TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Huelague]

It is not possible to copy F119. Besides, TEI doesn't have any experience with that.

What about older engines ?

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788074362320429484

The music is mesmerizing. House of KAAN's first teaser! It's a glimpse to a beautiful and glorious story that continues. And let it be....

 

[TR_123456]

I am sure that Block 0 and maybe 10 will still run with F119 engines.

You mean F-110 engine?

 

[Huelague]

You mean F-110 engine?

Me, too. 40 years old engine. No intellectual property rights exist on this old engine.

 

[Zafer]

Türkiye can already make way better engines than what F110 can offer, it is just a matter of a few years of time.

 

[Afif]

Türkiye can already make way better engines than what F110 can offer, it is just a matter of a few years of time.

Buddy, you have to wait at least until having a working prototype in class to claim that, Türkiye can already make better engines than F110.

 

[Zafer]

Buddy, you have to wait at least until having a working prototype to claim Türkiye can already make better engines than F110.

We can already make parts of it, what makes you think we can not make whole when we wanted to. Some need to see it to believe it, I guess.

 

[Spitfire9]

Türkiye can already make way better engines than what F110 can offer, it is just a matter of a few years of time.

How do you know the TF6000 will perform successfully in the near future? Ditto TF10000. Ditto a much more powerful indigenous design.

PS I think that TF6000 will be successful. When? No idea.

 

[Zafer]

How do you know the TF6000 will perform successfully in the near future? Ditto TF10000. Ditto a much more powerful indigenous design.

PS I think that TF6000 will be successful. When? No idea.

The same way I have seen Kaan fly and because we work hard to make it happen.

 

[TR_123456]

Türkiye can already make way better engines than what F110 can offer, it is just a matter of a few years of time.

So,we cant yet.
Dont do that,we are not others claiming to be or have when they are not and dont have.
Claim it in a ''few'' years when we have the engine.

 

[Sanchez]

Me, too. 40 years old engine. No intellectual property rights exist on this old engine.

That’s not how IP works, it’s not a trademark or a patent.

 

[Zafer]

So,we cant yet.
Dont do that,we are not others claiming to be or have when they are not and dont have.
Claim it in a ''few'' years when we have the engine.

We have accomplished the power turbine blade metallurgy, what else do you need to know to believe that we are very close to making capable turbine blades. It is easy to believe what you see but it will be too late to make plans based on it.

 

[Iskander]

How do you know the TF6000 will perform successfully in the near future? Ditto TF10000. Ditto a much more powerful indigenous design.

PS I think that TF6000 will be successful. When? No idea.

If calculations show that the project will be successful, what are the reasons for its failure? Just because it was implemented by inexperienced Turkish engineers?
Jet engines began to be produced about 100 years ago. It should also be taken into account that they were made by inexperienced engineers. Well, what could be the problem?
TEI PD 170 is said to be not only successful, but also a "champion" in its class. What does it mean?!

 

[TR_123456]

close

Yes close,thats all for now.

 

[Spitfire9]

If calculations show that the project will be successful, what are the reasons for its failure? Just because it was implemented by inexperienced Turkish engineers?
Jet engines began to be produced about 100 years ago. It should also be taken into account that they were made by inexperienced engineers. Well, what could be the problem?
TEI PD 170 is said to be not only successful, but also a "champion" in its class. What does it mean?!

I did not say the TF6000 would fail. I asked how it was certain it would be successful in the near future.

If jet engines were so easy to design, they would be designed, be built and work satisfactorily with only tests for confirmation of performance and reliability being required before being put into production. Has that ever happened with a GE, P&W, RR or SAFRAN engine?

 

[Zafer]

Yes close,thats all for now.

We made the TS1400 blades and the engine is ripe for mass production
We did the first run with the TF6000/TF10000 blades
We started making test parts for the upcoming TF350000 Kaan engine

What comes next in this sequence of milestones is the completion of making the parts required for the TF35000 engine to run which includes high end turbine blades. We are probably no further away than just one year before we complete building the engine.

While there is no insider information in this prediction it is the natural flow of events one can expect.

 

[I_Love_F16]

Türkiye can already make way better engines than what F110 can offer, it is just a matter of a few years of time.

What makes you think that ? Proof of the pudding is in the eating. When we will successfully complete all the required testing of the TF-35000, and deliver it, then we will be able to claim that.

 

[Iskander]

I did not say the TF6000 would fail. I asked how it was certain it would be successful in the near future.

If jet engines were so easy to design, they would be designed, be built and work satisfactorily with only tests for confirmation of performance and reliability being required before being put into production. Has that ever happened with a GE, P&W, RR or SAFRAN engine?

I don't know.
I am mainly interested in Russian engines. They have been working on two aircraft engines for a long time.
Russian engineers have enormous experience, but they have not yet achieved success. And they work on them for 10-15 years.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Individual part production expertise, is not a sign of capability of a complete turbofan engine manufacturing.
An accomplished engine manufacturer like SNECMA took years before M88-1 engine can be flown. In 1983 the engine project was started. In 1986 the plane was ready to house an engine; but no flyable engine. So GEF404 were used. Then it took a further 1600 hours of testing to improve it etc. Then only in 1990 could it be usable on Rafale planes as M88-2 version.

TEI has never manufactured a complete flying turbofan to date. It is worse than being presumptuous to say that we can manufacture a better engine than F110. F110 is not the same engine that was produced in early 1980s. It has evolved in to a much more modern engine today with Blisk Fans and use additive technologies in it’s parts and presumably 4th generation single crystal turbine blades. Let us get our feet solidly on the ground first. Let us fly TF6000. That however, doesn’t in itself prove that a day later we can make an engine of F110 caliber.
Proof of the pudding is in the eating. We need to manufacture the damn engine. Believing you can make it and literally making it are two different things.
TF6000 and TF35000 will have very different sized parts. They will need different engineering applications. Having built TF6000 doesn’t mean we will build TF35000 straight away. Every engine is a separate project in it’s own right.

Yes we can build a good enough engine that will power KAAN. But when is the operative word.

 

[Zafer]

What makes you think that ? Proof of the pudding is in the eating. When we will successfully complete all the required testing of the TF-35000, and deliver it, then we will be able to claim that.

F110 engine is an older design while TF35000 is a modern design made up to today's requirements. Even if we achieve 85-90% of the design performance level it is better than the F110 engine.