TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[TheInsider]

As you know, even 4.5th gen F-16s are getting weaker laser weapons via pods. Next generation F-35s are almost certainly going to have destructive, longer range laser weapons. Without ignoring these developments, what do you think about having a 3rd generator on a future 6th gen. KAAN for directed energy weapons. TAI CEO keeps talking about man-unmanned 6th gen plans, ANKA-3+KAAN co-operation. But we have never heard anything about DEWs, which is the most important feature of a 6th gen fighter after hypersonic engines.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1790062134161813868

2x150 kW. There is no need for a third generator as the space allocated to current generators can house even bigger ones but there is no need as there is no subsystem to take advantage of it for the KAAN block 10.

There won't be a laser weapon for KAAN Block 10 but there is a project to arm KAAN with high-powered laser weapons for later blocks. The project is classified.

There is a soft schedule/target dates for the engine of KAAN similar to the first flight date of KAAN.
The first ignition will be in 2026.
The first flight will be in December 2028. Everybody push hard for this date but it might be delayed to 2029.
The first serial production will be in 2031 but this one also might be delayed to 2032.

 

[boredaf]

There won't be a laser weapon for KAAN Block 10 but there is a project to arm KAAN with high-powered laser weapons for later blocks.

I am curious to see how we (or anyone for that matter) are going to solve the issue of making a laser weapon omnidirectional without compromising stealth too much, as they are supposed to be defensive weapons against missiles.

I am highly doubtful of "pods", as they are being touted now, being that useful since they are pointed one way; even in Lockheed Martin's video you can see they are showing F-16 down a missile aimed at a different plane, rather than actually defend itself with the pod.

 

[DBdev]

@TheInsider wow you really have the best info. Thank you very much.

Do you have any insider info on TF-6000 tests? I am most curious about that. What is the real life maximum thrust? Maximum heat reached in the hot section? Were there any problems that could affect, delay KAAN's engine. Since TF-6000 was supposed to be an engine that demonstrates turbofan capabilities of Turkish nation. Which as big a deal as KAAN itself IMHO.

 

[Spitfire9]

The engine for the TFX has been on the drawing board for many years. Even before 2018. (TR Motor was formed in April 2017)

Thanks. I was unaware of that.

I wonder if a prototype has been built, tested and meets requirements.

If in fact the engine has not yet been built first run is is going to be in 2026, to me there remains a level of uncertainty that the engine will be ready for 2028/2029 flight in KAAN.

 

[TheInsider]

@TheInsider wow you really have the best info. Thank you very much.

Do you have any insider info on TF-6000 tests? I am most curious about that. What is the real life maximum thrust? Maximum heat reached in the hot section? Were there any problems that could affect, delay KAAN's engine. Since TF-6000 was supposed to be an engine that demonstrates turbofan capabilities of Turkish nation. Which as big a deal as KAAN itself IMHO.

Although the testing campaign accumulated over a hundred hours of engine operation time, the engine is yet to be tested at maxed-out conditions. There will be new iterative TF-6000 prototypes but there won't be as many as TS-1400. It seems that 6000lbf will be achieved without forcing the engine a lot. The engine might hit 6500+lbf with optimizations. There are no major problems till now except the known problem of auxiliary systems.

 

[Fatman17]

Crowning Achievement? Kaan and the Turkish Defense Industry https://warontherocks.com/2024/05/c...-and-turkeys-defense-industrial-achievements/

More accolades for Turkey

 

[DBdev]

Crowning Achievement? Kaan and the Turkish Defense Industry https://warontherocks.com/2024/05/c...-and-turkeys-defense-industrial-achievements/

More allocades for Turkey

Bunch of blah, blah. You won't learn anything useful or new by reading about Turkish defense industry from these lame passive-aggressive foreign website articles. Twitter and this site are all you need.

 

[boredaf]

Crowning Achievement? Kaan and the Turkish Defense Industry https://warontherocks.com/2024/05/c...-and-turkeys-defense-industrial-achievements/

More allocades for Turkey

Did you read the article before sharing? The entire article is loaded against us.

"However, the resulting hype around Kaan is not entirely justified. Turkey relied heavily on foreign support to develop Kaan, undercutting government claims that it is a triumph of indigenous design and raising questions about its ability to progress beyond a prototype."

"This path in practice requires a level of political alignment with either the United States and NATO or, arguably, other defense-industrial powers such as Russia and China, to which Turkey has not yet been willing to commit."

"Whether or not Turkey’s successful, albeit short and operationally limited, test flight of Kaan will pull through into a militarily and commercially successful fifth-generation aircraft franchise remains to be seen. And to an extent, it still relies on the goodwill of external partners such as the United States. "

Not to mention, referring to the terrorists with a more favourable name that'll make it sound like we are attacking a legitimate organisation to their target audience which has no idea about who they are:

"Turkey focused on drones deemed critical to Ankara’s fight against the Kurdistan Workers’ Party and put at risk as relations with Israel deteriorated."

I swear we need media literacy courses on this forum, this isn't even the 10th article like this that praises Turkey on the surface in certain ways while loading up the entire thing against us with the way it is written.

 

[Huelague]

I talked about macro and micro calculations on earlier post. Based on macro calculation. Only 3 components are from abroad. On micro calculation. What about micro-chips? Where are they come from?

 

[Yasar_TR]

This is TFX Kaan thread.
Stay on topic please.
Posts containing off topic comments and discussion points that are overtures to derailing the thread are deleted.
Insistence will attract bans.

 

[godel44]

When such Western publications talk about “heavy foreign contribution,” they refer to consultation with BAE Systems or the F110 engine, the former of which was small and the latter being replaced. There is a dependency on the control stick, too but it probably doesn’t give the same assurance that everything is under West’s control.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

This is starting to get really ridiculous!

 

[Fatman17]

TAI exec claims 20 Turkish KAAN fighters to be delivered in 2028 https://breakingdefense.com/2024/05...urkish-kaan-fighters-to-be-delivered-in-2028/
Wow. That's 4 years down the road

 

[uçuyorum]

TAI exec claims 20 Turkish KAAN fighters to be delivered in 2028 https://breakingdefense.com/2024/05...urkish-kaan-fighters-to-be-delivered-in-2028/
Wow. That's 4 years down the road

I mean if f110 engines are delivered, I'm sure they can make 20 kind of prototype planes of varying capabilities.

 

[Quasar]

- secrecy on some projects is a nice thing for a change I guess nobody has any obligation to publicly carry out any project including TF35000 or any obligation to share any details or publicly announce any contact...
-TR motor was establised at 20 April 2017
- Just as an example we even happen to know about TF 6000 for the first time with a patent application

 

[Baryshx]

TAI exec claims 20 Turkish KAAN fighters to be delivered in 2028 https://breakingdefense.com/2024/05...urkish-kaan-fighters-to-be-delivered-in-2028/
Wow. That's 4 years down the road

I can give you a date. It will be before 7 May 2028. Because there is a general election on this date. After the election, the actual delivery dates will be announced. I think 2031-2032 with F110 and 2035 with TF35K.

 

[duveil]

I can give you a date. It will be before 7 May 2028. Because there is a general election on this date. After the election, the actual delivery dates will be announced. I think 2031-2032 with F110 and 2035 with TF35K.

That make sense actually. And also it would be a big achievement. I dont know why people are so crazy about flying with TF35K engine in 2028 and why they feel like if we cant finish before 2029 it would be a failure.

 

[Baryshx]

That make sense actually. And also it would be a big achievement. I dont know why people are so crazy about flying with TF35K engine in 2028 and why they feel like if we cant finish before 2029 it would be a failure.

I think these dates are very good and a great success.

Leaving aside the clowns and political lickspittles, those in charge of the engineering of this work have already said that we need at least 10 years. (Prof. Dr. Mahmut Akşit)

Of course, if Rolls-Royce is involved, that's a lot less time.

 

[DBdev]

I think these dates are very good and a great success.

Leaving aside the clowns and political lickspittles, those in charge of the engineering of this work have already said that we need at least 10 years. (Prof. Dr. Mahmut Akşit)

Of course, if Rolls-Royce is involved, that's a lot less time.

KAAN engine studies started even before 2017. That is more than 11 years. If TF-6000 is a success as @TheInsider says. There is no practical reason for the TF-35000 or something around that thrust not being operational by 2028. In wartimes new engines are produced much faster, as in WW2, not 11+ years. And Greeks can declare 12 mile (19.31 km) territorial waters at any second. That is automatic war. If they declare it after getting their F-35s. We will be doomed. If you don't even know the chess pieces at play, stop insulting state and TAF officials that know.

 

[duveil]

There is no practical reason for the TF-35000 or something around that thrust not being operational by 2028.

I am dont have a technical background for explaining the step by step proccess of testing the engine and the time it takes but with a quick research I can tell that we need 2 to 3 years just for testing（if we had any problems it can take longer）. Now I dont have any knowledge of current status of TF-35000 .I just assume that we havent even started producing it. So 2035 would be a good achievement. And that is the practical reason I see as a problem not finishing engine in 2028. I just read this before posting. I may be wrong I dont know. https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/o.../how-to-test-a-jet-engine-power-of-trent.aspx