TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Strong AI]

The only reason for the establishment of TRmotor is that half of TEI is owned by GE. In order to have an engine that is 100% owned by Turkey, TRmotor should produce it, not TEI. In fact, TEI will do the work, but officially it will look like TRmotor is doing it.

According to your logic, Türkiye needs approval of the USA, when they want to export all the engines TEI developed.
For which engine export of TEI did Türkiye ask the USA? Can you name one?

 

[TheInsider]

TRMOTOR is %100 owned by TAI, and TEI is also %51 owned by TAI. TRMotor is a design bureau, and TEI is a factory. TEI design team (biggest), the TRMotor design team(TRMotor recruited engineers), and the Ivchenko Progress design team (their position is similar to BAE input in KAAN) work under TRMotor that way all of the design capabilities came together under a single structure to unify design efforts. It seems like this approach accelerated the engine project.

IMHO RR missed its chance. Bad for them they will lose billions. Because I expect Kaan to sell like hotcakes. There won't be any Kaan alternative on sale in 2030s. KAAN will be the only 5th gen fighter available at that size and kinematic capability with stealth and 5th-generation sensor suite. Tempest won't be around. French FCAS won't be around. AMCA won't be equal as it is a smaller fighter. F-35 will also be smaller and it comes with a lot of strings attached.

 

[Huelague]

The only reason for the establishment of TRmotor is that half of TEI is owned by GE. In order to have an engine that is 100% owned by Turkey, TRmotor should produce it, not TEI. In fact, TEI will do the work, but officially it will look like TRmotor is doing it.

Dont forget that 'some' experienced engineers and technicians went from TEI to TRmotor.

 

[2033]

According to your logic, Türkiye needs approval of the USA, when they want to export all the engines TEI developed.
For which engine export of TEI did Türkiye ask the USA? Can you name one?

There are already a few UCAV engines developed by TEI. TEI does not have many engine types. So I can't give you an example.

 

[boredaf]

2018

According to your logic, BMC Power should not be able to produce all engine prototypes, which they did already produce and are currently testing.

I stand corrected. But if what you say is true and real designer of TF-35000 is TRMotor and TEI's TF6000 has nothing to do with it than its even worse. 6 years after that signing ceremony they have nothing to show and the engine is supposed to be ready for integration in 4 to 6 years?

And nice strawman you got going there, diesel engines and 5th gen jet engines are just the same thing of course.

 

[Heartbang]

AMCA won't be equal as it is a smaller fighter. F-35 will also be smaller and it comes with a lot of strings attached.

Both KF-21 and AMCA also use F404 derivatives as their powerplants, making them subject to ITAR limitations.
Which limits their chances of export against the F-35.

 

[Heartbang]

Anyone got an auto-confirmed account on Wikipedia?

I think its time we changed that title to "TAI Kaan" as it should be.

TAI TF Kaan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Lool]

TRMOTOR is %100 owned by TAI, and TEI is also %51 owned by TAI. TRMotor is a design bureau, and TEI is a factory. TEI design team (biggest), the TRMotor design team(TRMotor recruited engineers), and the Ivchenko Progress design team (their position is similar to BAE input in KAAN) work under TRMotor that way all of the design capabilities came together under a single structure to unify design efforts. It seems like this approach accelerated the engine project.

IMHO RR missed its chance. Bad for them they will lose billions. Because I expect Kaan to sell like hotcakes. There won't be any Kaan alternative on sale in 2030s. KAAN will be the only 5th gen fighter available at that size and kinematic capability with stealth and 5th-generation sensor suite. Tempest won't be around. French FCAS won't be around. AMCA won't be equal as it is a smaller fighter. F-35 will also be smaller and it comes with a lot of strings attached.

By TRMotor recruited engineers, do you mean that they recruited engineers from both TEI and Ivchenko Progress to teach their own engineers just like when TAI recruited BAE engineers to aid and teach Turkish engineers regarding KAAN and Hurjet? Or is there other meaning?

 

[Ahlatshah]

According to your logic, Türkiye needs approval of the USA, when they want to export all the engines TEI developed.
For which engine export of TEI did Türkiye ask the USA? Can you name one?

There is no single example we have asked or GE stands the way of exported engines produced by TEI. Not so far at least

But TEI can not have the rights of TF35000: By the time TF35000 is ready, there is a possibility that GE might become obstacle. At that point, if we try to nationalize TEI, it will become far too expensive to do it. Even if we bite the bullet and nationalize TEI nonetheless, we will lose all the advantage and profits of export income being the subsidiary of GE.

 

[Khagan1923]

Anyone got an auto-confirmed account on Wikipedia?

I think its time we changed that title to "TAI Kaan" as it should be.

TAI TF Kaan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Articles on Turkish military hardware are lacking in general on Wikipedia.

As an example Hürjet is still using pictures of the Mock-Up and the information in general is outdated.

 

[DBdev]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1761778996914610413

 

[Afif]

Egypt?? Really?

 

[dBSPL]

Egypt?? Really?

We are taking Egypt to our line. In exchange for certain conditions. You can read any western pov report, think tank analysis you want. All based on the fact that Egypt and Turkiye must be bitter rivals. If the two countries can forge an alliance around common interests and join forces on contentious issues, it could have a paradigm-shifting effect in the east-Med and Africa .

 

[Afif]

We are taking Egypt to our line. In exchange for certain conditions. You can read any western pov report, think tank analysis you want. All based on the fact that Egypt and Turkiye must be bitter rivals. If the two countries can forge an alliance around common interests and join forces on contentious issues, it could have a paradigm-shifting effect in the eastern Mediterranean.

It would, but you can't trust someone like SISI. Specially with high-end strategic stuff. Same goes for UAE.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

We are taking Egypt to our line. In exchange for certain conditions. You can read any western pov report, think tank analysis you want. All based on the fact that Egypt and Turkiye must be bitter rivals. If the two countries can forge an alliance around common interests and join forces on contentious issues, it could have a paradigm-shifting effect in the east-Med and Africa .

I hope there will be an "export version" of KAAN. Wouldn't be the smartest idea to export a 1:1 version.

 

[uçuyorum]

We are taking Egypt to our line. In exchange for certain conditions. You can read any western pov report, think tank analysis you want. All based on the fact that Egypt and Turkiye must be bitter rivals. If the two countries can forge an alliance around common interests and join forces on contentious issues, it could have a paradigm-shifting effect in the east-Med and Africa .

That ship feels like it has sailed. They already bought number of ships and jets from France and rest of EU. If we had kept better relations after coup and offered them Milgem, the equation would be different.

 

[Oublious]

I hope there will be an "export version" of KAAN. Wouldn't be the smartest idea to export a 1:1 version.

monkey model like the Western world give them, after that fiasco with Gasforum and sending ships and fighters to greecs...

 

[dBSPL]

I hope there will be an "export version" of KAAN. Wouldn't be the smartest idea to export a 1:1 version.

There is nothing certainty, and in all, such a sale may not take place also. (But UAVs are certain, and we will be providing important support to the Egyptian air force in enhancing its tactical capabilities. Maybe Insider üstad will give some details, there should be a few more topics at the agreement stage). But I find it useful to speculate about these things by officials. I will not write in detail why I think so for now.

 

[Heartbang]

but you can't trust someone like SISI.

Under normal conditions, I'd agree with this. But Sisi got himself into a lotta pickles lately.
The ill-received way they handled Gaza, food shortages, the overall state of their economy, the water dispute with Ethiopia, etc.

This current rapprochement is not exactly a negotiation between equals.
If Sisi wants to keep Egypt from collapsing, let alone hold onto his power, he has to swallow his pride and agree to some things.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

@dBSPL Any idea when we will see the next flight of KAAN?