learns to fly but the sooner you try the sooner you get there.
Yes, but speak for yourself when saying not surprized.Nobody is suprised by Kaan's flying. Do you think TF35000 will be built, ground-tested and tested in a flying testbed KAAN in 2028 ?
Technologically, the West is, of course, superior to Russia. The Russians themselves admit this.Time to change it to Western,no?
Ever done a comparison?
See the difference first.