TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Ryder]

The latest planes are the best, we can catch up quickly with some good leadership which we have.

Catching up is not easy. It takes decades while your rival is ahead.

I do have faith that the Turks will build a great jet.

 

[Zafer]

Catching up is not easy. It takes decades while your rival is ahead.

I do have faith that the Turks will build a great jet.

We have only a few years to see how our efforts will turn out. Kızılelma, Hürjet and TFX are only a few short years away. Kızılelma and Hürjet flights are even months away.

 

[Combat-Master]

Catching up is not easy. It takes decades while your rival is ahead.

I do have faith that the Turks will build a great jet.

If we look at how F-35 is progressing, they have a solid aircraft from to do incremental updates and improvements. Engine, software and electronic hardware has come a long way from Block-1 F-35. If you have a look at Block-4 F-35 which will enter production late 2023, F-35 has come a long way. So, catching up is continual - continually investing and improving TFX is what is necessary, to do that we need a great foundation - the aircraft - and a solid government that isn't going to waiver funds to the TFX programme or halt it all together.

 

[Huelague]

If the TFX is on par with a lot of jets im happy with that but lets be honest.

Americans have been making planes for like 100 years with this you have planes like the F117 Nighthawk, F22, F16, F35, F14 Tomcat, F15, B2 Spirit bomber, B1B Lancer, FA 18 Hornet, F111, A10 Thunderbolt and various other planes.

Do they (USA) have more experience, money, personal and resources? Yes, they have. But what is our advantage? We can fall back of current technologies and up to date findings. For example, no one in aviation use graphen, its the newest "technology" (material). We can easily switch to this material in our projects. Aother example is the using of the newest CPU. Or 3D printer, which we use right now.
Of course, USA is also able to use this technologies, but only for current projects, not for completed projects. Even they try, it would cost much money and work.

 

[B.t.N]

There are rumours out on the net on a (conditional) invitation to UK’s Tempest program, to be detailed after TFX engine (RR) agreement! Do any of these hold water, or is it just another low-flier stiring up the pot…

 

[TheInsider]

The UK wants Turkiye on the Tempest program. Turkiye can bring the real capability to the Tempest program especially costs can be reduced a lot with the Turkish contribution.

 

[kenny]

The UK wants Turkiye on the Tempest program. Turkiye can bring the real capability to the Tempest program especially costs can be reduced a lot with the Turkish contribution.

what is your source

 

[B.t.N]

The UK wants Turkiye on the Tempest program. Turkiye can bring the real capability to the Tempest program especially costs can be reduced a lot with the Turkish contribution.

That sure sounds like a blessing for our aviation industry (it will certainly boost capability and income), unless we somehow blow this one as well, just like the F35 program…

Then again, I am refering to exclusive manufacturing and maintenance rights as a partner, and not discussing whether or not the plane (F35) is worth the lament!

 

[B.t.N]

what is your source

If it is of any interest to you, these are likely sources of such rumours;

”Turkey, which was last year kicked out of the consortium led by US giant Lockheed-Martin building the new F-35 stealth fighter jet after buying Russian-made air defence systems,, has also been mooted as a possible partner. So has Australia.”

Team Tempest fighter must have another big partner in its sights

Sky's Ian King says progress in the Team Tempest project is crucial for the country's defence sector and the jobs it supports.

news.sky.com

or this;

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[Oublious]

The UK wants Turkiye on the Tempest program. Turkiye can bring the real capability to the Tempest program especially costs can be reduced a lot with the Turkish contribution.

then why are we spending and wasting billions on TFX? what kind benefits will we get from it?

 

[Yasar_TR]

then why are we spending and wasting billions on TFX? what kind benefits will we get from it?

This plane is planned so that first examples will be available after 2035.
But taking a previously UK led EF2000 program as example ;
The EF2000 idea started in 1971. First consortium formed in 1983 and program launched. First flight in 1994. First orders placed in 1998. It was in 2008 that the first serial order planes were flown.
So at best think of tempest as a post 2040 plane. Realistically 2045 onwards.
Technologies utilised on the Tempest will help evolve TFX further. Having a foot in the western high tech companies will allow us to develop our own aircraft industry quicker and help stay in line with current and relevant technologies.
The benefits of this kind of partnership can not be purchased and the value of it can not be expressed in numbers.

 

[what]

Dang, this has been my dream scenario since the F35 fiasco. But with the Swedes onboard this seems difficult to realize.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

If these rumours are true, I really hope that the Tempest is already planned to be hypersonic. Both the USA and China will have hypersonic 6th gen fighters.

I wonder how this would be approached. Variable cycle engines combined with ramjets? Perhaps rotating detonation engines? A really interesting period is coming for military aviation.

 

[Yasar_TR]

If these rumours are true, I really hope that the Tempest is already planned to be hypersonic. Both the USA and China will have hypersonic 6th gen fighters.

I wonder how this would be approached. Variable cycle engines combined with ramjets? Perhaps rotating detonation engines? A really interesting period is coming for military aviation.

A manned fighter plane that can achieve hypersonic speeds is a little far fetched with today’s known current technology. Even an unmanned one will be subjected to such stresses and air friction levels that only above a very high altitude can it be considered.
Hypersonic is 5+ Mach sustained speed levels. The plane will have to
employ a scramjet engine. It is not an impossibility, and one day could very well become reality. In fact there are rumours that US are already planning to incorporate this technology in their 6th Gen fighters.

But this engine that RR is developing for Tempest will not fly that bird at hypersonic speeds. But nevertheless it is a revolutionary engine as engines go.

6th-generation jet fighters may involve hypersonic technology, artificial intelligence (AI)

WASHINGTON – Drone jet fighters, hypersonic attack planes, artificial intelligence, lasers, electronic warfare, and sensors woven into the fuselage of an aircraft all are areas...

www.militaryaerospace.com

 

[Lonewolf]

Perhaps rotating detonation engines?

Pulsejet ? Isn't that tech a bit less mature to be utilised on a plane directly

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Pulsejet ? Isn't that tech a bit less mature to be utilised on a plane directly

Rotating detonation engines definitely need a decade or so to be ready. From what I've heard they have immense potential, both in terms of efficiency and thrust levels. Their stability is the main issue right now. If their design is perfected, they will have the ability to power hypersonic aircraft, no need for two different engines for different speeds.

 

[TheInsider]

Variable cycle turbo ramjet engines might be a reality in a decade.

US5694768A - Variable cycle turbofan-ramjet engine - Google Patents

An improved variable cycle turbofan-ramjet engine is disclosed. The engine includes a split fan assembly, a bypass channel surrounding a core engine and a mode selector valve for selectively bypassing air around an aft fan and the core engine. In a first, single bypass mode of operation, the...

patents.google.com

https://media.neliti.com/media/publications/264964-design-and-analysis-of-variable-cycle-en-2cbf094f.pdf

 

[B.t.N]

Dang, this has been my dream scenario since the F35 fiasco. But with the Swedes onboard this seems difficult to realize.

Difficult but within reach… All we have to do is leave behind the traditional black and white notions and adopt a multi-lateral foreign policy.

UK is striving to become a center of gravity, gradually distancing herself from the EU. And Turkey is one of the countries she desires to work with in this regard. Standing at the doorsteps of Nato, Sweden has little to say if and when we shake hands with the UK for the Tempest Project.

Turkey has a wild card, it will bring a fortune if we use it with proven logic, and keep our vocal chords and balls off the game…

 

[Lonewolf]

Rotating detonation engines definitely need a decade or so to be ready. From what I've heard they have immense potential, both in terms of efficiency and thrust levels. Their stability is the main issue right now. If their design is perfected, they will have the ability to power hypersonic aircraft, no need for two different engines for different speeds.

Main issue is if you want continuous thrust ,you need multiple combustion unit , and if you use enough number of such unit , it may increase the size

 

[B.t.N]

Difficult but within reach… All we have to do is leave behind the traditional black and white notions and adopt a multi-lateral foreign policy.

UK is striving to become a center of gravity, gradually distancing herself from the EU. And Turkey is one of the countries she desires to work with in this regard. Standing at the doorsteps of Nato, Sweden has little to say if and when we shake hands with the UK for the Tempest Project.

Turkey has a wild card, it will bring a fortune if we use it with proven logic, and keep our vocal chords and balls off the game…

CNN: “British PM’s Party loses strongholds in local elections, largely due to increased cost of living.”

This is pretty much the situation for the past two decades in the UK. UK citizens are getting less and less from the wellfare pool. Another decade, they will not be able to finance over-budget projects, like the Tempest. UK does not have the luxury to align with others against Turkey, they want us in, as much as we want to become a partner!