TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Siper>MMU]

UV-based MWS has higher fidelity on lower altitudes with stronger background IR radiation from the surface. UV based MWS like those on the Belgian F-16s or F-15s acquired by Gulf countries have them for a reason and it is especially useful in dry, hot climates. If Turkish focus is to get MMU prepared against potential low-altitude asymmetric attack near the airfield using something like MANPADS, similar to what those Gulf countries are preparing themselves for, by for example the PKK or Greek spec-ops, a UV MWS could perfectly do its job and would arguably be more suited than the IR-based MWS.

Though since THK's most serious thread is that against the Hellenic Air Force, IR-based MWS would be more suitable for potential high-intensity conflict across the Aegean. Both has its strengths.

UV based MWS has disadvantages against certain rocket motor types due to their burning temperature, UV emission wavelength etc. This is one of the reasons why Russian MWS systems sometimes fail against manpads in Ukraine. UV also doesn't detect overall IR signature of the missile which includes excessive heat from drag etc. IR is better at almost everyway. And since MMU is meant for medium to high altitude, using UV MWS is very very bad. And yeah with IR you can have DAS like F35

 

[Boz]

 

[Radko]

Holy that AESA mount, will be a beast for sure

 

[Afif]

Holy that AESA mount, will be a beast for sure

Almost a mini AWACS!

 

[Pilatino]

Holy that AESA mount, will be a beast for sure

I agree 2000 GAN at least

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1608836407598157824

Temel Kotil: We installed the MMU's engine on the evening of December 21, 2022.

I was right again.

 

[Combat-Master]

I agree 2000 GAN at least

2000+ Main
2x 500+ Left and Right Flank
500+ Aft

That would be a beast!

 

[Pilatino]

2000+ Main
2x 500+ Left and Right Flank
500+ Aft

That would be a beast!

Wouldn't all of those need smt like TF45000?

 

[Radko]

Wouldn't all of those need smt like TF45000?

Not really, it is more about generator than the engine

 

[Cypro]

As far as I see, they rushed TFX's prototype and rollout because of some people* that is why, we won't see it flying for a longer time, some parts or design might change, it looks very different than the mockup or previous designs as well, but Hurjet looks finalized, I believe it will fly and LRIP might start sooner than expected.

Same problem with Atak 2, probably rushed.. and it will have engine problems, because Engines = Ukraine = War.. unless they drop Ukrainian engines and use TEI T700..

 

[Radko]

As far as I see, they rushed TFX's prototype and rollout because of some people* that is why, we won't see it flying for a longer time, some parts or design might change, it looks very different than the mockup or previous designs as well, but Hurjet looks finalized, I believe it will fly and LRIP might start sooner than expected.

Same problem with Atak 2, probably rushed.. and it will have engine problems, because Engines = Ukraine = War.. unless they drop Ukrainian engines and use TEI T700..

T700 is not enough for Atak-2

 

[Boz]

Happy New Year Dear DefenceHub!

 

[CAN_TR]

As far as I see, they rushed TFX's prototype and rollout because of some people* that is why, we won't see it flying for a longer time, some parts or design might change, it looks very different than the mockup or previous designs as well, but Hurjet looks finalized, I believe it will fly and LRIP might start sooner than expected.

Same problem with Atak 2, probably rushed.. and it will have engine problems, because Engines = Ukraine = War.. unless they drop Ukrainian engines and use TEI T700..

TUSAS presented a TFX cockpit mock-up at Faranborough Airshow that looked similar to the current prototype.

 

[Combat-Master]

TUSAS presented a TFX cockpit mock-up at Faranborough Airshow that looked similar to the current prototype.

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Gotta be the worst mockup ever, look at that radome !

 

[bisbis]

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"**History is brought forward in the National Combat Aircraft: We don't have to wait


TUSAŞ General Manager Temel Kotil shared the good news that the National Combat Aircraft (MMU) is nearing the end. Kotil said, 'We have a promise to take it out of the hangar on March 18. Of course, we do not need to wait for March 18. We learned a lot. We've recovered. Whenever our elders want to hold a ceremony, we are about to finish our preparations. he said.**"

Projects are accelerating day by day. As the experience of our defense industry increases, the speed of product development also increases. I think it is possible for Kızılelma and Mmu to start working in 2-3 years.

 

[Radko]

In the latest ASELSAN magazine, there is a small but good info about RAM's

When applied to hotspots, it can decrease the RCS by around 1000 times, (-30dBsm)

This is a really good amount, i hope it is also easy to maintain and resistant to weather (eg F-35 RAM)

 

[Afif]

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In the latest ASELSAN magazine, there is a small but good info about RAM's

When applied to hotspots, it can decrease the RCS by around 1000 times, (-30dBsm)

This is a really good amount, i hope it is also easy to maintain and resistant to weather (eg F-35 RAM)

what you mean by hotspots?

 

[Radko]

what you mean by hotspots?

scattering centers, RCS hotspots

 

[Afif]

scattering centers, RCS hotspots

Shall we try to guesstimate TFXs RCS from that?

 

[Radko]

Shall we try to guesstimate TFXs RCS from that?

Probably we cannot, we need someone that can model TF-X with all the details and run EMW simulation in Ansys.



But -30dBsm means if we apply this to a flat surface that has 1m² RCS for a given direction, it would have 0.001m² with ASELSAN's RAM applied over it.


Of course effectiveness depends on RADAR wavelength/frequency but i am assuming all of these are for X band